Kelvin Benjamin tears ACL (According to Ian Rapoport)

[Al Bundy]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It’s a torn ACL for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Panthers?src=hash">#Panthers</a> WR Kelvin Benjamin</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/634114996918702080">August 19, 2015</a></blockquote>
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[thabear04]

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000512969/article/kelvin-benjamin-diagnosed-with-torn-left-acl

The Carolina Panthers' worst fears were realized when the MRI results came back on Kelvin Benjamin's Wednesday morning knee injury.

The second-year wide receiver will need surgery for a torn ACL, NFL Media Insider Ian Rapoport reported.

Panthers coach Ron Rivera initially said the team believed Benjamin suffered a sprained left knee.

Around The NFL will have more on this story shortly.

[chiefzilla1501]

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">It’s a torn ACL for <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/Panthers?src=hash">#Panthers</a> WR Kelvin Benjamin</p>&mdash; Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) <a href="https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/634114996918702080">August 19, 2015</a></blockquote>
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I said it before, I'll say it again... These limited offseason conditioning programs are bad for players. So I still don't understand the players Union backing this bs. There is specific conditioning to help reduce acl and mcl issues and they get put on the back burner.

[DaneMcCloud]

Great job, Carl!

[MotherfuckerJones]

Sucks for them. But he'll be good to go next season.

[Titty Meat]

I said it before, I'll say it again... These limited offseason conditioning programs are bad for players. So I still don't understand the players Union backing this bs. There is specific conditioning to help reduce acl and mcl issues and they get put on the back burner.

Huh? That has nothing to do with a knee injury.

[Urc Burry]

Cam can't get a break. Funchess is also hurt.. Not that I expected much from him anyway. Hated him coming out

[keg in kc]

In the same practice as the Dolphins safety Delmas? Going down like flies...

[Valiant]

Huh? That has nothing to do with a knee injury.

To a point it does. Most of these guys do not train year round like they should. They come in fat and lazy and have less time to get ready before preseason games. There seems to be more injuries now.

[ChiefsLV]

To a point it does. Most of these guys do not train year round like they should. They come in fat and lazy and have less time to get ready before preseason games. There seems to be more injuries now.

Were the limited practices in place in 2000ish when Sylvester Morris tore up his knee?

[ThaVirus]

Huh? That has nothing to do with a knee injury.

Why wouldn't it?

[SAUTO]

We have a thread about this but not one about March tearing his meniscus?

[Mr. Inmem]

Imagine if he did this during a preseason game. All hell would break loose.

[rico]

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/Ec7rCsNFn30/hqdefault.jpg

"Man am I glad I didn't draft THAT guy."

[mdchiefsfan]

I said it before, I'll say it again... These limited offseason conditioning programs are bad for players. So I still don't understand the players Union backing this bs. There is specific conditioning to help reduce acl and mcl issues and they get put on the back burner.

Agreed. I'd love to see the numbers on injuries last CBS compared to this one.

[chiefzilla1501]

Agreed. I'd love to see the numbers on injuries last CBS compared to this one.

As long as the numbers don't come from the nfl, because they manipulate the numbers quite a bit.

[The Bad Guy]

I said it before, I'll say it again... These limited offseason conditioning programs are bad for players. So I still don't understand the players Union backing this bs. There is specific conditioning to help reduce acl and mcl issues and they get put on the back burner.

I can't stop laughing at the fact that you don't think these guys condition themselves away from the team in the months that there's no scheduled activities - especially wide receivers.

[chiefzilla1501]

I can't stop laughing at the fact that you don't think these guys condition themselves away from the team in the months that there's no scheduled activities - especially wide receivers.

I don't know where the source is, but there was I think a Steelers trainer who specifically pointed out that ACL conditioning isn't sexy and so players don't generally do them unless specifically told to. And in many cases, coaches are cutting this conditioning out of offseason programs because they have to cram so much shit into a short period of time. Bellichick specifically said players come in ill-prepared for things you can only practice on the field. And when they're ill-prepared, they make mistakes that lead to injuries.

But this is a much better piece about ACL injuries. There is conditioning that can be done and a belief that not all players are great at keeping up with conditioning when not under watch. And even so, it's not "football shape."

http://lermagazine.com/news/in-the-moment-sports-medicine/the-nfls-acl-issue-experts-debate-contributing-factors

[SeeingRed]

Big loss for them

[Smed1065]

I can't stop laughing at the fact that you don't think these guys condition themselves away from the team in the months that there's no scheduled activities - especially wide receivers.

Only if they do not want to stay. NFL.

[ChiefsCountry]

Were the limited practices in place in 2000ish when Sylvester Morris tore up his knee?

2001 - Mini Camp

[notorious]

Seriously, someone needs to do some research to show how many games lost/seasons lost due to injury by year.

Seems like every year we say,"It's getting worse", but nobody really has a clue.

[Brock]

Has zero to do with "football shape" which is just bullshit coach speak. These guys are faster and stronger and heavier than ever and they're naturally stressing structural components more than before. There's no way for a freak like kelvin benjamin to get his acl into "football shape".

[88TG88]

Our draft was sunday, I drafted him...


:'(

[chiefzilla1501]

Seriously, someone needs to do some research to show how many games lost/seasons lost due to injury by year.

Seems like every year we say,"It's getting worse", but nobody really has a clue.

Huh? Simple Google search is your friend. Arguably, the stats are due to better reporting of injuries, but it's a clear case where everybody feels it and the stats easily reflect it. We're barely a week into the preseason and already the injury report is blowing up.

http://www.mensjournal.com/adventure/races-sports/the-startling-rise-of-nfl-preseason-injuries-20140822
http://www.edgewortheconomics.com/experience-and-news/edgewords-blogs/edgewords/article:08-29-2013-analysis-of-nfl-injuries/
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2015/2014-adjusted-games-lost
"The league-average AGL went from 67.6 in 2013 to is 74.3, making it four years in a row that injury totals around the league went up in our AGL database (complete for 2002-2014)"

[chiefzilla1501]

Has zero to do with "football shape" which is just bullshit coach speak. These guys are faster and stronger and heavier than ever and they're naturally stressing structural components more than before. There's no way for a freak like kelvin benjamin to get his acl into "football shape".

So when you say there's no way to condition an ACL, that's disputing the doctor in the article I posted and the many doctors that say "there are ways"?

Why is it that ACL/MCL tears happen more often in the preseason / early season? Why do injuries increase on Thursday night football on short rest? Why do NFL holdouts, even those in peak physical condition, never play right away and when they do they're usually less effective early on? Really? We're going to argue that running in shorts is the same as contact drills and playing with your pads on, let alone playing in an actual game?

Are there people really ganging up on me saying "prove it" that injuries are on the rise? Are people actually disputing that the return to a regular offseason program including team conditioning programs and easing players in could reduce risk of injury?

[chiefzilla1501]

One more point... the Eagles under Chip Kelly, who are known for taking a very proactive "sports science" approach to reducing injuries, ranked #2 and #1 in consecutive years under Kelly's watch in AGL (adjusted games lost). But by all means, let's pretend that teams can't proactively prevent injuries.

[-King-]

To a point it does. Most of these guys do not train year round like they should. They come in fat and lazy and have less time to get ready before preseason games. There seems to be more injuries now.

What? You'd be hard pressed to find a player that doesn't workout damn near year round. They may take a month off, but any successful player works their ass off in the off season.
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[-King-]

Huh? Simple Google search is your friend. Arguably, the stats are due to better reporting of injuries, but it's a clear case where everybody feels it and the stats easily reflect it. We're barely a week into the preseason and already the injury report is blowing up.

http://www.mensjournal.com/adventure/races-sports/the-startling-rise-of-nfl-preseason-injuries-20140822
http://www.edgewortheconomics.com/experience-and-news/edgewords-blogs/edgewords/article:08-29-2013-analysis-of-nfl-injuries/
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2015/2014-adjusted-games-lost
"The league-average AGL went from 67.6 in 2013 to is 74.3, making it four years in a row that injury totals around the league went up in our AGL database (complete for 2002-2014)"

According to a long time ref, in the last 5 years, players have become much faster and stronger and quicker than any time before it. That has A LOT to do with tearing your ACL.

Just look at the chiefs. We have multiple guys who can run 4.3s. And that's just one te. When could you have said that in the last? The faster and stronger players are, the more they're likely to tear something.

Has nothing to do with the off season program or them practicing less.
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[chiefzilla1501]

According to a long time ref, in the last 5 years, players have become much faster and stronger and quicker than any time before it. That has A LOT to do with tearing your ACL.

Just look at the chiefs. We have multiple guys who can run 4.3s. And that's just one te. When could you have said that in the last? The faster and stronger players are, the more they're likely to tear something.

Has nothing to do with the off season program or them practicing less.
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So again... why is all this stuff happening early on in the season and preseason? These players are just as fast and strong midseason as they were early on.

How do you explain the Eagles' remarkable record of preventing injuries given that Kelly's program is built around putting monitors around players to avoid overwork or dehydration?

Why are doctors suggesting there is preventative conditioning for ACL tears?

These all point to the obvious that a lot of injuries are being caused by players getting overworked way too early. Sure, players are getting bigger, faster, stronger... but it also seems like common sense that the ridiculous new CBA offseason rules can't be helping players get into football shape.

[the Talking Can]

Our draft was sunday, I drafted him...


:'(

I was going to draft him next week...huge blow for Carolina, and anyone who drafted newton

[ChiliConCarnage]

Our draft was sunday, I drafted him...


:'(

Ouch. I was going to keeper him in the 8th. Now I'm not sure what to do..

[88TG88]

Ok, so since my fantasy team took a hit my friend offered me this trade to help me. I give up Dez Bryant for AJ green and Mike Wallace

What does CP think ?

[ThaVirus]

Dez Bryant is a monster, AJ Green's been hurt a bit lately and I've never liked Mike Wallace.

[MotherfuckerJones]

I wouldn't do the trade

[Smed1065]

Ok, so since my fantasy team took a hit my friend offered me this trade to help me. I give up Dez Bryant for AJ green and Mike Wallace

What does CP think ?

Last year was crazy. 2 of 3 of my top draft picked were out week 2.

Yes but

Does he have Cobb? :)

[88TG88]

He has Brandon Marshall too, but Im good on that

[rabblerouser]

I said it before, I'll say it again... These limited offseason conditioning programs are bad for players. So I still don't understand the players Union backing this bs. There is specific conditioning to help reduce acl and mcl issues and they get put on the back burner.

Yup.

[Chiefnj2]

http://www.edgewortheconomics.com/experience-and-news/edgewords-blogs/edgewords/article:08-29-2013-analysis-of-nfl-injuries/

[the Talking Can]

Ok, so since my fantasy team took a hit my friend offered me this trade to help me. I give up Dez Bryant for AJ green and Mike Wallace

What does CP think ?

i think he's confused the word 'help' with 'fleece'