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Donger
05-20-2013, 08:35 AM
http://news.yahoo.com/measles-surges-uk-years-vaccine-scare-100011003.html

LONDON (AP) More than a decade ago, British parents refused to give measles shots to at least a million children because of a vaccine scare that raised the specter of autism. Now, health officials are scrambling to catch up and stop a growing epidemic of the contagious disease.

This year, the U.K. has had more than 1,200 cases of measles, after a record number of nearly 2,000 cases last year. The country once recorded only several dozen cases every year. It now ranks second in Europe, behind only Romania.

Last month, emergency vaccination clinics were held every weekend in Wales, the epicenter of the outbreak. Immunization drives have also started elsewhere in the country, with officials aiming to reach 1 million children aged 10 to 16.

"This is the legacy of the Wakefield scare," said Dr. David Elliman, spokesman for the Royal College of Paediatrics and Child Health, referring to a paper published in 1998 by Andrew Wakefield and colleagues.

That work suggested a link between autism and the combined childhood vaccine for measles, mumps and rubella, called the MMR. Several large scientific studies failed to find any connection, the theory was rejected by at least a dozen major U.K. medical groups and the paper was eventually retracted by the journal that published it. Britain's top medical board stripped Wakefield of the right to practise medicine in the U.K., ruling that he and two of his colleagues showed a "callous disregard" for the children in the study. Wakefield took blood samples from children at his son's birthday party, paying them about 5 pounds each ($7.60) and later joked about the incident.

Still, MMR immunization rates plummeted across the U.K. as fearful parents abandoned the vaccine from rates over 90 percent to 54 percent. Wakefield has won support from parents suspicious of vaccines, including Hollywood celebrities like Jenny McCarthy, who has an autistic son.

Nearly 15 years later, the rumors about MMR are still having an impact. Now there's "this group of older children who have never been immunized who are a large pool of infections," Elliman said.

The majority of those getting sick in the U.K. including a significant number of older children and teens had never been vaccinated. Almost 20 of the more than 100 seriously ill children have been hospitalized and 15 have suffered complications including pneumonia and meningitis. One adult with measles has died, though it's unclear if it was the disease that killed him.

The first measles vaccines were introduced in the 1960s, which dramatically cut cases of the rash-causing illness. Since 2001, measles deaths have dropped by about 70 percent worldwide; Cambodia recently marked more than a year without a single case.

Globally, though, measles is still one of the leading causes of death in children under 5 and kills more than 150,000 people every year, mostly in developing countries. Measles is highly contagious and is spread by coughing, sneezing and close personal contact with infected people; symptoms include a fever, cough, and a rash on the face.

Across the U.K., about 90 percent of children under 5 are vaccinated against measles and have received the necessary two doses of the vaccine. But among children now aged 10 to 16, the vaccination rate is slightly below 50 percent in some regions.

To stop measles outbreaks, more than 95 percent of children need to be fully immunized. In some parts of the U.K., the rate is still below 80 percent.

Unlike in the United States, where most states require children to be vaccinated against measles before starting school, no such regulations exist in Britain. Parents are advised to have their children immunized, but Britain's Department of Health said it had no plans to consider introducing mandatory vaccination.

Last year, there were 55 reported cases of measles in the United States, where the measles vaccination rate is above 90 percent. So far this year, there have been 22 cases, including three that were traced to Britain. In previous years, the U.K. has sometimes exported more cases of measles to the U.S. than some countries in Africa.

Portia Ncube, a health worker at an East London clinic, said the struggle to convince parents to get the MMR shot is being helped by the measles epidemic in Wales.

"They see what's happening in Wales, so some of them are now sensible enough to come in and get their children vaccinated," she said.

Clinic patient Ellen Christensen, mother of an infant son, acknowledged she had previously had some "irrational qualms" about the MMR vaccine.

"But after reading more about it, I know now that immunization is not only good for your own child, it's good for everyone," she said.

BucEyedPea
05-20-2013, 08:39 AM
Who cares about what goes in in Great Britain.

mikey23545
05-20-2013, 08:43 AM
Like a drowning man clutching at their rescuer, paranoid retards are going to drag us all down with them.

Donger
05-20-2013, 09:05 AM
Who cares about what goes in in Great Britain.

Where this is happening isn't really pertinent. Why it is happening is.

KILLER_CLOWN
05-20-2013, 09:09 AM
Like a drowning man clutching at their rescuer, paranoid retards are going to drag us all down with them.

No! If you've had the fix then you should be fine.

BucEyedPea
05-20-2013, 09:11 AM
No! If you've had the fix then you should be fine.

That's right. Let people be responsible for their own decisions and the consequences of them.

cosmo20002
05-20-2013, 12:41 PM
That's right. Let people be responsible for their own decisions and the consequences of them.

The kid who gets measles doesn't really get to make a choice.

Pawnmower
05-20-2013, 12:44 PM
That's right. Let people be responsible for their own decisions and the consequences of them.

let the dumbasses who refuse vaccinations for their children pay the costs of the diseases, and not be in the same insurance pool as the rest of the population

ClevelandBronco
05-20-2013, 12:46 PM
let the dumbasses who refuse vaccinations for their children pay the costs of the diseases, and not be in the same insurance pool as the rest of the population

And let them be investigated for possible endangerment charges when their children suffer harm.

BucEyedPea
05-20-2013, 12:49 PM
let the dumbasses who refuse vaccinations for their children pay the costs of the diseases, and not be in the same insurance pool as the rest of the population

That's what I said. Just let insurance make their own policy about them.

BucEyedPea
05-20-2013, 12:50 PM
And let them be investigated for possible endangerment charges when their children suffer harm.

Thought you were a libertarian. Guess not.

ClevelandBronco
05-20-2013, 12:54 PM
Thought you were a libertarian. Guess not.

You thought wrong, as usual. I'm not a libertarian.

I see nothing wrong with a local, county or state investigation of child endangerment. Are you of the opinion that allowing parents to withhold medical care from their children should be a protected practice?

KILLER_CLOWN
05-20-2013, 01:27 PM
You thought wrong, as usual. I'm not a libertarian.

I see nothing wrong with a local, county or state investigation of child endangerment. Are you of the opinion that allowing parents to withhold medical care from their children should be a protected practice?

Some people like to think I come in a red suit with pitchfork and that's fine, truth is I wear what suits me at the time.

ClevelandBronco
05-20-2013, 01:34 PM
Some people like to think I come in a red suit with pitchfork and that's fine, truth is I wear what suits me at the time.

Pleased to meet you...

KILLER_CLOWN
05-20-2013, 01:35 PM
Pleased to meet you...

I think it went over your head.

ClevelandBronco
05-20-2013, 01:44 PM
I think it went over your head.

Perhaps. I thought that you were insinuating that I was acting as Satan or at least helping our enemy do his work.

I responded with a line from Sympathy for the Devil to introduce myself as him.

What did I miss?

KILLER_CLOWN
05-20-2013, 01:47 PM
Perhaps. I thought that you were insinuating that I was acting as Satan or at least helping our enemy do his work.

I responded with a line from Sympathy for the Devil to introduce myself as him.

What did I miss?

LMAO ok...

Amnorix
05-20-2013, 01:48 PM
Who cares about what goes in in Great Britain.


Is the MMR vaccine different in Britain? Are humans? Does the science of biology apply differently?

You myopic idiot.

Donger
05-20-2013, 01:54 PM
Is the MMR vaccine different in Britain? Are humans? Does the science of biology apply differently?

You myopic idiot.

It's just part of her British fetish. I knew she'd write something like that when I posted it. She's nothing if not easy...

LMAO

However, I do wonder if she cares that there's now a small outbreak of measles in NYC. Apparently, either a Brit or someone who visited the UK took the bug back with them.

ClevelandBronco
05-20-2013, 01:54 PM
LMAO ok...

Does that mean that I missed your meaning entirely?

Pawnmower
05-20-2013, 02:29 PM
Does that mean that I missed your meaning entirely?

no it means HE missed yours i believe

but i dont speak 'foot in mouth'

KILLER_CLOWN
05-20-2013, 02:50 PM
no it means HE missed yours i believe

but i dont speak 'foot in mouth'

Maybe you have hoof in mouth.

KILLER_CLOWN
05-20-2013, 02:51 PM
Does that mean that I missed your meaning entirely?

No, your reaction was right on point as if you were playing the part.

cosmo20002
05-20-2013, 03:39 PM
It's just part of her British fetish regarding anything deviating from the most strict libertarian ideology. I knew she'd write something like that when I posted it. She's nothing if not easy...



fyp

KChiefer
05-20-2013, 03:59 PM
BEPerbole

BucEyedPea
05-20-2013, 04:41 PM
KThiefer

Cephalic Trauma
05-20-2013, 05:10 PM
No shit? Never saw this coming.

/said nobody with a hint of scientific literacy

KC native
05-20-2013, 07:10 PM
BEPerbole

ROFL

tiptap
05-21-2013, 09:32 AM
Who cares about what goes in in Great Britain.

Care to guess what state, in the Union, led in the most dramatic drop in MMR vaccinations? It might be good to look at what happened in England, especially Wales, when their vaccination rates dropped. Thank you Missouri for being first. (not the worst absolutely, but working harder to get there than anyone else.)

tiptap
05-21-2013, 09:49 AM
I guess luckily Missouri is only 3rd in dropped rates for DTP vaccinations. The trouble is that we are below effective levels for both Diphtheria and Pertussis to go with Measles. (Tetanus isn't passed between people so just avoid environmental exposure, you know rusty nails.)

BucEyedPea
05-21-2013, 10:32 AM
Care to guess what state, in the Union, led in the most dramatic drop in MMR vaccinations? It might be good to look at what happened in England, especially Wales, when their vaccination rates dropped. Thank you Missouri for being first. (not the worst absolutely, but working harder to get there than anyone else.)

I don't care. If you and your children are vaccinated, you shouldn't worry. Sounds to me like you have not real faith your vaccinations will protect you.

Now leave others alone.

BucEyedPea
05-21-2013, 10:34 AM
I guess luckily Missouri is only 3rd in dropped rates for DTP vaccinations. The trouble is that we are below effective levels for both Diphtheria and Pertussis to go with Measles. (Tetanus isn't passed between people so just avoid environmental exposure, you know rusty nails.)

The govt's schedule for vaccinations are too many, too soon for young babies who are developing their immune systems. There's an MD who recommends a much safer schedule. If the govt just backed off on their harmful schedule, you may not have received the blowback from the anti vaccine crowd. Take a look at yourselves and how you're responsible.

tiptap
05-21-2013, 12:02 PM
The choice of time to immunize is not just to protect those actually immunized by the needle. It is true that we do not immunize everyone of every age. The times of immunization are chosen to protect those who are not being immunize BECAUSE they are two young or because their immune system is compromised. So while the individuals that are actually immunize do obtain protection (and I and the rest of my family are all up to date with immunizations including HPV), the rest of the population is also protected if the rates are high enough. The MD who suggests a different schedule is involved in the hysteria about Autism and its disproved cause of MMR vaccine which has now morphed to too many inoculations into short of time.

KILLER_CLOWN
05-21-2013, 12:06 PM
The choice of time to immunize is not just to protect those actually immunized by the needle. It is true that we do not immunize everyone of every age. The times of immunization are chosen to protect those who are not being immunize BECAUSE they are two young or because their immune system is compromised. So while the individuals that are actually immunize do obtain protection (and I and the rest of my family are all up to date with immunizations including HPV), the rest of the population is also protected if the rates are high enough. The MD who suggests a different schedule is involved in the hysteria about Autism and its disproved cause of MMR vaccine which has now morphed to too many inoculations into short of time.

You should have Measles surgery to be protected.

tiptap
05-22-2013, 08:15 AM
After talking to my wife about Pertussis, I should modify information on that disease and vaccine. The original DPT vaccine used whole cell bacteria. It takes all the shots to give immunity. This vaccine did sometimes with children give spikes in fever and even seizures. This was even more likely, to the point that it was not given, to adults. It had been felt that immunizing this young population would serve to protect infants who are the real population that die in large numbers when they have the disease. The sometimes side effects had no proven long term effect and so was used. The new DPT uses partial cells and proteins from the bacteria and it can be used on Adults. It is this population that also could inoculate infants that are much more susceptible to death, strikingly, with whooping cough. It is also less effective in insuring immunity. It is recommended to Adults now as well as children. So yes, I do not take vaccines for my protection per se. I take them for the babies that have been born. This is a direct example the fallacy of individual concern leading to correct answers for the benefit of the vast, overwhelming majority.

BucEyedPea
05-22-2013, 08:26 AM
People have a right to refuse medical treatment.

tiptap
05-22-2013, 08:37 AM
I am just telling the science. That the overall results will be better for everyone if everyone complies. That is the knowledge. And of course given the knowledge the rational, economic best solution would be to comply. So don't live by your chosen philosophy when it doesn't suit your irrational qualms. No one is physically enforcing this. But the results of ignoring the information is real.

mr. tegu
05-22-2013, 08:55 AM
I don't think BEP pulls over to the side of the road for passing emergency vehicles because it infringes upon her rights.

BucEyedPea
05-22-2013, 08:56 AM
I don't think BEP pulls over to the side of the road for passing emergency vehicles because it infringes upon her rights.

Nope. I do.

Your logic is flawed, because it's not the same category of thing.