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ROYC75
05-05-2013, 06:03 PM
Bengahzi, we all knew it was a cover up, millions of Americans was blind and deaf, yet still voted for a POTUS and staff that lied and covered it up.

Do you feel better about the POTUS now since this happened? ( as in your own twisted political view , you feel he was the right choice as POTUS )

Same, as in who cares?

Worst ?

So where do you stand about the current staff and the way Bengahzi was handled now ?

Fairplay
05-05-2013, 06:06 PM
Impeachment proceedings and Hillary's political career is through.

chiefzilla1501
05-05-2013, 06:08 PM
Who lied? How about everybody involved?
Who turned a blind eye? How about virtually every media channel
Who had deaf ears? Everybody, but that's what happens when nobody with power to do hard investigation was putting pressure on the administration to explain themselves

It says a lot when one Presidential candidate's tax situation is scrutinized ad nauseum, while a significant international event gets glossed over.

stonedstooge
05-05-2013, 06:12 PM
CBS had it as lead story on Face The Nation this morning and the leading story on their Sunday Night News. I guess people still care

rockymtnchief
05-05-2013, 06:13 PM
This happened a long time ago. :banghead:

HonestChieffan
05-05-2013, 06:31 PM
CBS had it as lead story on Face The Nation this morning and the leading story on their Sunday Night News. I guess people still care

what did they say about it

stonedstooge
05-05-2013, 06:35 PM
what did they say about it

Dude testifying on Wednesday seems to be legit. Bob Schaffer this morning was asking Issa about his upcoming testimony. Schaffer asked good questions. It wasn't presented with any political spin which was nice for a change

Fairplay
05-05-2013, 07:06 PM
Dude testifying on Wednesday seems to be legit. Bob Schaffer this morning was asking Issa about his upcoming testimony. Schaffer asked good questions. It wasn't presented with any political spin which was nice for a change



I like Schaffer for the most part as a reporter and news anchor.

LiveSteam
05-05-2013, 09:33 PM
This says it all

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/C7T7Y866kf4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

HonestChieffan
05-06-2013, 08:25 AM
Pressure to suppress the whistle blowers and lawyers will be huge if this has any truth

LiveSteam
05-06-2013, 08:36 AM
Pressure to suppress the whistle blowers and lawyers will be huge if this has any truth

I believe it does. This scandle is what Obama was referring to yesterday at OSU

HonestChieffan
05-06-2013, 08:40 AM
I believe it does. This scandle is what Obama was referring to yesterday at OSU


what did he say at OSU?

LiveSteam
05-06-2013, 08:45 AM
what did he say at OSU?

post # 9

Full vid.

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philfree
05-06-2013, 08:47 AM
I heard the mother of one of Seals on the radio last week and she wasn't happy with the way the administration has treated her after they ignored her sons call for help. With the bodies in the coffins Obama and Clinton stood in the hanger and lied to the families of the fallen using the damned movie as the reason for the violence. Bald faced lied to them all and then when they were done as they approached the gathering of people there Obama put his arm around Clinton and patted her back like he was consoling her. Why would he need to do that? Oh yeah because he just made Clinton lie. These are hideous people.

Chief Henry
05-06-2013, 08:48 AM
This says it all

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/C7T7Y866kf4" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>



He is still campaigning - no leadership at all.

HonestChieffan
05-06-2013, 09:10 AM
He is still campaigning - no leadership at all.


If there is a real issue and if it begins to unravel, there is not real leadership role other than to insulate and make sure someone takes the fall. Obama cannot do a thing at this point to change what will be learned. If anything is actually learned. Gonna have to be a major bombshell to crack the media suppression.

mlyonsd
05-06-2013, 10:45 AM
I have a feeling Hilllary is about to get pushed out the back of a party bus.

HonestChieffan
05-06-2013, 11:00 AM
I have a feeling Hilllary is about to get pushed out the back of a party bus.


they have had time to cover all the tracks

cockeyes
05-06-2013, 11:22 AM
Impeachment proceedings and Hillary's political career is through.

Nah. Hillary will be the next President.

The changing demographics in the electorate have made Democrats invulnerable to political consequences except on a select few issues like the 2nd amendment (for now)

suzzer99
05-06-2013, 11:41 AM
For the presidency maybe. The house will be republican for a long time due to redistricting. Senate is probably a toss up.

Also as Rany pointed out (http://www.ranyontheroyals.com/2012/11/the-gop-and-me.html), if Muslims still voted as they did in 2000, Romney would be president. Republicans have swung so far right they've alienated groups they typically did ok with like Latinos and Muslims. That's not changing demographics, that's changing message and actions of the republican party. Once you whittle your party down to angry white guys and their wives, you've painted yourself into a corner.

stonedstooge
05-06-2013, 12:17 PM
If the heat comes down on Hillary, which it looks like it could, will she throw herself on the sword for The Blameless One? Should be good

Comrade Crapski
05-06-2013, 01:53 PM
Barry is a scumbag. Anybody still defending this POS at this point is also a scumbag. Period.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/us-military-tripoli-ordered-not-go-benghazi_720894.html

RedNeckRaider
05-06-2013, 03:11 PM
Barry is a scumbag. Anybody still defending this POS at this point is also a scumbag. Period.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/us-military-tripoli-ordered-not-go-benghazi_720894.html

Pretty much~

FishingRod
05-06-2013, 03:15 PM
Barry is a scumbag. Anybody still defending this POS at this point is also a scumbag. Period.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/blogs/us-military-tripoli-ordered-not-go-benghazi_720894.html

“In the hours that followed, Hicks says, the Libyan military agreed to fly a C-130 from Tripoli to Benghazi in the early morning hours of September 12 – a flight that was to include a second team of Special Operations soldiers –“

Was there a “first team” of special operations soldiers some place?

Trolly McTrollson
05-06-2013, 06:51 PM
Do we even need an embassy in Libya? I mean come on, it's Libya. It's not even a real country.

BucEyedPea
05-06-2013, 06:56 PM
Benghazi whistleblowers report threats from Obama Administration officials

http://www.humanevents.com/2013/04/30/benghazi-whistleblowers-report-threats-from-obama-administration-officials/

RedNeckRaider
05-06-2013, 07:58 PM
Where are all the Barry fuckhead fans? This was bullshit from jump and the sorry ass Barry fans blew it off. Well I guess being a lying sack of shit finally caught up to the worthless shitbag~

Fairplay
05-06-2013, 09:16 PM
How can they defend Hillary and Barrack Hussein Obama. Obama will tell Hillary
shes getting thrown under the bus then I hope she says f--k you and tells all
about about what really happened the night of the Bengazi situation.

Obama lied people died.

LiveSteam
05-06-2013, 10:43 PM
This cant end well
But then again I never thought anyone would buy the Youtube story. I was very wrong

Bwana
05-06-2013, 10:59 PM
Where are all the Barry ****head fans? This was bullshit from jump and the sorry ass Barry fans blew it off. Well I guess being a lying sack of shit finally caught up to the worthless shitbag~

:shrug:

http://epguides.com/UnsolvedMysteries/cast.jpg

ThadEugenia
05-06-2013, 11:11 PM
Obama's reckoning is coming - this'll be his NAFTA.

cockeyes
05-07-2013, 07:04 AM
Obama's reckoning is coming - this'll be his NAFTA.

What does it mean for someone to have a NAFTA?

stonedstooge
05-07-2013, 09:09 AM
Will Democrats break rank if shit hits the fan?

HonestChieffan
05-07-2013, 09:13 AM
Will Democrats break rank if shit hits the fan?


So far no one seems to give one good damn. Media have remained pretty much out of this and if that continues its a zero issue

Brock
05-07-2013, 09:51 AM
What does it mean for someone to have a NAFTA?

People wish you could have a third term.

Comrade Crapski
05-07-2013, 09:52 AM
Hillary's political career is through.

Not at all. The same scumbags who voted for Barry will vote for this POS. And the Vichy Regime will wheel out some RINO turd who will kiss every mexicans smelly ass trying to get their votes but they know who butters the taco.

BucEyedPea
05-07-2013, 10:58 AM
So far no one seems to give one good damn. Media have remained pretty much out of this and if that continues its a zero issue

That's 'cause the media is made up of globalist elites/NeoCons and they need to protect their racket as the gatekeepers.

jjjayb
05-07-2013, 12:49 PM
That's not changing demographics, that's changing message and actions of the republican party. Once you whittle your party down to angry white guys and their wives, you've painted yourself into a corner.

About as big a load of horseshit I've heard in a while.

stonedstooge
05-07-2013, 12:52 PM
So the Democrats going to attack the credibility of the 3 witnesses?

Cannibal
05-07-2013, 12:54 PM
Vast majority of people don't give a flying fuck about this issue.

Hell, don't forget Romney even tried to capitalize on it and failed. I know many of you 'wingers are obsessed with this and they still talk about it on Fox to try and keep you riled up about it, but most voters realize that many of the people in that region are nuts and thus, don't really care about this. I know that frustrates you 'wingers, but that's just the way it is.

LOCOChief
05-07-2013, 12:56 PM
This should frustrate every American, not just "wingers"

crossbow
05-07-2013, 01:05 PM
But but, Obama said it was "offensive" when Romney mentioned it during the debate. Doesn't that prove that he was unaware of the situation? I mean it couldn't be any clearer that it was all an "Iintellegence" failure otherwise Susan Rice would NEVER have gone on all of those Sunday talk shows with the Youtube explanation if it wasn't true.

Would he? Would she? Would they?

Lets just ignore this and trust our government/press (they are joined at the hip at this point)

Fairplay
05-07-2013, 01:21 PM
Benghazi happened a long time ago/ Jay Carney

Fairplay
05-07-2013, 01:24 PM
But but, Obama said it was "offensive" when Romney mentioned it during the debate. Doesn't that prove that he was unaware of the situation? I mean it couldn't be any clearer that it was all an "Iintellegence" failure otherwise Susan Rice would NEVER have gone on all of those Sunday talk shows with the Youtube explanation if it wasn't true.

Would he? Would she? Would they?



Would he? YES Would she? YES Would they? and Yes

stonedstooge
05-07-2013, 01:25 PM
I don't think Liberals give a shit if their leader is an outright liar and let 4 people die to try and gain political points. Just astounding

mlyonsd
05-07-2013, 01:54 PM
If true, this makes Nixon look like Mary Poppins.

Chief Faithful
05-07-2013, 02:05 PM
If the heat comes down on Hillary, which it looks like it could, will she throw herself on the sword for The Blameless One? Should be good

I doubt the media will even engage much less hold anyone responsible.

Comrade Crapski
05-07-2013, 02:10 PM
Vast majority of people don't give a flying **** about this issue.

No shit, Sherlock. That's why the country has gone down a toilet.

jjjayb
05-07-2013, 02:14 PM
Vast majority of people don't give a flying **** about this issue.



Because the vast majority of our News & media have told them not to. Our media is incredibly powerful. If this was a Bush era issue, it would be huge. It would actually be reported for what it is, not swept under the rug.

Comrade Crapski
05-07-2013, 02:19 PM
Because the vast majority of our News & media have told them not to. Our media is incredibly powerful. If this was a Bush era issue, it would be huge. It would actually be reported for what it is, not swept under the rug.

Don't even waste your time trying to explain this to an idiot like that.

stonedstooge
05-07-2013, 02:38 PM
I doubt the media will even engage much less hold anyone responsible.
CBS had this as their main story on Sunday. Guess we shall see, but I'm not sure they can ignore it.

cosmo20002
05-07-2013, 02:43 PM
I don't think Liberals give a shit if their leader is an outright liar and let 4 people die to try and gain political points. Just astounding

How would "letting" 4 people die score political points?

LiveSteam
05-07-2013, 02:53 PM
Cover up is about more Gun running.

fan4ever
05-07-2013, 03:27 PM
Vast majority of people don't give a flying **** about this issue.

So that makes this a non-issue? Unimportant to you?

There was a time when a vast majority of people didn't care about civil rights. Only when it became a majority, that's when it gave the cause validity?

Cannibal
05-07-2013, 04:45 PM
We know you're tying to keep Bengazi alive for when Hillary runs, but guess what, no one is going to give a **** about it then either. A bunch of people in the middle east are insane... get it? They went nuts and blew up a ****in embassy. Same shit different day!

Trying to pin it on anyone in particular is getting you nowhere and will continue to get you nowhere.

You're just angry, bitter, paranoid, aholes and trying to find another issue to bitch about, like usual of course.

LiveSteam
05-07-2013, 04:52 PM
We know you're tying to keep Bengazi alive for when Hillary runs, but guess what, no one is going to give a **** about it then either. A bunch of people in the middle east are insane... get it? They went nuts and blew up a ****in embassy. Same shit different day!

Trying to pin it on anyone in particular is getting you nowhere and will continue to get you nowhere.

You're just angry, bitter, paranoid, aholes and trying to find another issue to bitch about, like usual of course.

http://jerrycentral.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/0709_glenn-beck1.jpg?w=500

cosmo20002
05-07-2013, 04:52 PM
I don't think Liberals give a shit if their leader is an outright liar and let 4 people die to try and gain political points. Just astounding

How would "letting" 4 people die score political points?

Anyone?

Cannibal
05-07-2013, 05:36 PM
http://jerrycentral.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/0709_glenn-beck1.jpg?w=500

Your hero, congrats, dummy. LMAO

stonedstooge
05-07-2013, 05:43 PM
Anyone?

Watch the testimony tomorrow. Perhaps everyone will get a better understanding

RedNeckRaider
05-07-2013, 05:52 PM
Anyone?

Lying about it before the election served him well~

RedNeckRaider
05-07-2013, 05:54 PM
We know you're tying to keep Bengazi alive for when Hillary runs, but guess what, no one is going to give a **** about it then either. A bunch of people in the middle east are insane... get it? They went nuts and blew up a ****in embassy. Same shit different day!

Trying to pin it on anyone in particular is getting you nowhere and will continue to get you nowhere.

You're just angry, bitter, paranoid, aholes and trying to find another issue to bitch about, like usual of course.

You could not be more full of shit with this post if you tried~

cosmo20002
05-07-2013, 05:55 PM
Lying about it before the election served him well~

Stooge said he let 4 people die to score political points.
The question is - How would that score political points?

jjjayb
05-07-2013, 06:42 PM
Stooge said he let 4 people die to score political points.
The question is - How would that score political points?

You're hopeless. The only way you'll see it is if CNN or Huff-poo tells you to.

cosmo20002
05-07-2013, 06:47 PM
You're hopeless. The only way you'll see it is if CNN or Huff-poo tells you to.

Ok, well, I'm asking--several times, actually--and no one has even tried to answer. How would Obama "letting" 4 people die score any political points?

fan4ever
05-07-2013, 06:59 PM
We know you're tying to keep Bengazi alive for when Hillary runs, but guess what, no one is going to give a **** about it then either. A bunch of people in the middle east are insane... get it? They went nuts and blew up a ****in embassy. Same shit different day!

Trying to pin it on anyone in particular is getting you nowhere and will continue to get you nowhere.

You're just angry, bitter, paranoid, aholes and trying to find another issue to bitch about, like usual of course.

LMAO Same shit different day? From what I understand, it been over 30 years since the last time a US ambassador was killed. Actually we're trying to hold people who screw up and conceivably cost the lives of others accountable...something I guess liberals don't care about, especially before an election. This should be a disgrace by anyone's standards, even yours.

fan4ever
05-07-2013, 07:01 PM
Ok, well, I'm asking--several times, actually--and no one has even tried to answer. How would Obama "letting" 4 people die score any political points?

The term "political points" wasn't appropriate; "damage control" would be more on the money IMO.

fan4ever
05-07-2013, 07:02 PM
You could not be more full of shit with this post if you tried~

...and he didn't even address my question...I'm hurt.

Cannibal
05-07-2013, 07:11 PM
"Bin Laden determined to strike inside the United States"

RedNeckRaider
05-07-2013, 07:25 PM
Stooge said he let 4 people die to score political points.
The question is - How would that score political points?

Fair question although a clear avoidance of the issue of how shamefully this was handled~

cosmo20002
05-07-2013, 07:26 PM
The term "political points" wasn't appropriate; "damage control" would be more on the money IMO.

Quite a big difference.

mlyonsd
05-07-2013, 07:34 PM
Quite a big difference.Sure, in the same sense Nixon was guilty of damage control.

fan4ever
05-07-2013, 07:44 PM
"Bin Laden determined to strike inside the United States"

???

Educate me; I have trouble following the liberal mind.

fan4ever
05-07-2013, 07:46 PM
Quite a big difference.

Not really; really boils down to trying to maintain political advantage.

Cannibal
05-07-2013, 07:48 PM
???

Educate me; I have trouble following the liberal mind.

That was the warning Bush received prior to 9/11. I assume you were this out of your mind at that time?

cosmo20002
05-07-2013, 07:53 PM
Not really; really boils down to trying to maintain political advantage.

"Letting them die to score political points" makes it sound like a purposeful decision that he thought would be to his benefit.

You think he wanted them to die or merely that he said things afterward to deflect criticism?

cosmo20002
05-07-2013, 07:56 PM
Sure, in the same sense Nixon was guilty of damage control.

Well, Nixon was guilty of damage control of something he was aware of beforehand. You're saying Benghazi was something Obama had a hand in planning or that he knew about it beforehand?

fan4ever
05-07-2013, 07:56 PM
That was the warning Bush received prior to 9/11. I assume you were this out of your mind at that time?

Really poor comparison.

No one blames Hillary or her staff for the attack on the embassy.
It was the lack of action during and the lying about it afterwards, even about the cause of the attack.

Now if Bush had done something like not scrambled F-16's in order to avoid any other planes going into buildings and responded with "What difference would it have made; the damage was already done" I'm sure you'd have cut him the same slack, right?

fan4ever
05-07-2013, 07:59 PM
You think he wanted them to die or merely that he said things afterward to deflect criticism?

No, of course not; sounds like he really had no interest in being involved.

Cannibal
05-07-2013, 08:13 PM
Really poor comparison.

No one blames Hillary or her staff for the attack on the embassy.
It was the lack of action during and the lying about it afterwards, even about the cause of the attack.

Now if Bush had done something like not scrambled F-16's in order to avoid any other planes going into buildings and responded with "What difference would it have made; the damage was already done" I'm sure you'd have cut him the same slack, right?

This proves my point in that you're really in a minority and this actually insignificant, politically speaking. Yeah, a few loud wingers are in a froth about it, everyone else knows a bunch of crazy Muslims attacked an embassy. Romney tried to make political hay with it and the voters didn't care, Hillary's opponent will try again in 2016 and it will fail again. It is simply not the big deal you nutters have tried to make it out to be.

Cannibal
05-07-2013, 08:14 PM
Most people have moved on, I guess you could say.

RedNeckRaider
05-07-2013, 08:24 PM
This proves my point in that you're really in a minority and this actually insignificant, politically speaking. Yeah, a few loud wingers are in a froth about it, everyone else knows a bunch of crazy Muslims attacked an embassy. Romney tried to make political hay with it and the voters didn't care, Hillary's opponent will try again in 2016 and it will fail again. It is simply not the big deal you nutters have tried to make it out to be.

And everyone knows that it was grossly mishandled and only "left wingers" are trying to dismiss it. Mishandled flat out lying to cover it up. This deal sucks flat out. If this was Bush you would be going batshit crazy. I am not a left or right winger~

LiveSteam
05-07-2013, 08:29 PM
Youtube guy is still in jail as far as I know on trumped up charges.

Cannibal
05-07-2013, 08:30 PM
And everyone knows that it was grossly mishandled and only "left wingers" are trying to dismiss it. Mishandled flat out lying to cover it up. This deal sucks flat out. If this was Bush you would be going batshit crazy. I am not a left or right winger~

I don't necessarily think it was handled well, but the rest of country has moved on.

RedNeckRaider
05-07-2013, 08:44 PM
I don't necessarily think it was handled well, but the rest of country has moved on.

That has to be one of the biggest understatments of alltime. If you are correct that most of the country has move on from a disgraceful moment like this. One where nobody has been held accountable and our government knowingly lied to cover it up it is very sad~

mlyonsd
05-07-2013, 08:45 PM
Well, Nixon was guilty of damage control of something he was aware of beforehand. You're saying Benghazi was something Obama had a hand in planning or that he knew about it beforehand?Your accusation Nixon knew beforehand is your opinion, not fact.

And it has nothing to do with the reason he resigned, which was being involved with covering it up.

In Nixon's case it was covering up a political break in for political gain.

If this case is true, it's Hillary and Obama were covering up:

Failed attention to repeated requests from their own Ambassador for more security.
Failed response to an attack on our embassy which results in 4 Americans killed.
Purposely hiding the fact our own agencies recognized the attack as terrorism by changing the message because a presidential election was 7 weeks away.

It will be interesting to see what comes out in testimony tomorrow and how the administration responds.

HonestChieffan
05-07-2013, 09:18 PM
Should be interesting tomorrow. Actually nothing will happen to blow this open until a committee asks for Hillary to come back. And they go higher up the chain on the executive side getting closer to Obama. Then shit will hit the fan. Only when the media starts the everyday reporting like they did in Watergate will this grow to something substantial. Even then...one wonders if the left gives a damn. It wont change the rights opinion on Obama. All it could do is kill Hillarys opportunity to be elected and leave a small stain on Obama. Obamas hard core base has no interest in how dirty he is or how dirty his people are.

dirk digler
05-07-2013, 10:04 PM
Vast majority of people don't give a flying fuck about this issue.

Hell, don't forget Romney even tried to capitalize on it and failed. I know many of you 'wingers are obsessed with this and they still talk about it on Fox to try and keep you riled up about it, but most voters realize that many of the people in that region are nuts and thus, don't really care about this. I know that frustrates you 'wingers, but that's just the way it is.

I agree. And I will tell you why this whole thing doesn't reasonate with me and 95% of the public. It is because while it is sad and tragic that these 4 Americans lost their life but they lost their life in a war zone and people realize in war there is going to be causalities. Heck we kill innocent civilians every day. Their lives are no more important than the US soldiers that die every in combat all over the world.

I will add that people would care if Obama\Hillary were the ones that pulled the trigger but since they had really very little to do with this then people just aren't seeing what the big deal is. Especially since there is 2 people murdered every hour on every day in this country.

Xanathol
05-08-2013, 12:25 AM
I agree. And I will tell you why this whole thing doesn't reasonate with me and 95% of the public. It is because while it is sad and tragic that these 4 Americans lost their life but they lost their life in a war zone and people realize in war there is going to be causalities. Heck we kill innocent civilians every day. Their lives are no more important than the US soldiers that die every in combat all over the world.

I will add that people would care if Obama\Hillary were the ones that pulled the trigger but since they had really very little to do with this then people just aren't seeing what the big deal is. Especially since there is 2 people murdered every hour on every day in this country.People care - you just don't hear about it because the left media won't report that. The thought process is that they can make people believe that no one cares and therefore stop caring as well.

As far as Obama and Hilliary's involvement, that statement is just asinine. If you walk up on someone being beaten and are the only one around with a cell phone and the person is begging you for help, yet you don't so much as call the cops, I sure as hell would put some accountability on you. Heck, I do believe New York even proposed laws at one time against this exact behavior.

WhiteWhale
05-08-2013, 07:11 AM
We know you're tying to keep Bengazi alive for when Hillary runs, but guess what, no one is going to give a **** about it then either. A bunch of people in the middle east are insane... get it? They went nuts and blew up a ****in embassy. Same shit different day!

Trying to pin it on anyone in particular is getting you nowhere and will continue to get you nowhere.

You're just angry, bitter, paranoid, aholes and trying to find another issue to bitch about, like usual of course.

Same shit different day?

So our Ambassadors are murdered every day?

Well, I had no idea. Thanks for this history lesson.

No big deal.

stonedstooge
05-08-2013, 08:09 AM
Most people have moved on, I guess you could say.

Like the left moved on from Bush?

philfree
05-08-2013, 08:21 AM
I don't necessarily think it was handled well, but the rest of country has moved on.

I'd still like answers. People were ignored and left to be murdered. Then it was covered up blaming a shitty little video. Heck Obama and Hilary either one didn't have a problem jerking this guy out of his home for it either. He's locked up now too. I don't know how any of this could be considered alright by anyone.

patteeu
05-08-2013, 08:23 AM
Vast majority of people don't give a flying **** about this issue.

Hell, don't forget Romney even tried to capitalize on it and failed. I know many of you 'wingers are obsessed with this and they still talk about it on Fox to try and keep you riled up about it, but most voters realize that many of the people in that region are nuts and thus, don't really care about this. I know that frustrates you 'wingers, but that's just the way it is.

Candy Crowley and the rest of Obama's Praetorian guard media were still protecting him at that point. There are signs of cracks in that defense.

Saccopoo
05-08-2013, 08:33 AM
I don't think Liberals give a shit if their leader is an outright liar and let 4 people die to try and gain political points. Just astounding

http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Corporal_Patrick_Tillman.jpg

patteeu
05-08-2013, 08:39 AM
Ok, well, I'm asking--several times, actually--and no one has even tried to answer. How would Obama "letting" 4 people die score any political points?

By letting them die, the Obama administration avoided a much larger firefight with boots on the ground and lots of "civilian" deaths. The idea that terrorism was alive and well and filling the void that we left in Libya with our lead from behind approach would be unmistakable. That doesn't mean that they intended for these guys to die or that they killed them. It just means that their political considerations trumped saving them.

patteeu
05-08-2013, 08:40 AM
http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Corporal_Patrick_Tillman.jpg

I'm missing the point. The Tillman situation was handled at a much lower level.

patteeu
05-08-2013, 08:44 AM
I'm going with "both". Here are some good questions that should be pursued.

Is Benghazi Becoming a Watergate, or Iran-Contra, or Both? (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/347555/benghazi-becoming-watergate-or-iran-contra-or-both)
By Victor Davis Hanson
May 6, 2013 6:05 PM

Benghazi cannot be dismissed with “long ago” or “what difference does it make” exasperation, given it may have the cover-up and civil-liberties aspects of Watergate and the weapon-transfers and foreign-policy implications of Iran-Contra.

1. Can a State Department be credible that on its own accord seeks to alter intelligence synopses, and deny facts to maintain a pre-election narrative? For all the criticism of the State Department under most Republican presidents, at least the tension between State and the administration kept State honest and independent. But Benghazi shows that State has now almost descended into an arm of the 2012 reelection effort, in the manner of the media itself, as we saw in Candy Crowley’s exasperation over the Benghazi dispute in the third presidential debate. In Watergate, intelligence and law-enforcement officials were pressured to change their assessments to reflect pseudo-national security concerns; but in this case, the State Department and/or administration officials themselves willingly refashioned them as the political situation apparently demanded.

2. Civil libertarians should be concerned about the free-speech/due process implications in the fate of the otherwise petty criminal Mr. Nakoula, who was summarily jailed — coincidently right after the president had referred to his video at the U.N. with, “The future must not be determined by those who insult the prophet of Islam.” But so far there is no evidence that Mr. Nakoula’s amateurish YouTube trailer had anything to do with the violence in Benghazi. Instead his crime seems to have been offering an ideal scapegoat for a pre-election narrative of a right-wing, bigoted Islamophobe, whose extremism prompted an understandable pushback against innocent Americans abroad, and who could make amends to the Muslim world by going back to jail, while offering a rhetorical occasion for the president of the United States to remind the Muslim world that we all suffer from the excesses of common enemies such as intolerant reactionaries like Nakoula.

3. Usually an administration errs on the side of caution in cases of potential violence at embassies and consulates. But did the pre-November narrative of a moribund al-Qaeda in the aftermath of the bin Laden raid, and a Libyan spring blooming after the “lead from behind” American-aided removal of Qaddafi, trump on-the-ground worries about the safety of our diplomats? In other words, both before and during the attacks, did the State Department and/or the administration decide that the dangers to our diplomats were outweighed by greater fears of a possible embarrassing Mogadishu-like shoot-out? Were military recommendations ignored, or massaged before being voiced?

4. What exactly were we doing in Benghazi, with both a consulate and a CIA compound, and what if any were the connections between the late ambassador, Libyan weapons, Syria, arming rebels, Turkey, etc.? And who exactly were the terrorists working for, or what exactly were they trying to achieve?

5. Why did not Secretary Clinton or President Obama simply come out and say that they misread the requests from Libya and should have beefed up security, and that al-Qaeda remains a deadly foe that tries to attack us and our Libyan allies? Had they just been honest, the public would probably have forgiven their laxity. The subsequent resignations of the secretaries of state and defense, and the director of the CIA will make reconstruction of events much more difficult.

stonedstooge
05-08-2013, 08:44 AM
http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Corporal_Patrick_Tillman.jpg

What election was going on at that time?

dirk digler
05-08-2013, 08:46 AM
By letting them die, the Obama administration avoided a much larger firefight with boots on the ground and lots of "civilian" deaths. The idea that terrorism was alive and well and filling the void that we left in Libya with our lead from behind approach would be unmistakable. That doesn't mean that they intended for these guys to die or that they killed them. It just means that their political considerations trumped saving them.

JFC they didn't let anybody die and to suggest that is just as retarded as people thinking Bush let 3000 Americans die on 9/11. Quit being stupid.

stevieray
05-08-2013, 08:50 AM
We know you're tying to keep Bengazi alive for when Hillary runs, but guess what, no one is going to give a **** about it then either. A bunch of people in the middle east are insane... get it? They went nuts and blew up a ****in embassy. Same shit different day!

Trying to pin it on anyone in particular is getting you nowhere and will continue to get you nowhere.

You're just angry, bitter, paranoid, aholes and trying to find another issue to bitch about, like usual of course.

oh blow it out your ass...for years you and others whined and cried EVERY ****ING DAY during the Iraq war.


and you''ll talk about sarah palin till the cows come home..but hey, four people died in libya? who doesn't care?...liberal hypocritical assholes.

..

dirk digler
05-08-2013, 08:52 AM
http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/?page=1


Benghazi (II): A military analysis of the Fox mystery man's fantasy rescue plan (http://ricks.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2013/05/02/benghazi_ii_a_military_analysis_of_the_fox_mystery_mans_fantasy_rescue_plan)

By Billy Birdzell
Best Defense guest columnist

On April 30, 2013, Fox News aired an interview (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/04/30/special-ops-benghazi-whistleblower-tells-fox-news-government-could-have/) with a supposed member of U.S. Special Operations Command who said that members of "C-110," who were training in Croatia on September 11, 2012, could have both arrived at the Benghazi consulate in 4-6 hours and arrived before the second attack on the annex during which Tyronne Woods and Glen Doherty were killed.

The mystery man critiques the Obama administration's decision-making, yet offers no information as to how C-110 would have influenced the battle in such a way that the outcome would have been different. Perhaps because it was actually impossible for C-110 to arrive before the attack, and if they did, they would not have been able to do anything that would have prevented our heroes, Woods and Doherty, from being killed.

"C-110" stands for Charlie Company, 1st Battalion, 10th Special Forces Group. It is a unique company within the 10th SF Group in that it is trained as a Commander's in-Extremis Force (CIF). Each of the five active duty SF Groups has a CIF and they respond to important threats within their geographic area which are below the threshold for, or availability of, elements from the Joint Special Operations Command (like the Delta Force). A CIF has approximately 40 operators.

According to the Pentagon timeline (http://www.cnn.com/2012/11/09/world/africa/libya-benghazi-timeline) posted by CNN, the enemy attack began at 2142 and all US personnel were out of the consulate by 2330. By 2330, Ambassador Christopher Stevens and the foreign service information officer, Sean Smith, were dead. President Obama was briefed at 2300 and SOF were approved to launch from Croatia (C-110) and the United States (Delta Force) at 0239 and 0253 respectively. At 0515, the attack began against the annex. Doherty and Woods were killed by mortar fire shortly thereafter.

Obama gave the launch order at 0239. The mystery operator said 4-6 hours. That's 0639-0839. Woods and Doherty died at 0515. An Air Force C-17 was evacuating personnel from the Benghazi airport at 0740. Mystery man and Fox News can't add. Strike one.

For argument's sake, assume Obama gave the launch order 10 minutes after he met with General Dempsey and Secretary Panetta at 2300. Four to six hours turns into 0310-0510. Six hours, however, would have been impossible.

If the Commander of European Command coordinated with his counterpart in Africa Command as soon as the National Command Center informed General Dempsey at 2230 and they diverted a C-17 to Croatia in anticipation, it is still highly unlikely the plane would have been on the ground in Croatia before midnight; it takes an hour to fly to Croatia from Germany and a crew would have had to have gotten ready, briefed, examined contingency plans, and fueled the plane. From Zaton Military Airport in Croatia, it is over 900 miles to Benghazi, which would have taken approximately two hours in a C-17 cargo plane. Zaton is on the coast and it more likely the CIF would have flown out of Udbina Airport, but this is a best case scenario.

Assuming the Air Force was willing to land a C-17 at the Benghazi airport with an unknown security situation, once on the ground, the 40-man CIF would have then had to have moved to the annex which was 30 km away. Moving such a far distance would have required vehicles. 40 operators can move in 8 HMMWVs, which can fit into one C-17. However, did they have the vehicles with them? Did they have everything on the training mission that they needed to go into combat? If not, it would have taken more time for someone to get everything ready. Maybe the man of mystery is creative and planned on renting cars from Avis (yes, Avis has a location (http://www.avis.com/car-rental/location/AFR/LY/Benghazi) at the Benghazi Airport) and using stealth to get to the consulate in a move akin to the French using taxis to get to the front in order to stop the Kaiser's hordes back in 1914. Mystery man is really a cook who has never been on a deployment. Strike two.

Even if one of them had Avis First and the cars were waiting on the runway, the timing would have been iffy. Parachuting would have been another option. There is a large, open field close to the U.S. consulate at the southwest intersection of Third Ring Road and Shan Al-Andulus Road that could have accommodated the CIF. However, one is defenseless while parachuting, so it is a good idea to insert a good distance from the action to ensure one is not shot before his boots hit the ground. The Benghazi Zoo is only 3 miles from the consulate and the combination of trees and animal cages would have provided good cover, as well as entertainment, in case someone saw 40 people parachuting into the middle of the city.

Assuming magical planes were waiting for the CIF and they were somehow able to physically get to the annex before 0515, mystery man failed to mention that Doherty and Woods were killed by mortar fire. Forty operators armed with rifles and light-machine guns can neither stop mortar rounds nor determine from where the mortar is being fired. The only thing the CIF would have done had they gotten to the annex before 0515 is created more targets and overcrowded the consulate.

Even if the CIF was on ready 5 (fully armed, sitting in the aircraft with pilots at the controls) in Sigonella (the closest European base to Benghazi) with advanced warning of an attack but unsure of the time, and they launched at 2232 on only-in-Hollywood orders from someone other than the president, they would not have been able to do anything about Stevens and Smith's deaths, nor stopped the mortar rounds. Strike three.

The person in the interview is a clown and I am incredibly disappointed in the news for not using Google.

Billy Birdzell served as a U.S. Marine Corps infantry officer and special operations team leader from 2001 to 2009

patteeu
05-08-2013, 09:05 AM
JFC they didn't let anybody die and to suggest that is just as retarded as people thinking Bush let 3000 Americans die on 9/11. Quit being stupid.

No wonder you don't think this is a big deal. Do you get all your news from Jay Carney?

LOCOChief
05-08-2013, 09:19 AM
JFC they didn't let anybody die and to suggest that is just as retarded as people thinking Bush let 3000 Americans die on 9/11. Quit being stupid.

They sure as hell did let them die. Support was requested long before the attack took place and those requests fell on deaf ears. The only way this is like 9/11 is that it took place 9/11 2012 and there should have been more security in place AS REQUESTED.

Do you honestly think US personnel in the region will accept the answer that "we didn't think we would make it there in time to help so we didn't even try"? That's just not the way it works.

Then to try to sell everyone that this was a spontaneous mob action resulting from a video. Shits going down today and anyone defending the “inaction” or failure to respond and the cover up are despicable.

Chief Faithful
05-08-2013, 09:40 AM
Can you imagine how this all looks to AL Queda? They attack the American Embassy and no help is sent. So, they attack again and sustain the attack until the Embassy is overrun. Then instead of defending against an expected military response the White House tells the world this was just a mob action in protest to some video nobody has seen made by a nobody in California. Then the White House goes after the nobody. Al Queda has to feel like the White House is working for them.

Fairplay
05-08-2013, 09:52 AM
This is going to be a long day.

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fan4ever
05-08-2013, 10:44 AM
This proves my point in that you're really in a minority and this actually insignificant, politically speaking. Yeah, a few loud wingers are in a froth about it, everyone else knows a bunch of crazy Muslims attacked an embassy. Romney tried to make political hay with it and the voters didn't care, Hillary's opponent will try again in 2016 and it will fail again. It is simply not the big deal you nutters have tried to make it out to be.

Proves your point? How does anything I've posted prove your point? You haven't proven anything except that you're a dyed in the wool liberal...who doesn't give this any priority because you don't want it to be important.

Until we ALL start holding our political leaders to some kind of standard, we're going to continue to end up with the same kind of pathetic leadership this country has been and will be suffering from for quite some time.

Conservatives on this board admit all the time that George Bush made mistakes and that he could have been a much better president. I have yet to see you or any other liberal on this board be as intellectually honest, especially about Obama...it's just "circle the wagons" as usual. People like you are the problem with this country whether you think you're in the "majority" or not. Try to stop spewing your nasty little remarks and think about things for a minute...you might have an epiphany.

Comrade Crapski
05-08-2013, 10:59 AM
Benghazi happened a long time ago/ Jay Carney

GW Bush's presidency happened a long time ago, but that doesn't stop the moonbats from talking about that 24/7.

Fairplay
05-08-2013, 11:06 AM
Mrs. Maloney a house rep looks miserable.

Comrade Crapski
05-08-2013, 11:07 AM
Why is Nakoula Basseley Nakoula still in prison?

thecoffeeguy
05-08-2013, 11:11 AM
GW Bush's presidency happened a long time ago, but that doesn't stop the moonbats from talking about that 24/7.

So true. :clap:

Fairplay
05-08-2013, 11:18 AM
Why is Nakoula Basseley Nakoula still in prison?



I would like that question asked to Eric Holder, but he would respond I don't know I will look into it.

LOCOChief
05-08-2013, 11:25 AM
I would like that question asked to Eric Holder, but he would respond I don't know I will look into it.

He'll probably cite the parole violation. The only reason anyone knows his name is bacause the State Dept made up this elaborate story.

You would think the libtards would be going nuts over this.

Comrade Crapski
05-08-2013, 11:28 AM
I would like that question asked to Eric Holder, but he would respond I don't know I will look into it.

Right.

That guy is still in jail but Faraj al-Shibli, the ringleader behind the murder of Ambassador Stevens and three other Americans is walking around scot-free.

I guess Barry didn't mean it when he told family members of the victims "I won't rest until the perpetrators are brought to justice".

Comrade Crapski
05-08-2013, 11:29 AM
He'll probably cite the parole violation. The only reason anyone knows his name is bacause the State Dept made up this elaborate story.

You would think the libtards would be going nuts over this.

This is why I call them scumbags. They are.

Fairplay
05-08-2013, 11:52 AM
I guess Barry didn't mean it when he told family members of the victims "I won't rest until the perpetrators are brought to justice".



Barry slept like a baby that night, grinning from ear to ear.

Chief Henry
05-08-2013, 11:57 AM
Obama and Hillary slept and lied while 4 people died.

I can just hear the chants from the liberal left with this one.....NOT !

stonedstooge
05-08-2013, 12:37 PM
Democrats don't want to know the truth. DEFLECT DEFLECT DEFLECT

petegz28
05-08-2013, 12:55 PM
I can see the Dems are doing their best to say dumb shit and pretend this all happened "a long time ago" to try and avoid stepping up to the plate and admitting some bad fuck ups took place

petegz28
05-08-2013, 01:05 PM
Look it, we all know what the deal is .....there was an election that Obama stood a good chance at losing, this could have helped make that happen.....

the Admin brushed it under the rug and played dumb...the Admin-friendly media went along lockstep with their Admin generated marching orders

Fairplay
05-08-2013, 01:35 PM
The most transparent administration since the beginning of man.

patteeu
05-08-2013, 01:36 PM
The most transparent administration since the beginning of man.

I wish it would disappear completely.

Loneiguana
05-08-2013, 04:07 PM
This is going to be a long day.

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What a great facepalm pic.

http://i.imgur.com/Yki6Dxj.gif

Loneiguana
05-08-2013, 04:09 PM
I didn't get to watch it today. Can anyone give me a rundown of what the scandal is now?

Are impeachment charges finally coming?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-OD2DcmotOPs/UFf5wRbmLZI/AAAAAAAAQ-A/bUmIrfxXkrI/s1600/romney-smirk-238x238.jpeg

stonedstooge
05-08-2013, 04:10 PM
I see O'Bama approved 100 million new dollars for Syria today. Doesn't that make this all better?

Dave Lane
05-08-2013, 04:21 PM
I would say who cares, but Americans died and that is sad. The real question is why the **** do the RWNJs care other than their hate of Obama?

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Diplomatic Security Service agents/Regional Security Officers informed their headquarters in Washington about the attack just as it was beginning at about 9:40 local time (3:40PM Eastern Time). By 4:30 Eastern, Pentagon officials informed Defense Secretary Leon Panetta about the attack. The Pentagon ordered an unmanned aerial vehicle that was in the air conducting surveillance on militant camps to fly over Benghazi. The drone arrived at 5:11 and began providing a video feed to Washington. At 5:41, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton telephoned CIA Director David Petraeus to coordinate. The CIA, which made up most of the US government's presence in Benghazi, had a ten-member security team at its annex and the State Department believed that this team would assist the consulate in the event of an attack.

What exactly do you think could of or should of been done that was so heinous?

Oh and 'Merica **** ya!

patteeu
05-08-2013, 05:36 PM
I would say who cares, but Americans died and that is sad. The real question is why the **** do the RWNJs care other than their hate of Obama?

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What exactly do you think could of or should of been done that was so heinous?

Oh and 'Merica **** ya!

One that could and should have been done is that the President and his top level flunkies shouldn't have lied about the attack on several occasions and tried to pin it on some hapless youtube movie maker.

blaise
05-08-2013, 05:40 PM
One that could and should have been done is that the President and his top level flunkies shouldn't have lied about the attack on several occasions and tried to pin it on some hapless youtube movie maker.

That's not true, because everything is transparent now.

LOCOChief
05-08-2013, 05:43 PM
I would say who cares, but Americans died and that is sad. The real question is why the **** do the RWNJs care other than their hate of Obama?
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What exactly do you think could of or should of been done that was so heinous?

Oh and 'Merica **** ya!

You think thats the "real question"? This is only a partisan issue because nuts like you treating it as such and not caring about the fact that you've been lied to.
I believe it when you say you don't care, I guess truth doesn't mean that much to you.

Xanathol
05-08-2013, 06:02 PM
I didn't get to watch it today. Can anyone give me a rundown of what the scandal is now?
1. A call for help was made, no help sent.
2. Those who could help were told to stand down - twice!
3. Obama didn't even ask about what was going on that night.
4. Hillary had her mouthpiece lie to say it was a spontaneous demonstration and not terrorist, even though they had verified confirmation the next day.
5. Obama and Hillary vowed to get the youtube guy for his video (screw his rights I guess).
6. Hillary actually states 'what does it matter?' I wonder if someone shot her they could use that defense...
7. Another dem says 'death is a part of life' trying to dismiss their inactions, actions, and coverup.
8. Another dem blames budget cuts, I kid you not...

I probably forgot some things.

fan4ever
05-08-2013, 06:08 PM
1. A call for help was made, no help sent.
2. Those who could help were told to stand down - twice!
3. Obama didn't even ask about what was going on that night.
4. Hillary had her mouthpiece lie to say it was a spontaneous demonstration and not terrorist, even though they had verified confirmation the next day.
5. Obama and Hillary vowed to get the youtube guy for his video (screw his rights I guess).
6. Hillary actually states 'what does it matter?' I wonder if someone shot her they could use that defense...
7. Another dem says 'death is a part of life' trying to dismiss their inactions, actions, and coverup.
8. Another dem blames budget cuts, I kid you not...

I probably forgot some things.

Those are all legit responses...to liberals...unless this was a Republican administration.

LiveSteam
05-08-2013, 06:13 PM
I would say who cares, but Americans died and that is sad. The real question is why the **** do the RWNJs care other than their hate of Obama?

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What exactly do you think could of or should of been done that was so heinous?

Oh and 'Merica **** ya!

Run along with your crusade against religion Dave
NOTHING TO SEE HERE
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/ajmNFLEserY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

LiveSteam
05-08-2013, 06:22 PM
8. Another dem blames budget cuts, I kid you not...

I probably forgot some things.

That would be the one & only Nancy Pelosi.

BucEyedPea
05-08-2013, 06:40 PM
http://i.imgur.com/Yki6Dxj.gif

A Hitlary Bobblehead would make mucho bucks!

cosmo20002
05-08-2013, 07:18 PM
Why is Nakoula Basseley Nakoula still in prison?

He'll probably cite the parole violation. The only reason anyone knows his name is bacause the State Dept made up this elaborate story.



Sentenced to a year in jail and three years probation for manufacturing meth. Violated probation in and recieved another year in jail in 2002.
In 2010, pleaded no contest to federal charges of bank fraud--had opened bank accounts using fake names and stolen Social Security numbers, deposited checks from those accounts to withdraw at ATMs. Received 21 months in jail and followed by five years probation, which included not using aliases and not using the Internet without prior approval from his probation officer. In 2012, pleaded guilty to four counts of probation violation and was sentenced to a year in prison and four years of supervised release.

Dave Lane
05-08-2013, 07:43 PM
Run along with your crusade against religion Dave
NOTHING TO SEE HERE
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/ajmNFLEserY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

OK maybe I'm retarded but I just listed to 30 mins of the most boring man in the world and I see absolutely nothing done wrong on any front or level. Is this the wrong video perchance? Unless you mean not authorizing the 3 man "reinforcement team" is the thing I missed.

LiveSteam
05-08-2013, 07:56 PM
OK maybe I'm retarded but I just listed to 30 mins of the most boring man in the world and I see absolutely nothing done wrong on any front or level. Is this the wrong video perchance? Unless you mean not authorizing the 3 man "reinforcement team" is the thing I missed.

I dnt know I didnt watch it. :D

Dave Lane
05-08-2013, 07:59 PM
I dnt know I didnt watch it. :D

Spoken like a true republican.

LiveSteam
05-08-2013, 08:06 PM
Spoken like a true republican.

NOTHING TO SEE HERE DAVE/ Guess you missed that part

Dave Lane
05-08-2013, 08:13 PM
NOTHING TO SEE HERE DAVE/ Guess you missed that part

By the way you do know in your sig there is no such place as his "law school" :) People's Community Law Clinic of the Upper Midwest, he was totally ****ing with you.

bobbymitch
05-08-2013, 08:23 PM
There has been some 35 attacks on US Embassies around the world since WWII, with close to 400 dead. These have come with either Democrats or Republicans as President. So why the hub bub now? It's not who's in the White House, but what.

LiveSteam
05-08-2013, 09:12 PM
By the way you do know in your sig there is no such place as his "law school" :) People's Community Law Clinic of the Upper Midwest, he was totally ****ing with you.

No wounder my application kept coming back in the mail.

Baby Lee
05-08-2013, 09:14 PM
This is going to be a long day.

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RedNeckRaider
05-08-2013, 09:14 PM
There has been some 35 attacks on US Embassies around the world since WWII, with close to 400 dead. These have come with either Democrats or Republicans as President. So why the hub bub now? It's not who's in the White House, but what.

Calls for assistance several times ignored. Assets available told to stand down. Flat out disgraceful lies told to cover up the failure. Of the cases you provide please find one fucking case where the same disgraceful events happened~

stonedstooge
05-08-2013, 09:16 PM
There has been some 35 attacks on US Embassies around the world since WWII, with close to 400 dead. These have come with either Democrats or Republicans as President. So why the hub bub now? It's not who's in the White House, but what.

pssst. We threw out that talking point a couple of weeks ago. This week, we play dumb/Liberal talking points

RedNeckRaider
05-08-2013, 09:24 PM
pssst. We threw out that talking point a couple of weeks ago. This week, we play dumb/Liberal talking points

Fuck these shitbag assholes. Shameless scumbags defending anything left. The humorous part is these morons will attack me for being a right winger LMAO

Dave Lane
05-08-2013, 09:33 PM
Calls for assistance several times ignored. Assets available told to stand down. Flat out disgraceful lies told to cover up the failure. Of the cases you provide please find one ****ing case where the same disgraceful events happened~

Iran Contra was about 60 bazillion times worse. But I am assuming this sort of a clusterfuck happens every time one of these things take place, with 10 different people trying to coordinate things. Oddly, its never been an issue whoever was in office and I think its most appropriate to say, shit happens.

Bewbies
05-08-2013, 09:39 PM
There has been some 35 attacks on US Embassies around the world since WWII, with close to 400 dead. These have come with either Democrats or Republicans as President. So why the hub bub now? It's not who's in the White House, but what.

You think you're calling others racist, but anyone that reads this sees the racist is you.

Who the fuck calls someone a what?

Dave Lane
05-08-2013, 09:41 PM
You think you're calling others racist, but anyone that reads this sees the racist is you.

Who the **** calls someone a what?

He might just mean a Democrat, just saying.

RedNeckRaider
05-08-2013, 09:42 PM
Iran Contra was about 60 bazillion times worse. But I am assuming this sort of a cluster**** happens every time one of these things take place, with 10 different people trying to coordinate things. Oddly, its never been an issue whoever was in office and I think its most appropriate to say, shit happens.

So you are saying there were requests for help ignored, assets on the ground told to stand down. And a cover up with everyone including the president blaming some video and arresting some clown in an attempt to pin it in him....interesting~

mlyonsd
05-08-2013, 09:45 PM
So you are saying there were requests for help ignored, assets on the ground told to stand down. And a cover up with everyone including the president blaming some video and arresting some clown in an attempt to pin it in him....interesting~shit happens.

Dave Lane
05-08-2013, 09:45 PM
Google Iran Contra. Reagan sold missiles to the Iranians. Missiles they still own and may used on out troops some day.

Dave Lane
05-08-2013, 09:48 PM
And I've been out of the loop on Benghazi. I do imagine if each of the attacks on other embassies was viewed under a microscope there would be all sorts of stupid shit happening.

If you ever get an interest you should read military histories of battles. The mistakes on both sides in almost every battle is almost comical.

RedNeckRaider
05-08-2013, 09:48 PM
Google Iran Contra. Reagan sold missiles to the Iranians. Missiles they still own and may used on out troops some day.

So totally unrelated, and falls into the "oh yeah the right did bad things too!" is your play here...got it :rolleyes:

Dave Lane
05-08-2013, 09:50 PM
So totally unrelated, and falls into the "oh yeah the right did bad things too!" is your play here...got it :rolleyes:

No, you asked for something worse I gave it to you. Rage much?

LiveSteam
05-08-2013, 09:50 PM
Google Iran Contra. Reagan sold missiles to the Iranians. Missiles they still own and may used on out troops some day.

I know 4 Americans that dont have to worry about some day

LiveSteam
05-08-2013, 09:51 PM
That was along time ago Dave

mlyonsd
05-08-2013, 09:52 PM
Iran Contra was about 60 bazillion times worse. But I am assuming this sort of a cluster**** happens every time one of these things take place, with 10 different people trying to coordinate things. Oddly, its never been an issue whoever was in office and I think its most appropriate to say, shit happens.

LOL if you think Iran Contra was worse. It's evident the Obama administration lied about what really happened with an election 6 weeks away.

RedNeckRaider
05-08-2013, 09:53 PM
No, you asked for something worse I gave it to you. Rage much?

No just pointing out the weakness in your argument. The things you party loyal people will do to defend is amazing~

Dave Lane
05-08-2013, 09:53 PM
LOL if you think Iran Contra was worse. It's evident the Obama administration lied about what really happened with an election 6 weeks away.

Wow that has never happened before. Please go on.

LiveSteam
05-08-2013, 09:54 PM
LOL if you think Iran Contra was worse. It's evident the Obama administration lied about what really happened with an election 6 weeks away.

You wanna know the difference here, Ronald owned it. Obama & Hillary will never own it. Hillary will be made to wear it though

Dave Lane
05-08-2013, 09:54 PM
No just pointing out the weakness in your argument. The things you party loyal people will do to defend is amazing~

You asked, I delivered sorry if it doesn't fit your narrative.

Dave Lane
05-08-2013, 09:56 PM
You wanna know the difference here, Ronald owned it. Obama & Hillary will never own it. Hillary will be made to wear it though

How old are you? You think he voluntarily fessed up? Were you 5 years old or something then? I voted for Reagan both times so I don't have to fluff anything.

RedNeckRaider
05-08-2013, 09:56 PM
You asked, I delivered sorry if it doesn't fit your narrative.

You did not deliver anything, you gave a "oh yeah" response nothing more. You are a sheep for a party~

Dave Lane
05-08-2013, 09:57 PM
You did not deliver anything, you gave a "oh yeah" response nothing more. You are a sheep for a party~

No I delivered something far, far worse. You ask me to produce something and I did.

LiveSteam
05-08-2013, 10:00 PM
How old are you? You think he voluntarily fessed up? Were you 5 years old or something then? I voted for Reagan both times so I don't have to fluff anything.

Oh bull shit Dave. Im old enough to remember him on TV saying
As much as I want to say it didnt happen the facts say otherwise. Or something similar to that. Who did Ron blame? Educate me

RedNeckRaider
05-08-2013, 10:00 PM
No I delivered something far, far worse. You ask me to produce something and I did.

I asked for apples to apples you gave me an orange. Whatever bro both parties can kiss my ass. You chose to kiss the ass of a party~

Dave Lane
05-08-2013, 10:03 PM
Oh bull shit Dave. Im old enough to remember him on TV saying
As much as I want to say it didnt happen the facts say otherwise. Or something similar to that. Who did Ron blame? Educate me

Oliver North. Learn from history my friend, or be doomed to repeat it.

LiveSteam
05-08-2013, 10:04 PM
Oliver North. Learn from history my friend, or be doomed to repeat it.

Ron blamed North? I knew you were gonna say that.
Link it it up. I wanna see Ron blaming

Dave Lane
05-08-2013, 10:07 PM
I asked for apples to apples you gave me an orange. Whatever bro both parties can kiss my ass. You chose to kiss the ass of a party~

I don't kiss any party's ass. I'd like a fiscally conservative, socially liberal party and no one will give it to me. It forces me to pick between two evils.

I'm no wank. However in DC anyone that doesnt call Obama by his first name ****ing Obama is a leftist, socialist, commie scumbag, I get that.

Dave Lane
05-08-2013, 10:08 PM
Ron blamed North? I knew you were gonna say that.
Link it it up. I wanna see Ron blaming

He never said it publicly. Link me up Obama or Clinton blaming someone in the military.

LiveSteam
05-08-2013, 10:17 PM
He never said it publicly. Link me up Obama or Clinton blaming someone in the military.

How about blaming a man & his youtube vid?

Dave Lane
05-08-2013, 10:37 PM
How about blaming a man & his youtube vid?

Lets see it.

cosmo20002
05-08-2013, 11:03 PM
How about blaming a man & his youtube vid?

I didn't realize a video had the ability to fire mortars. I thought some Libyan assholes did the attack. :shrug:

Bewbies
05-08-2013, 11:22 PM
He might just mean a Democrat, just saying.

Nope, he specifically points our R's and D's.

LiveSteam
05-08-2013, 11:29 PM
Lets see it.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/us-president-speaks-un-about-youtube-video-posted-june


23 second mark
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/2vSzdOPz1X0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

LiveSteam
05-08-2013, 11:45 PM
<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/R_Qx7Fmn4uE" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/MjXchS56GEg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/g83moMSTYdU" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

<iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/5HeoxAmmxnI" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/4cqKobGfoUY" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/rB_9lvyNcxo" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>



<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/I80ny_JJK-8" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>


/

Dylan
05-09-2013, 01:53 AM
"WHAT DIFFFFERRREENNCEEEE DOES IT MAAAAKKE"
Propagandist Hillary Clinton


"None apparently."
Ansar al-Sharia alias for Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula
al Malahem Media Foundation

Loneiguana
05-09-2013, 07:24 AM
Just to get some actual facts in here:

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/202446.pdf

The ARB concludes: "The Board found that certain senior State Department officials within two bureaus in critical positions of authority and responsibility in Washington demonstrated a lack of proactive leadership and management ability appropriate for the State Department's senior ranks in their responses to security concerns posed by Special Mission Benghazi, given the deteriorating threat environment and the lack of reliable host government protection. However, the Board did not find that any individual U.S. Government employee engaged in misconduct or willfully ignored his or her responsibilities, and, therefore did not find reasonable cause to believe that an individual breached his or her duty so as to be the subject of a recommendation for disciplinary action."

/Are you guys gong to attempt to impeach yet because information given to the Administration by the CIA turned out later to incorrect?

WhiteWhale
05-09-2013, 07:32 AM
You wanna know the difference here, Ronald owned it. Obama & Hillary will never own it. Hillary will be made to wear it though

Ronny didn't own it. They dumped the blame on Ollie and Ray gun said he 'couldn't remember' and used plausible deniability to escape charges. Ollie seemed okay with jumping on the sword.

Ray gun wasn't senile, but he did like to play that card when it was convenient.

petegz28
05-09-2013, 08:07 AM
Are people really trying to pretend that the Admin did not try to blame a video for this? Seriously?

stonedstooge
05-09-2013, 08:09 AM
Whew. Huffpo reports it was only incompetence, not a cover-up. Libtards rejoice

patteeu
05-09-2013, 08:20 AM
Just to get some actual facts in here:

http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/202446.pdf

The ARB concludes: "The Board found that certain senior State Department officials within two bureaus in critical positions of authority and responsibility in Washington demonstrated a lack of proactive leadership and management ability appropriate for the State Department's senior ranks in their responses to security concerns posed by Special Mission Benghazi, given the deteriorating threat environment and the lack of reliable host government protection. However, the Board did not find that any individual U.S. Government employee engaged in misconduct or willfully ignored his or her responsibilities, and, therefore did not find reasonable cause to believe that an individual breached his or her duty so as to be the subject of a recommendation for disciplinary action."

/Are you guys gong to attempt to impeach yet because information given to the Administration by the CIA turned out later to incorrect?

That's an opinion, not a fact. How can you expect anyone to take you seriously when you don't even know the difference?

LiveSteam
05-09-2013, 08:40 AM
NOT GOING AWAY. The witch hunt for Hillary will continue until she is ruined IMO

Dave Lane
05-09-2013, 08:47 AM
NOT GOING AWAY. The witch hunt for Hillary will continue until she is ruined IMO

Some Muslim made video is what you are worried about? I thought there was some American made video that showed gross negligence on the part of some American. I'm sure if there was some crazy video that sparked the radicals to do something it did. Is your claim that Obama himself created the video to get them to attack the embassy?

The_Grand_Illusion
05-09-2013, 08:52 AM
Some Muslim made video is what you are worried about? I thought there was some American made video that showed gross negligence on the part of some American. I'm sure if there was some crazy video that sparked the radicals to do something it did. Is your claim that Obama himself created the video to get them to attack the embassy?

My gosh, you are so dense.

TGI

Dave Lane
05-09-2013, 09:00 AM
That's an opinion, not a fact. How can you expect anyone to take you seriously when you don't even know the difference?

Well its a fact the Board found no one at fault.

patteeu
05-09-2013, 09:24 AM
Some Muslim made video is what you are worried about? I thought there was some American made video that showed gross negligence on the part of some American. I'm sure if there was some crazy video that sparked the radicals to do something it did. Is your claim that Obama himself created the video to get them to attack the embassy?

No video made anyone attack the embassy. That was all :BS:

patteeu
05-09-2013, 09:25 AM
Well its a fact the Board found no one at fault.

Not a very interesting one. And not what he highlighted either.

BucEyedPea
05-09-2013, 09:26 AM
NOT GOING AWAY. The witch hunt for Hillary will continue until she is ruined IMO

She deserves it. She's corrupt.

LiveSteam
05-09-2013, 09:41 AM
She deserves it. She's corrupt.

Oh ya/ No sympathy here. I hate the Wicked witch of Arkansas

LOCOChief
05-09-2013, 09:42 AM
We're lied to all the time. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if this admin wanted Steven's dead / silent. I don't trust our govt for shit. We'll never know the truth. This could be a weapons deal gone bad, it could be any number of underhanded BS but we will never know the truth because we're lied to constantly and so many people in general no longer require or even expect the truth from our leadership.

The_Grand_Illusion
05-09-2013, 09:43 AM
No video made anyone attack the embassy. That was all :BS:

He's very late to the story. Of course we have a very powerful liberal media that will report what they want them to hear, or downplay, make excuses, or flat out ignore what they don't want them to hear. It's corrupt to the point we have our own Pravda now. And the left calls us sheeple.

TGI

Fairplay
05-09-2013, 09:43 AM
Are people really trying to pretend that the Admin did not try to blame a video for this? Seriously?




That is why they are called libtards.

FishingRod
05-09-2013, 10:06 AM
The Bay of Pigs, Gulf of Tolkien, Watergate, Iran Contra, BJ Gate, and the Iraq War, are all interesting topics worthy of discussion but have nothing to do with this topic. Feel free to start a new thread on any or all of them if you would like to but they really have no more relevance in this discussion than if Michael Jackson was a pedophile or not.

Comrade Crapski
05-09-2013, 10:17 AM
My gosh, you are so dense.

TGI

He's a scumbag.

Comrade Crapski
05-09-2013, 10:22 AM
We know you're tying to keep Bengazi alive for when Hillary runs

Yeah thats it. We're all just out to get Hil. :rolleyes:

You are scumbag piece of garbage.

donkhater
05-09-2013, 11:05 AM
I can't stand Obama, but even I am having a hard time finding anything of an illegal scandal here.

Here's what it looks like to me:

The administration tried to cover-up their gross incompetence, not some illegal activity, by putting out those talking points. Regardless of Hillary's opinion, this does matter.

1. It means the President willingly lied to the American people. Not the first time in history this has happened, nor the last, but in the throws of an election it may have had huge consequences.

2. Depending on whether it was a protest or an attack, this affects American foreign policy in the region does it not?

3. The talking points contradicted the Libyan president's version of the events as well. In essence, they called him a liar. Was this the reason the FBI couldn't get investigators into the region to investigate the attack and CAPTURE the perpetrators? Is that why we still haven't caught who did it? Or is that such a 'long time ago' that the administration isn't focusing on it anymore?

All in all, it was just gross mismangement and incompetence, IMO. I personally don't think Hillary did anything illegal, but I do think that she wasn't on top of the situation like she should have been and did make wrong decisions. Is this what we could expect from president Hillary?

patteeu
05-09-2013, 11:12 AM
I can't stand Obama, but even I am having a hard time finding anything of an illegal scandal here.

Here's what it looks like to me:

The administration tried to cover-up their gross incompetence, not some illegal activity, by putting out those talking points. Regardless of Hillary's opinion, this does matter.

1. It means the President willingly lied to the American people. Not the first time in history this has happened, nor the last, but in the throws of an election it may have had huge consequences.

2. Depending on whether it was a protest or an attack, this affects American foreign policy in the region does it not?

3. The talking points contradicted the Libyan president's version of the events as well. In essence, they called him a liar. Was this the reason the FBI couldn't get investigators into the region to investigate the attack and CAPTURE the perpetrators? Is that why we still haven't caught who did it? Or is that such a 'long time ago' that the administration isn't focusing on it anymore?

All in all, it was just gross mismangement and incompetence, IMO. I personally don't think Hillary did anything illegal, but I do think that she wasn't on top of the situation like she should have been and did make wrong decisions. Is this what we could expect from president Hillary?

Good analysis. I agree.

Chief Faithful
05-09-2013, 11:13 AM
I can't stand Obama, but even I am having a hard time finding anything of an illegal scandal here.

Here's what it looks like to me:

The administration tried to cover-up their gross incompetence, not some illegal activity, by putting out those talking points. Regardless of Hillary's opinion, this does matter.

1. It means the President willingly lied to the American people. Not the first time in history this has happened, nor the last, but in the throws of an election it may have had huge consequences.

2. Depending on whether it was a protest or an attack, this affects American foreign policy in the region does it not?

3. The talking points contradicted the Libyan president's version of the events as well. In essence, they called him a liar. Was this the reason the FBI couldn't get investigators into the region to investigate the attack and CAPTURE the perpetrators? Is that why we still haven't caught who did it? Or is that such a 'long time ago' that the administration isn't focusing on it anymore?

All in all, it was just gross mismangement and incompetence, IMO. I personally don't think Hillary did anything illegal, but I do think that she wasn't on top of the situation like she should have been and did make wrong decisions. Is this what we could expect from president Hillary?

Some illegal happened, but I don't equate it to Watergate which was premeditated crime. There was major incompetence, lying, deception, cover-up and needless American deaths none of which was illegal. The only thing illegal was the White House coercing witnesses, but that seems to be it.

LiveSteam
05-09-2013, 11:16 AM
Did Hillary lie under oath?

stonedstooge
05-09-2013, 11:18 AM
Did Hillary lie under oath?

AT THIS POINT AND TIME WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?

LiveSteam
05-09-2013, 11:21 AM
AT THIS POINT AND TIME WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE?

LMAO nice

stonedstooge
05-09-2013, 11:26 AM
I still think there's something being hidden that hasn't come out yet, and may never. When O'Bama and crew went with the narrative right after the attack, many were already questioning why the fuck are they going with this story? Going to have to peel away a few more layers to find out what it was. Or O'Bama will try to put a stop to the investigation. Can he do what he did with Fast and Furious?

LiveSteam
05-09-2013, 11:30 AM
I still think there's something being hidden that hasn't come out yet, and may never. When O'Bama and crew went with the narrative right after the attack, many were already questioning why the fuck are they going with this story? Going to have to peel away a few more layers to find out what it was. Or O'Bama will try to put a stop to the investigation. Can he do what he did with Fast and Furious?

If they are hiding anything? IMO they are
Its more gun running & it would have looked like F&F part II at the worst time possible for Obama. I guarantee this is the smoking gun. PUN intended

stonedstooge
05-09-2013, 11:31 AM
If they are hiding anything? IMO they are
Its more gun running & it would have looked like F&F part II at the worst time possible for Obama. I guarantee this is smoking gun. PUN intended

Why Rand Paul mentioned Turkey when questioning Hillary?

LiveSteam
05-09-2013, 11:36 AM
Why Rand Paul mentioned Turkey when questioning Hillary?

Not sure. I have only seen bits & pieces of that hearing. I can only take about 30 seconds of her mug on my TV before I start gagging & dry heaving

LOCOChief
05-09-2013, 11:39 AM
If they are hiding anything? IMO they are
Its more gun running & would have looked like F&F II at the worst time possible for Obama. I guarantee it

exactly my thoughts from day 1.

LOCOChief
05-09-2013, 11:46 AM
Why Rand Paul mentioned Turkey when questioning Hillary?

IIRC There were reports that Stevens met with a Turkish General outside the compound the night of the attack. Someone with the state department later said the meeting was held for the opening of a cultural center. Also a Turkish ship was spotted in a Libyan port the week before.

LiveSteam
05-09-2013, 11:47 AM
exactly my thoughts from day 1.

I hope it takes Hillary down for good.

LOCOChief
05-09-2013, 11:49 AM
I hope it takes Hillary down for good.

Oh this has the potential to take down more than just Hillary

LOCOChief
05-09-2013, 11:52 AM
Edit the meeting was days before the attack.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/25/was-syrian-weapons-shipment-factor-in-ambassadors-benghazi-visit/

LiveSteam
05-09-2013, 11:54 AM
Oh this has the potential to take down more than just Hillary

Obama is untouchable. Just how it is. Anyone with a brain thats payed attention knows where Barry's mind was at that time. Nevada.
Hillary on the other hand & IMO will be destroyed.

Fairplay
05-09-2013, 12:09 PM
Not sure. I have only seen bits & pieces of that hearing. I can only take about 30 seconds of her mug on my TV before I start gagging & dry heaving



obama has the same effect on me

LiveSteam
05-09-2013, 12:13 PM
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/7yr7odFUARg" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

LOCOChief
05-09-2013, 12:18 PM
A mysterious Libyan ship -- reportedly carrying weapons and bound for Syrian rebels -- may have some link to the Sept. 11 terror attack on the U.S. Consulate in Benghazi, Fox News has learned.

Through shipping records, Fox News has confirmed that the Libyan-flagged vessel Al Entisar, which means "The Victory," was received in the Turkish port of Iskenderun -- 35 miles from the Syrian border -- on Sept. 6, just five days before Ambassador Chris Stevens, information management officer Sean Smith and former Navy Seals Tyrone Woods and Glen Doherty were killed during an extended assault by more than 100 Islamist militants.

On the night of Sept. 11, in what would become his last known public meeting, Stevens met with the Turkish Consul General Ali Sait Akin, and escorted him out of the consulate front gate one hour before the assault began at approximately 9:35 p.m. local time.

Although what was discussed at the meeting is not public, a source told Fox News that Stevens was in Benghazi to negotiate a weapons transfer, an effort to get SA-7 missiles out of the hands of Libya-based extremists. And although the negotiation said to have taken place may have had nothing to do with the attack on the consulate later that night or the Libyan mystery ship, it could explain why Stevens was travelling in such a volatile region on the 11th anniversary of the 9/11 attacks.

When asked to comment, a State Department spokeswoman dismissed the idea, saying Stevens was there for diplomatic meetings, and to attend the opening of a cultural center.

A congressional source also cautioned against drawing premature conclusions about the consulate attack and the movement of weapons from Libya to Syria via Turkey -- noting they may in fact be two separate and distinct events. But the source acknowledged the timing and the meeting between the Turkish diplomat and Stevens was "unusual."

According to an initial Sept. 14 report by the Times of London, Al Entisar was carrying 400 tons of cargo. Some of it was humanitarian, but also reportedly weapons, described by the report as the largest consignment of weapons headed for Syria's rebels on the frontlines.

"This is the Libyan ship ... which is basically carrying weapons that are found in Libya," said Walid Phares, a Fox News Middle East and terrorism analyst. "So the ship came all the way up to Iskenderun in Turkey. Now from the information that is available, there was aid material, but there were also weapons, a lot of weapons."

The cargo reportedly included surface-to-air anti-aircraft missiles, RPG's and Russian-designed shoulder-launched missiles known as MANPADS.

The ship's Libyan captain told the Times of London that "I can only talk about the medicine and humanitarian aid" for the Syrian rebels. It was reported there was a fight about the weapons and who got what "between the free Syrian Army and the Muslim Brotherhood."

"The point is that both of these weapons systems are extremely accurate and very simple to use," Fox News military analyst Col. David Hunt explained. He said the passage of weapons from Libya to Syria would escalate the conflict. "With a short amount of instruction, you've got somebody capable of taking down any, any aircraft. Anywhere in the world."

The Foundation for Human Rights, and Freedoms and Humanitarian Relief (IHH) -- the group accused of moving the weapons -- disputed the claims and in published Turkish reports said it "will take legal action against this article which was written without concrete evidence. It is defamatory, includes false and unfair accusations and violates publishing ethics."

Information uncovered in a Fox News investigation raises questions about whether weapons used to arm the Libyan rebels are now surfacing in Syria.

In March 2011, the Reuters news service first reported that President Obama had authorized a "secret order ... (allowing) covert U.S. government support for rebel forces" to push the Libyan dictator Muammar Qaddafi from office.

At a hearing on March 31, before the House Foreign Affairs Committee, several lawmakers raised concerns about the finding reported by the Reuters news service and whether the Obama administration knew who constituted the rebel forces and whether Islamists were among their ranks.

"What assurances do we have that they will not pose a threat to the United States if they succeed in toppling Qaddafi?" Republican Chairwoman Ileana Ros-Lehtinen, R-Fla., asked. "There are reports that some opposition figures have links to Al Qaeda and extremist groups that have fought against our forces in Iraq."

While the source of the weapons used to attack the consulate is part of an ongoing investigation, former CIA Director Porter Goss told Fox News there was no question some of the weapons that flooded Libya during the uprising are making their way to Syria -- adding that the U.S. intelligence community must be aware, given their presence in Benghazi.

"Absolutely. I think there's no question that there's a lot of networking going on. And ... of course we know it."

A month after the October 2011 death of Qaddafi, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton announced in Tripoli that the U.S. was committing $40 million to help Libya "secure and recover its weapons stockpiles." Earlier this year, Assistant Secretary of State for Political and Military Affairs Andrew Shapiro expressed concerns that the situation on the ground was far from under control.

Speaking to the Stimson Center in Washington D.C., on Feb. 2, Shapiro said: "This raises the question -- how many are still missing? The frank answer is we don't know and probably never will."



Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/25/was-syrian-weapons-shipment-factor-in-ambassadors-benghazi-visit/#ixzz2Sohheel6

HonestChieffan
05-09-2013, 12:24 PM
Missing weapons? Get Holder on the phone pronto.....

LiveSteam
05-09-2013, 12:27 PM
Missing weapons? Get Holder on the phone pronto.....

It would be nice if that fucking puke had a major roll in this some how.

FishingRod
05-09-2013, 12:31 PM
I can't stand Obama, but even I am having a hard time finding anything of an illegal scandal here.

Here's what it looks like to me:

The administration tried to cover-up their gross incompetence, not some illegal activity, by putting out those talking points. Regardless of Hillary's opinion, this does matter.

1. It means the President willingly lied to the American people. Not the first time in history this has happened, nor the last, but in the throws of an election it may have had huge consequences.

2. Depending on whether it was a protest or an attack, this affects American foreign policy in the region does it not?

3. The talking points contradicted the Libyan president's version of the events as well. In essence, they called him a liar. Was this the reason the FBI couldn't get investigators into the region to investigate the attack and CAPTURE the perpetrators? Is that why we still haven't caught who did it? Or is that such a 'long time ago' that the administration isn't focusing on it anymore?

All in all, it was just gross mismangement and incompetence, IMO. I personally don't think Hillary did anything illegal, but I do think that she wasn't on top of the situation like she should have been and did make wrong decisions. Is this what we could expect from president Hillary?



Pretty Fair , It does seem there may have been interference with a congressional investigation and coercion of witnesses. I would assume that would be a crime. I have not heard any reasonable people jumping up and down about ignoring intelligence beforehand. I’m sure there are hundreds and probably thousands of threats reported on any given day. It is simply impossible to be everywhere at the same time. The attack happened and I really see no reason to lay blame at the feet of anyone up to that point.

My question is why were the assets available not allowed to try to help? Would they arrived in time? I really can’t say for sure, but why they were not allowed to even try, is a very relevant question. I don’t think they just wanted to let people die but, lean towards incompetence.

The administration did go in full spin mode afterwards. Why wasn’t the highest ranking person left in Libya consulted by the Administration before sending the administrations mouth piece to spew a false account of what happened not once but on 5 different talk shows. Short of death threats from the CIA to those running the media (sans FOX) I simply can’t understand how they could have given this story so little attention. I mean they went into a frenzy over the Clinton BJ story but nothing but the sound of crickets on this? Once upon a time I liked President Bush Sr. then he did something that in my opinion put politics ahead of lives, and I never trusted or supported him again.

I am starting to think if the current POTUS clubbed to death a bus load of babies and fed them to a pack of wolves ant then posted a UTBUE video of him laughing about it, I would just hear it is because the republicans cut the budget and they didn’t have better locks on the bus door and it wasn’t as bad as what Dubya did anyway.

Cave Johnson
05-09-2013, 01:30 PM
Still not as egregious a fuck up as receiving a memo a month before 9/11 explicitly referring attacks on airports.

http://www.esquire.com/blogs/politics/dick-cheney-slams-obama-on-benghazi-050813

'Hamas' Jenkins
05-09-2013, 01:35 PM
Exaggerating issues like this only serves to turn off voters who aren't rabidly anti-Obama. The GOP is masterful at playing to its base, but continually stressing issues like this, although tragic, only serves to undermine their critique, as it requires a willful ignorance of other tragedies orders of magnitude larger.

For the Biblically inclined, consider the plank in the eye of the accuser.

fan4ever
05-09-2013, 01:39 PM
I still think there's something being hidden that hasn't come out yet, and may never. When O'Bama and crew went with the narrative right after the attack, many were already questioning why the **** are they going with this story? Going to have to peel away a few more layers to find out what it was. Or O'Bama will try to put a stop to the investigation. Can he do what he did with Fast and Furious?

I think over the past four years this administration has become so used to a complicit media that lying has become second nature and practically risk-free. What's the downside to lying? "The only ones who are going to object is going to be RWNJ's". That works beautifully...note the liberal reaction in this thread.

cosmo20002
05-09-2013, 01:57 PM
I can't stand Obama, but even I am having a hard time finding anything of an illegal scandal here.

Here's what it looks like to me:

The administration tried to cover-up their gross incompetence, not some illegal activity, by putting out those talking points. Regardless of Hillary's opinion, this does matter.

1. It means the President willingly lied to the American people. Not the first time in history this has happened, nor the last, but in the throws of an election it may have had huge consequences.

2. Depending on whether it was a protest or an attack, this affects American foreign policy in the region does it not?

3. The talking points contradicted the Libyan president's version of the events as well. In essence, they called him a liar. Was this the reason the FBI couldn't get investigators into the region to investigate the attack and CAPTURE the perpetrators? Is that why we still haven't caught who did it? Or is that such a 'long time ago' that the administration isn't focusing on it anymore?

All in all, it was just gross mismangement and incompetence, IMO. I personally don't think Hillary did anything illegal, but I do think that she wasn't on top of the situation like she should have been and did make wrong decisions. Is this what we could expect from president Hillary?

Of the Obama haters, this is at least has a touch of reason in it. I think "gross incompetence" is a little strong. You can point to requests for increased security that weren't granted, but everyone wants more security and decisions have to be made. Would the increased security requested have stopped mortar shells or the attacks?

I truly don't understand the obsession with #2 up there. Was it a protest or an attack? Well, when mortars are fired and people storm the building, it is an attack. What motivated them to attack--an anti-Muslim video or US hatred in general? That's where Hillary's "What difference does it make?" comes in.

Fact is, there were protests and violence motivated by that video across the Middle East on that day. Saying that the video had something to do with the attackers' motivations was not outrageous. Either way, when they started firing at the consulate, it was terrorism. Was the video part of the motivation? Well, what difference does it make?

The_Grand_Illusion
05-09-2013, 02:41 PM
I just can't believe the libs continue to downplay this. It just goes to show how corrupt this whole liberal culture has become.

Five Key Points from May 8 Benghazi Hearing

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/05/08/Five-Key-Points-from-Today-s-Benghazi-Hearing-So-Far

1. Two "stand-down" orders were given while the Benghazi attacks were in progress.

2. The "protest" about a YouTube video was a complete fabrication by the Obama administration.

3. Cheryl Mills, Clinton's lawyer at the State Department, told witnesses not to speak to House investigators.

4. The diplomatic personnel on the ground acted with incredible, unheralded heroism.

5. Democrats came to rebut the eyewitnesses with talking points.

The key question remains unanswered:

What did President Barack Obama do when he learned the consulate was under attack, and why?

stonedstooge
05-09-2013, 02:50 PM
Ah memories. Last time I remember a President flat out lying. Notice how he's cheered by the press

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LiveSteam
05-09-2013, 02:59 PM
I just can't believe the libs continue to downplay this. It just goes to show how corrupt this whole liberal culture has become.

Five Key Points from May 8 Benghazi Hearing

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/05/08/Five-Key-Points-from-Today-s-Benghazi-Hearing-So-Far

1. Two "stand-down" orders were given while the Benghazi attacks were in progress.

2. The "protest" about a YouTube video was a complete fabrication by the Obama administration.

3. Cheryl Mills, Clinton's lawyer at the State Department, told witnesses not to speak to House investigators.

4. The diplomatic personnel on the ground acted with incredible, unheralded heroism.

5. Democrats came to rebut the eyewitnesses with talking points.

The key question remains unanswered:

What did President Barack Obama do when he learned the consulate was under attack, and why?

Oh trust me. if it was a truck load of dildo's that had been hijacked, motored, destroyed ect. Their would be hell to pay. But since its only 4 dead Americans Meh

donkhater
05-09-2013, 03:33 PM
Of the Obama haters, this is at least has a touch of reason in it. I think "gross incompetence" is a little strong. You can point to requests for increased security that weren't granted, but everyone wants more security and decisions have to be made. Would the increased security requested have stopped mortar shells or the attacks?

I truly don't understand the obsession with #2 up there. Was it a protest or an attack? Well, when mortars are fired and people storm the building, it is an attack. What motivated them to attack--an anti-Muslim video or US hatred in general? That's where Hillary's "What difference does it make?" comes in.

Fact is, there were protests and violence motivated by that video across the Middle East on that day. Saying that the video had something to do with the attackers' motivations was not outrageous. Either way, when they started firing at the consulate, it was terrorism. Was the video part of the motivation? Well, what difference does it make?

I think it's a subtle point. If it was a video that sparked the attack, then the administration can logically adopt a vantage point of it being a 'one-time-only' incident and not adjust their foreign policy at all.

If, on the other hand, it was a planned attack for the anniversary of 9/11, then it points to a more constant threat from terrorists groups on American targets abroad, which, I hope, would trigger a re-examination of where we are deploying diplomats and how we are protecting them. (and even more importantly why, but that's the subject of a different thread.)

DaveNull
05-09-2013, 03:45 PM
Considering an embassy in Lybia is essentially a CIA field office that was up to all kinds of shady CIA type things, I've always concluded that laying the blame on the protests was perhaps misdirection while they did their investigation and laid waste to the actual perpetrators.

Perhaps that's giving them too much of the benefit of the doubt, but that's why I never have understood the butthurt over the PR spin delivered by the State Department while the fires were still smouldering.

I felt the same way right after 9/11. People were getting impatient about the lack of response, the administration was giving some level of misdirection while CIA and special ops were getting set to take the Taliban out.

mlyonsd
05-09-2013, 03:50 PM
Considering an embassy in Lybia is essentially a CIA field office that was up to all kinds of shady CIA type things, I've always concluded that laying the blame on the protests was perhaps misdirection while they did their investigation and laid waste to the actual perpetrators.

Perhaps that's giving them too much of the benefit of the doubt, but that's why I never have understood the butthurt over the PR spin delivered by the State Department while the fires were still smouldering.

I felt the same way right after 9/11. People were getting impatient about the lack of response, the administration was giving some level of misdirection while CIA and special ops were getting set to take the Taliban out.
I've got this bridge, and I'm kind of thinking about selling it. Interested?

RedNeckRaider
05-09-2013, 07:56 PM
I've got this bridge, and I'm kind of thinking about selling it. Interested?

There is a large amount of posters here who will go to extreme efforts to blindly defend their party. It is amazing and they can fuck off both right and left. This sucks plain and simple that is a fact and all defending it can fuck clear off~

cosmo20002
05-09-2013, 08:11 PM
There is a large amount of posters here who will go to extreme efforts to blindly defend their party. It is amazing and they can **** off both right and left. This sucks plain and simple that is a fact and all defending it can **** clear off~

Yeah, some people go way overboard in their politics.
The lying shitbags in our government should be tried as traitors~

BigRedChief
05-09-2013, 08:16 PM
Did the Republican party investigate the 54 separate attacks on our diplomats and embassy's during the Bush administration? I seemed to miss those investigations. Can someone provide the links?

mlyonsd
05-09-2013, 08:20 PM
Did the Republican party investigate the 54 separate attacks on our diplomats and embassy's during the Bush administration? I seemed to miss those investigations. Can someone provide the links?
Your skank is done. Better hurry up and start grooming somebody else.

LiveSteam
05-09-2013, 08:27 PM
Did the Republican party investigate the 54 separate attacks on our diplomats and embassy's during the Bush administration? I seemed to miss those investigations. Can someone provide the links?

They all took place in Iraq during a time of war, O'Riley just went over it

BigRedChief
05-09-2013, 08:27 PM
Your skank is done. Better hurry up and start grooming somebody else.In your dreams pal. :harumph:

Saw some clip on John Stewart, there was a Republican saying that you need to combine Watergate and Iran-Contra into one big scandal and then X10 and then you got the scandal of Benghazi.

Only Fox News and the Republicans who want to bash the socialist Muslim think this is any big deal.

There were 53 more of these under Bush. Explain the outrage.

BigRedChief
05-09-2013, 08:28 PM
They all took place in Iraq during a time of war,WRONG!:harumph:

Google is your friend. Use it.

mlyonsd
05-09-2013, 08:30 PM
In your dreams pal. :harumph:

Saw some clip on John Stewart, there was a Republican saying that you need to combine Watergate and Iran-Contra into one big scandal and then X10 and then you got the scandal of Benghazi.

Only Fox News and the Republicans who want to bash the socialist Muslim think this is any big deal.

There were 53 more of these under Bush. Explain the outrage.

You're right, what difference does it make.

RedNeckRaider
05-09-2013, 08:43 PM
Yeah, some people go way overboard in their politics.

On this we agree and to the second point both the right and the left should be tried as traitors~

LiveSteam
05-09-2013, 09:06 PM
WRONG!:harumph:

Google is your friend. Use it.

My quick search came up with 10
http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/09/14/krauthammer-whitewashes-bushs-history-to-bash-o/189890

No ones saying this shit never happens. Why make up stories,demote people that were there?
If you think it wasnt covered because of thee election,thats your opinion. POTUS & Co. lied out their asses. & you know know it.

Fairplay
05-09-2013, 09:09 PM
In your dreams pal. :harumph:

Saw some clip on John Stewart, there was a Republican saying that you need to combine Watergate and Iran-Contra into one big scandal and then X10 and then you got the scandal of Benghazi.

Only Fox News and the Republicans who want to bash the socialist Muslim think this is any big deal.

There were 53 more of these under Bush. Explain the outrage.



what a dumbass

RedNeckRaider
05-09-2013, 09:13 PM
My quick search came up with 10
http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/09/14/krauthammer-whitewashes-bushs-history-to-bash-o/189890

No ones saying this shit never happens. Why make up stories,demote people that were there?
If you think it wasnt covered because of thee election,thats your opinion. POTUS & Co. lied out their asses. & you know know it.

As I have said before he is one of the clowns that would attack the family of the child if Obama was caught with a ten year old kid. He would start a thread stating the kid was a stalker~

jettio
05-09-2013, 11:07 PM
This happened during a Presidential election where Romney was apparently heading to a certain loss after the Dems' convention was much better received by the public than the earlier GOP convention.

999 times out of a thousand, our country rallies together when enemies attack and kill Americans serving their country. However, in these times, that did not apply because GOP and FoxNews saw an opportunity to try to get Romney off the mat in the Presidential election.

So they looked for every opportunity to try to use the event to their advantage, and the first thing they seized upon was the relatively minor mistake of what somebody said on TV a few days later.

The things worthy of criticism, not preventing the attack and not having assets available to repel the attack, were lower priority for the GOP opportunists.

By the time more facts came to light, most Americans were disgusted by the GOP and FoxNews trying to use the deaths of 4 Americans to revive their losing Presidential candidate.

It was pretty obvious that the GOP was trying to exploit the deaths from the attack to win an election.

I just hope that the GOP keeps trying to exploit this as if this was the first time in history that terrorists killed Americans.

The only thing unique about Benghazi is that it was the first time that one political party tried their darndest to nakedly forget that you are supposed to put the United States of America ahead of political party when the topic is serious.

LiveSteam
05-09-2013, 11:12 PM
This happened during a Presidential election where Romney was apparently heading to a certain loss after the Dems' convention was much better received by the public than the earlier GOP convention.

999 times out of a thousand, our country rallies together when enemies attack and kill Americans serving their country. However, in these times, that did not apply because GOP and FoxNews saw an opportunity to try to get Romney off the mat in the Presidential election.

So they looked for every opportunity to try to use the event to their advantage, and the first thing they seized upon was the relatively minor mistake of what somebody said on TV a few days later.

The things worthy of criticism, not preventing the attack and not having assets available to repel the attack, were lower priority for the GOP opportunists.

By the time more facts came to light, most Americans were disgusted by the GOP and FoxNews trying to use the deaths of 4 Americans to revive their losing Presidential candidate.

It was pretty obvious that the GOP was trying to exploit the deaths from the attack to win an election.

I just hope that the GOP keeps trying to exploit this as if this was the first time in history that terrorists killed Americans.

The only thing unique about Benghazi is that it was the first time that one political party tried their darndest to nakedly forget that you are supposed to put the United States of America ahead of political party when the topic is serious.



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patteeu
05-09-2013, 11:22 PM
This happened during a Presidential election where Romney was apparently heading to a certain loss after the Dems' convention was much better received by the public than the earlier GOP convention.

999 times out of a thousand, our country rallies together when enemies attack and kill Americans serving their country. However, in these times, that did not apply because GOP and FoxNews saw an opportunity to try to get Romney off the mat in the Presidential election.

So they looked for every opportunity to try to use the event to their advantage, and the first thing they seized upon was the relatively minor mistake of what somebody said on TV a few days later.

The things worthy of criticism, not preventing the attack and not having assets available to repel the attack, were lower priority for the GOP opportunists.

By the time more facts came to light, most Americans were disgusted by the GOP and FoxNews trying to use the deaths of 4 Americans to revive their losing Presidential candidate.

It was pretty obvious that the GOP was trying to exploit the deaths from the attack to win an election.

I just hope that the GOP keeps trying to exploit this as if this was the first time in history that terrorists killed Americans.

The only thing unique about Benghazi is that it was the first time that one political party tried their darndest to nakedly forget that you are supposed to put the United States of America ahead of political party when the topic is serious.

It wasn't a mistake, it was an intentional lie.

LiveSteam
05-09-2013, 11:41 PM
It wasn't a mistake, it was an intentional lie.

Its nothing more than a dirty trick by Fox news to get Mittens elected.
How dare the GOP & Fox play dirty politics. Hahahahahaha,

jettio
05-10-2013, 12:41 AM
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General Ham served his full tour and it has been less than a month from today that he left the post as commander of Africa command.

Admiral Gauoette's Stennis carrier group was conducting exercises in the Pacific about 8,000 miles away from Benghazi on September 11, 2012.

The Stennis carrier group did not arrive in the Fifth Fleet area to relieve the Enterprise carrier group until October 17, 2012.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carrier_Strike_Group_Three

Can you explain why you think Admiral Gauoette is connected to the September 11, 2012, attack in Benghazi in any way?

Can you explain why if General Ham was being fired that he would have served his full tour and not leave the post until April 2013?

Learn to think for yourself and do not believe everything you read on propaganda websites.

jettio
05-10-2013, 12:56 AM
It wasn't a mistake, it was an intentional lie.

Do you think somebody did something in reliance on believing in the truth of this "intentional lie"?

Is there anybody anywhere that can say that he was planning on doing X but because Susan Rice appeared on TV and said Y that he did Z instead of X?

Our people died because some terrorist attacks result in deaths to the good guys. The bottom line is the bottom line and Susan Rice going on TV was inconsequential as an "intentional lie" because nobody on Earth took any action in reliance on believing it.

The only reason it had any consequnce at all, is that it inspired an overreaction amongst the right-wing who thought Benghazi was their tool to get Romney back in the game. They spilled all this ink and outrage over Susan Rice and they lost credibility over any proper criticisms that could be made after more was known.

patteeu
05-10-2013, 12:58 AM
Do you think somebody did something in reliance on believing in the truth of this "intentional lie"?

Is there anybody anywhere that can say that he was planning on doing X but because Susan Rice appeared on TV and said Y that he did Z instead of X?

Our people died because some terrorist attacks result in deaths to the good guys. The bottom line is the bottom line and Susan Rice going on TV was inconsequential as an "intentional lie" because nobody on Earth took any action in reliance on believing it.

The only reason it had any consequnce at all, is that it inspired an overreaction amongst the right-wing who thought Benghazi was their tool to get Romney back in the game. They spilled all this ink and outrage over Susan Rice that they lost credibility over any proper criticisms that could be made after more was known.

There must have been a reason that the administration conspired to tell such a blatant lie. Hmmm, I wonder what it was.

jettio
05-10-2013, 01:00 AM
There must have been a reason that the administration conspired to tell such a blatant lie. Hmmm, I wonder what it was.

Can you spell out what you are hinting at?

Xanathol
05-10-2013, 02:15 AM
Saw some clip on John StewartAnd that's where you fucked up right there...

This happened during a Presidential election where Romney was apparently heading to a certain loss after the Dems' convention was much better received by the public than the earlier GOP convention.Stopped reading right there since you are already talking out of your ass. If Romney didn't fuck up the last debate taking the "don't be aggressive approach" the RINOs were recommending, there's a damned good chance the worse President in US history would not have been re-elected.

Facts are, not only was help not sent, but a stand down order was given twice and word is, only one person could have given such an order. John Stewart and his libtard pals are sucking their thumbs and twisting their hair, repeating to themselves "this isn't as bad as Iran or anything else, no it's not, it's really not!" Its the Kerry "I have a plan" plan, where you simply repeat something over & over and hope it finally makes it true ( or at least idiots start to believe it ).

Mngam
05-10-2013, 06:33 AM
Did the Republican party investigate the 54 separate attacks on our diplomats and embassy's during the Bush administration? I seemed to miss those investigations. Can someone provide the links?

You are aware that there have been other deaths at embassy's during Obamas term that have not been investigated, right?

HonestChieffan
05-10-2013, 06:41 AM
You are aware that there have been other deaths at embassy's during Obamas term that have not been investigated, right?


New here? Please focus on the Bush years. And just make stuff up on occasion.