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BigRedChief
05-13-2013, 12:32 PM
Public information now........... Powerful story.

Video:
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=50146677n

Rescue of an American aid worker helping the poor in the Somalia region. American home safely. 9 dead Somali bandits. All Seal Team 6 members unharmed.

Remember on the way into the State of the Union Obama told DOD Chief Panneta good job tonight and no one knew why. This is why.


Text of the story:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18560_162-57584013/the-rescue-of-jessica-buchanan/

Tonight, for the first time, we have the story of the rescue of Jessica Buchanan. It is the tale of a secret mission by SEAL Team Six that few people have heard about until now. On a January night in 2012, members of SEAL Team Six jumped from a plane into the skies of Somalia. Jessica Buchanan was being held hostage and the SEALs were descending just in time. Buchanan was a humanitarian aid worker who had come to help children in one of the most dangerous places on Earth. Hers was an ordeal that ended in a flash of violence. but had begun 93 days earlier when her car was stopped by bandits in a place she calls hell................

jiveturkey
05-13-2013, 12:37 PM
Not to take away from what these guys do on a regular basis but this is probably easier then routine training for them.

And hopefully that slapped the shit out of that lady. Who in the right mind would go to Somalia as an aid worker?

Donger
05-13-2013, 12:38 PM
Boy, Obama sure has a boner for DEVGRU.

T-post Tom
05-13-2013, 12:51 PM
Danish co-worker Poul Thisted who was also rescued by the SEALs... said later, that his lucky break was being captured with an American.

theelusiveeightrop
05-13-2013, 12:52 PM
And hopefully that slapped the shit out of that lady. Who in the right mind would go to Somalia as an aid worker?

ROFL

BigRedChief
05-13-2013, 12:52 PM
And hopefully that slapped the shit out of that lady. Who in the right mind would go to Somalia as an aid worker?Yeah, who is their right mind gives a shit about starving children, forced to be soldiers at 8 years old? Fuck em.:facepalm:

WhiteWhale
05-13-2013, 12:56 PM
Not to take away from what these guys do on a regular basis but this is probably easier then routine training for them.

And hopefully that slapped the shit out of that lady. Who in the right mind would go to Somalia as an aid worker?

I know right.

Why WOULD anyone go to Somalia as an aid worker? I mean all the other countries that need aid are bastions of security and safety.

:doh!:

InChiefsHell
05-13-2013, 01:11 PM
Proud of our boys. Nobody does it like they do.

Prison Bitch
05-13-2013, 01:14 PM
And hopefully that slapped the shit out of that lady. Who in the right mind would go to Somalia as an aid worker?


That's true. Sad as it sounds, she probably has no business being there. I suppose if you're part of a broader (US-supported) aid mission then we should do what we can to rescue kidnapped.



But if she's just going there on her own, gets taken.....there's no justification for risking many lives to go get her. It'll only lead to more risk taking by other Americans.

Radar Chief
05-13-2013, 01:45 PM
Proud of our boys. Nobody does it like they do.

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BigRedChief
05-13-2013, 03:07 PM
That's true. Sad as it sounds, she probably has no business being there. I suppose if you're part of a broader (US-supported) aid mission then we should do what we can to rescue kidnapped.

But if she's just going there on her own, gets taken.....there's no justification for risking many lives to go get her. It'll only lead to more risk taking by other Americans.Thats just BS. Its not she got caught up in a drug deal that went bad. Sbe was kidnapped because she was an American. The ground Somalian rebels needs to know you don't fuck with Americans. Just like the the Somalian pirates found out.

If you kidnap an American just because they are a citizen of the USA. Every single one of the Navy Seals would volunteer to go free a fellow American who's only crime is being an American.

Your stupid ass right wing nonsensical thinking doesn't apply here.

Pawnmower
05-13-2013, 03:10 PM
USA, motherfuckers!

tooge
05-13-2013, 04:16 PM
Lol, the video is brought to you by Viagra? wtf?

Cephalic Trauma
05-13-2013, 05:16 PM
Proud of our boys. Nobody does it like they do.

This.

BucEyedPea
05-13-2013, 06:38 PM
Thats just BS. Its not she got caught up in a drug deal that went bad. Sbe was kidnapped because she was an American. The ground Somalian rebels needs to know you don't **** with Americans. Just like the the Somalian pirates found out.

If you kidnap an American just because they are a citizen of the USA. Every single one of the Navy Seals would volunteer to go free a fellow American who's only crime is being an American.

Your stupid ass right wing nonsensical thinking doesn't apply here.

Just "because they are a citizen of the USA?" Seriously?

No, the problem is we need to stop interfering in the internal, and/or conflicts of other countries.
As soon as we do that, we make a new enemy. This would prevent such ordeals, risk less lives and be cheaper.

We must reduce our footprints on the world.

Xanathol
05-13-2013, 06:59 PM
I agree to send a message about screwing with Americans, but there is some personal responsibility too, in that if you really want to help these people, bring a gun.

Hog Farmer
05-13-2013, 06:59 PM
Just "because they are a citizen of the USA?" Seriously?

No, the problem is we need to stop interfering in the internal, and/or conflicts of other countries.
As soon as we do that, we make a new enemy. This would prevent such ordeals, risk less lives and be cheaper.

We must reduce our footprints on the world.

Sorry honey , but thats just not right. The world is full of evil people and lots of them hide behind a bullshit religious cause. I have family that has worked in Afghanistan,Pakistan, Africa , and several other countries I should not mention. Those people in some of those countries are just completely brain dead, all they know is violence, Kill, Kill ,Kill.

Dave Lane
05-13-2013, 07:03 PM
That's true. Sad as it sounds, she probably has no business being there. I suppose if you're part of a broader (US-supported) aid mission then we should do what we can to rescue kidnapped.



But if she's just going there on her own, gets taken.....there's no justification for risking many lives to go get her. It'll only lead to more risk taking by other Americans.

Pretend she was a Catholic nun and you can get all excited.

BucEyedPea
05-13-2013, 07:26 PM
Sorry honey , but thats just not right. The world is full of evil people and lots of them hide behind a bullshit religious cause. I have family that has worked in Afghanistan,Pakistan, Africa , and several other countries I should not mention. Those people in some of those countries are just completely brain dead, all they know is violence, Kill, Kill ,Kill.
Another good reason to stay out of their countries. They've been there for millenia doing that.
We're not going to change them. Evil has always existed....it's not up to us to change the world using our military. We use it when our borders need to be defended.

Fairplay
05-13-2013, 07:39 PM
I wouldn't doubt if the Seals do this kind of thing more then the public will ever know in these shit countries and it just doesn't get reported.

The Seals want to be as low key as possible anyway.

Iowanian
05-13-2013, 07:42 PM
It's great the seals jumped in and watered the lawn with the innards of those scum.....BUT...

This lady is pretty much an example of the real life horror film "Oh, my sorority sisters are dead, I'd better go take a shower".

There are a lot of people in this world that need help. You can't stick your pecker into a bee hive and then act surprised if you get a stinger in your helmet.

Aries Walker
05-13-2013, 07:52 PM
I'd rather we be the world's police force, than for the world to have no police force. Isolationism almost kept us out of World War II completely - that would have been a monumental disaster, and the world is much more complex, interconnected, and volatile now.

And SEAL Team Six are superhuman.

BigRedChief
05-13-2013, 08:51 PM
Another good reason to stay out of their countries. They've been there for millenia doing that.
We're not going to change them. Evil has always existed....it's not up to us to change the world using our military. We use it when our borders need to be defended.No one is thinking we are going to change Somalia by using Seal Team 6 to rescue a hostage. We are not in Somalia to nation build.

But, I bet they will think twice about kidnapping an American now. The Somalia pirates haven't tried to take an American vessel since we deployed Seal Team 6. Haven't taken an American hostage since.

Dallas Chief
05-13-2013, 09:17 PM
Badass.

BucEyedPea
05-13-2013, 09:17 PM
[QUOTE=BigRedChief;9679738]No one is thinking we are going to change Somalia by using Seal Team 6 to rescue a hostage. We are not in Somalia to nation build.

Well, that's not what I meant which was obvious. I am referring earlier interferences there.

rockymtnchief
05-13-2013, 09:18 PM
Good job, gentlemen!

BucEyedPea
05-13-2013, 09:23 PM
I'd rather we be the world's police force, than for the world to have no police force. Isolationism almost kept us out of World War II completely - that would have been a monumental disaster, and the world is much more complex, interconnected, and volatile now.



It's not isolationism to stay out of the internal affairs of other countries. WWII does not apply since we were attacked directly. Apples and oranges. Plus, one could argue, that our helping in WWI lead to factors creating WWII. One could argue, as some have, that if we were not in WWII, that Germany would have gone all the way to Russia who would have kicked their butts, since the Russians had them pretty much defeated in WWII before we got there. Those two tyrants would have knocked each other out.

Why does the world need a police force anyway? That just calls for more central govt control over the world—a far worse scenario.

BigRedChief
05-15-2013, 07:15 PM
It's not isolationism to stay out of the internal affairs of other countries. How was rescuing a hostage interfering in the affairs of another country?

BucEyedPea
05-15-2013, 07:20 PM
I wouldn't doubt if the Seals do this kind of thing more then the public will ever know in these shit countries and it just doesn't get reported.

The Seals want to be as low key as possible anyway.

This is actually true, according to a friend of mine who was a former Seal.

BucEyedPea
05-15-2013, 07:33 PM
How was rescuing a hostage interfering in the affairs of another country?

Don't you remember when US officials wanted a new govt in Somalia? We put troops there. To Clinton's credit, he pulled out. Under Bush Jr's WoT, back in again.
Still, the term "isolationist" is just another political boogie man such as "racist", "anti-Semitic," and "homophobic." They're coined to stop critical thought.

The Bush-Clinton Caper in Somalia (http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/ir/Ch32.html)

Junior Bush's 4th Crusade – Somalia (http://www.lewrockwell.com/margolis/margolis64.html)


The US is again blundering into ancient clan and tribal conflicts, using foreign troops and local mercenaries to defend a puppet regime without any popular support. US-Ethiopian intervention in Somalia is certain to re-ignite the murderous clan rivalries that brought it to the current state of anarchy.

The CIA calls such retaliation —> B-L-O-W-B-A-C-K!!!

BigRedChief
05-15-2013, 08:59 PM
Don't you remember when US officials wanted a new govt in Somalia? We put troops there. To Clinton's credit, he pulled out. Under Bush Jr's WoT, back in again.
Still, the term "isolationist" is just another political boogie man such as "racist", "anti-Semitic," and "homophobic." They're coined to stop critical thought.

The Bush-Clinton Caper in Somalia (http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/ir/Ch32.html)

Junior Bush's 4th Crusade Somalia (http://www.lewrockwell.com/margolis/margolis64.html)




The CIA calls such retaliation > B-L-O-W-B-A-C-K!!!Thats ancient history. The pirates and lawlessness existed long before Clinton. We didn't create them.

jspchief
05-15-2013, 09:03 PM
Didn't Somalia get attention from the US because of famine?

It's not like a bunch of US politicians just decided one day to mess with Somalia's government structure. It was rooted in humanitarian efforts.

Ultimately it may have been a disaster, but let's be honest about what drove these actions.

BucEyedPea
05-15-2013, 09:06 PM
Didn't Somalia get attention from the US because of famine?

It's not like a bunch of US politicians just decided one day to mess with Somalia's government structure. It was rooted in humanitarian efforts.

Ultimately it may have been a disaster, but let's be honest about what drove these actions.

Please provide sources and links for your assertion.

Because it wasn't just humanitarian. All that requires is dropping aid packages.
Not taking sides in an internal conflict, and using humanitarian reasons for cover.

BucEyedPea
05-15-2013, 09:09 PM
Thats ancient history. The pirates and lawlessness existed long before Clinton. We didn't create them.
Irrelevant as to when it happened. Please provide a link or source about them harassing us before we interfered.

Lawlessness aka a failed state was one of the so-called claims by the US. But it's bogus if you know the history and culture. They just did not have a strong central govt which worked for them. That we insisted they have one is what was wrong by us. In fact, our having too strong a central govt is even a problem for us. It's states with strong central powers that make more trouble in history.

So ahem, where did such pirates get their AK-47's and RPG rockets? I haven't heard of pirates in the Indonesia area having such weapons.

cosmo20002
05-15-2013, 09:16 PM
This is actually true, according to a friend of mine who was a former Seal.

Was a former SEAL? Does that mean your "friend" is a SEAL now?

cosmo20002
05-15-2013, 09:18 PM
Irrelevant as to when it happened. Please provide a link or source about them harassing us before we interfered.

Lawlessness aka a failed state was one of the so-called claims by the US. But it's bogus if you know the history and culture. They just did not have a strong central govt which worked for them. That we insisted they have one is what was wrong by us. In fact, our having too strong a central govt is even a problem for us. It's states with strong central powers that make more trouble in history.



Sounds like just the kind of place you would love. Perhaps consider moving there?

JASONSAUTO
05-15-2013, 09:25 PM
It's great the seals jumped in and watered the lawn with the innards of those scum.....BUT...

This lady is pretty much an example of the real life horror film "Oh, my sorority sisters are dead, I'd better go take a shower".

There are a lot of people in this world that need help. You can't stick your pecker into a bee hive and then act surprised if you get a stinger in your helmet.
This is a very ironic post.

How did you know about the hornets nest guy?
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BucEyedPea
05-15-2013, 09:26 PM
Strait of Malacca between Singapore and Indonesia has been world's leading haunt of pirates. Events in Somalia have changed this.

In 2006, a stable, popular government was finally established in southern Somalia, a moderate Islamist movement known as the Islamic Courts Union. It was quickly marked for death by the Islamophobic Bush administration which claimed, quite falsely, that the Courts Union was in league with al-Qaeda

Under cover of the Christmas holiday in December, 2006, the US and its regional ally Ethiopia invaded Somalia and overthrew its government. A new puppet government, supported by Ethiopian troops, claimed to run the country. National resistance against the US-Ethiopian invasion began immediately and continues to this day. Meanwhile, millions of Somalis were left to starve.Pirates of Somalia (http://www.lewrockwell.com/margolis/margolis129.html)

Per wikipedia

Piracy off the coast of Somalia has been a threat to international shipping since the second phase of the Somali Civil War in the early 21st century.

United Nations intervention (1992–1995)...

United Nations Security Council Resolution 794 was unanimously passed on December 3, 1992, which approved a coalition of United Nations peacekeepers led by the United States. Forming the Unified Task Force (UNITAF), the alliance was tasked with assuring security until humanitarian efforts aimed at stabilizing the situation were transferred to the UN....

Some of the militias that were then competing for power interpreted the UN troops' presence as a threat to their hegemony. Consequently, several gun battles took place in Mogadishu between local gunmen and peacekeepers. Among these was the Battle of Mogadishu of 1993, an unsuccessful attempt by US troops to apprehend faction leader Aidid. UN soldiers eventually withdrew altogether from the country on March 3, 1995, having incurred more significant casualties.

Looks like we were in there under the UN much earlier. Look, any Seal Team rescue is well executed. Those guys are awesome...but wtf was she doing there?

Aries Walker
05-15-2013, 09:42 PM
It's states with strong central powers that make more trouble in history.
I call BS on this statement. The greatest, longest-lasting, and widest-spread nations in history, as well as those most responsible for the greatest leaps in art, science, and philosophy - Egypt, Rome, Dynastic China, Charlemagne's HRE, the Ottoman Empire, Imperial England, the modern US, etc. - have always been almost exclusively those with strong central powers. Consequently, there is no evidence to say that decentralized governments - say, Vikings, Crusaders, the post-Charlemagne HRE, Interregnum England, right on up to modern-day Mexico - have made any less 'trouble' throughout history.

BucEyedPea
05-15-2013, 10:10 PM
I call BS on this statement. The greatest, longest-lasting, and widest-spread nations in history, as well as those most responsible for the greatest leaps in art, science, and philosophy - Egypt, Rome, Dynastic China, Charlemagne's HRE, the Ottoman Empire, Imperial England, the modern US, etc. - have always been almost exclusively those with strong central powers. Consequently, there is no evidence to say that decentralized governments - say, Vikings, Crusaders, the post-Charlemagne HRE, Interregnum England, right on up to modern-day Mexico - have made any less 'trouble' throughout history.

Rome invaded and conquered many countries and peoples. They couldn't do that without strong central powers. That's the kind of trouble I'm talking about. The Ottomans conquered many people and put them under their yoke too. They were also pretty nasty. Egypt was totalitarian and even conquered others for a time with t heir own empires.

You need to look at even more of those ancient empires that conquered others like Xerxes of Persia, for just one. Then there's the Colonial empires which wound up creating WWI with each other, Nazi Germany, Fascist Italy and the Soviet Union. That much power makes them overconfident and they start wars, then they eventually decline. ALL of them.

Get the picture now?

Xanathol
05-16-2013, 12:08 AM
Because it wasn't just humanitarian. All that requires is dropping aid packages.
Not taking sides in an internal conflict, and using humanitarian reasons for cover.Just a point of fact on the bold part. In these regions, you cannot simply drop in aid packages. If you do, those in power suck them up and use them as leverage to force the oppressed to do their bidding. When it comes to "policing the world", I personally have a 'it depends' outlook, as some things I think we should be involved in and others, not. The point is, if you do decide to get involved with something like providing humanitarian aid to Somalia, you also have to go in with guns and to that end, yes, most likely pick a side.

BucEyedPea
05-16-2013, 04:01 PM
Just a point of fact on the bold part. In these regions, you cannot simply drop in aid packages. If you do, those in power suck them up and use them as leverage to force the oppressed to do their bidding. When it comes to "policing the world", I personally have a 'it depends' outlook, as some things I think we should be involved in and others, not. The point is, if you do decide to get involved with something like providing humanitarian aid to Somalia, you also have to go in with guns and to that end, yes, most likely pick a side.

Okay. I can respect that but why do Christian Charities make a go of it without a military? Yes, I know savages even back in earlier times harmed them, but they knew that risk

Fact is our intervention under the UN, made the famine in Somalia much worse. Anyhow, think we're better off following the advice in George Washington's Farewell Address and Madison, below.

“A standing military force, with an overgrown Executive will not long be safe companions to liberty. The means of defence agst. foreign danger, have been always the instruments of tyranny at home.” -James Madison


We should be more like Switzerland, who don't get attacked. We'd be a lot safer.
As for merchant vessels off of Somalia, they should be allowed to be armed. Many of their nations don't allow that on those vessels.

BucEyedPea
05-16-2013, 04:06 PM
I call BS on this statement. The greatest, longest-lasting, and widest-spread nations in history, as well as those most responsible for the greatest leaps in art, science, and philosophy - Egypt, Rome, Dynastic China, Charlemagne's HRE, the Ottoman Empire, Imperial England, the modern US, etc. - have always been almost exclusively those with strong central powers. ...



Oh, and I forgot you don't need a big, strong central govt for leaps in art, science and philosophy. Less govt means more freedom and responsibility for the people to create—and they do. It's just not state inspired or controlled. That is how we got all the technology that improved our lives—through free-markets and capitalism. That's how we got Hollywood and movies. Do you really think films, or even philosophy flourished under the Soviet Union? If anything strong central govts want to maintain control of their power, so stifle new ideas or harass dissident voices in the arts.

Cephalic Trauma
05-16-2013, 04:38 PM
I call BS on this statement. The greatest, longest-lasting, and widest-spread nations in history, as well as those most responsible for the greatest leaps in art, science, and philosophy - Egypt, Rome, Dynastic China, Charlemagne's HRE, the Ottoman Empire, Imperial England, the modern US, etc. - have always been almost exclusively those with strong central powers. Consequently, there is no evidence to say that decentralized governments - say, Vikings, Crusaders, the post-Charlemagne HRE, Interregnum England, right on up to modern-day Mexico - have made any less 'trouble' throughout history.

There are actually people who still read the postmenopausal, stay at home mom's skewed view of history and politics?

Holy shit, complete waste of time. DC is much better when she's on ignore. That lady is a bonafide idiot, and the worst part is she has no idea.

BigRedChief
01-19-2014, 09:33 PM
This story was on 60 minutes again. Jessica has a book coming out. A new baby and life back here in the USA.

She still doesn't know a face or name from Seal Team 6 that rescues her.

Coyote
01-20-2014, 07:35 AM
This story was on 60 minutes again. Jessica has a book coming out. A new baby and life back here in the USA.

She still doesn't know a face or name from Seal Team 6 that rescues her.

Easy day.
Concerning Somalia, we (U.S military) are back engaged with Africom and Socom training African Union forces, mostly Kenyans. Beautiful place along the coast btw. As to the debates about it's past, post Italian colonialism, it was a mix of Soviet influence and west, due to its terrain(horn of Africa, choke point) that facilitates piracy. Then Sid barre controlled with their help. We evacuated Russians and others in 1991 during Desert Shield. The Habr Gidr clan rose in Mog with general Hadeed. We (usmc) had little problem with him when we went ashore in Dec 92 as part of Restore Hope humanitarian relief. We had some good fights but they were honest. As we transitioned to U. S./UN forces in 93, we went after him and his financier-Otto. That was Blackhawks down. We left and returned ( same bunch of us that went in first in Dec 92) to withdraw all UN forces in March 95. We cut some deals with Aideed in exchange for a rearward passage of lines between Indians and Pakistanis. No issues there, right? He got the key terrain( port/ airfield) from Morgan's clan from us in exchange for not interfering. Some of his guys didn't get the word but it was quickly resolved. Aideed died, his son ran the Mog I the earl 2000s. His son was a former us marine from Los Angeles. It has now descended again into pure clan chaos with Islamists filling much of the void. Kenya is active and they were only marginally involved in the 90s. Very tangled web.