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BossChief
09-23-2015, 04:24 PM
Straight beast mode article from AP

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/9/23/9378957/jaye-howard-is-turning-into-a-monster

staylor26
09-23-2015, 04:36 PM
People thought I was crazy when I said our run defense would be better with him at NT.

This defense is going to be the best in the NFL when we get Sean Smith back and Poe is in football shape.

TambaBerry
09-23-2015, 04:48 PM
Poe/Howard/Bailey

Needs to be our d line

TLO
09-23-2015, 05:02 PM
Yep.

ModSocks
09-23-2015, 05:05 PM
Pretty sure me and DJ called that shit months ago while people here were jockin' Catapano.

Welcome to the bandwagon, scrubs.

DaneMcCloud
09-23-2015, 05:09 PM
Pretty sure me and DJ called that shit months ago while people here were jockin' Catapano.

Welcome to the bandwagon, scrubs.

I'm certain that DJ told me that it would overpaying Howard to offer him the same deal as Bailey, as I suggested in August.

:D

The Franchise
09-23-2015, 05:24 PM
I've been saying he'd be awesome since the day he was born.

Titty Meat
09-23-2015, 05:28 PM
If there's questions about Poes back who do you give the money to?

milkman
09-23-2015, 05:31 PM
Pretty sure me and DJ called that shit months ago while people here were jockin' Catapano.

Welcome to the bandwagon, scrubs.

Pretty sure no one cares, since I have no idea who the hell you are.

Deberg_1990
09-23-2015, 05:40 PM
Another solid raid that Dorsey got from Seattle right?

Saccopoo
09-23-2015, 05:42 PM
Another solid raid that Dorsey got from Seattle right?

Yep.

the Talking Can
09-23-2015, 05:44 PM
Another solid raid that Dorsey got from Seattle right?

yeah, major kudos to dorsey, and the coaches...howard fucking wrecked denver's ol

the Talking Can
09-23-2015, 05:45 PM
Poe/Howard/Bailey

Needs to be our d line

i hope we can afford it

Saccopoo
09-23-2015, 05:51 PM
Pretty sure me and DJ called that shit months ago while people here were jockin' Catapano.

Welcome to the bandwagon, scrubs.

Good call penbrook jr.

pugsnotdrugs19
09-23-2015, 06:11 PM
If we can move Poe to end and keep Howard at NT.... holy ****.

Also, not sure how everyone else feels but right now I take Howard over Poe long term (even though should be able to keep both.) The guy is DESTROYING run plays consistently. Poe's back would be the deal breaker there for me. Sign Howard now, sign Poe next offseason.

BossChief
09-23-2015, 06:20 PM
Poe would be an AMAZING end...IMO better than what he was at NT.

What a find Howard has been, though.

pugsnotdrugs19
09-23-2015, 06:22 PM
A front 5 of Hali-Poe-Howard-Bailey-Houston is the best front in the NFL and no one can begin to convince me otherwise. If Ford steps it up, that'll be a stout group for years.

notorious
09-23-2015, 06:22 PM
Sutton hates rotating people in, so he will probably ride the bench.

BossChief
09-23-2015, 06:26 PM
Pretty sure no one cares, since I have no idea who the hell you are.

Remember our conversation about moving Poe to end a few years back? Having a guy like Howard at nose and Poe at end could be a dominating front. By years end, this defense is gonna be nasty.

ModSocks
09-23-2015, 06:29 PM
Pretty sure no one cares, since I have no idea who the hell you are.

Good call penbrook jr.

Haaaateeeers

thabear04
09-23-2015, 06:35 PM
Chiefs' Jaye Howard is turning into a monster

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This is not going to be a full film review of Jaye Howard.

That'll come later, when I don't have a trial coming up and I've spent a LITTLE less time on this job for the week (my wife and boss are both very cool, but there are limits. Like, when I haven't talked to my kids in something close to three days type limits. Whatever, they're tough).

For now, let's suffice it to say that Howard played really, really, really well against the Broncos last Thursday. As in, "he was the best defensive lineman on the field for both teams" well.

Remember last season, when C.J. Anderson spent the entire second Broncos game running wild all over the Chiefs and the fact that Manning looked terrible was rendered irrelevant? Did you wonder why Thursday night didn't look like that? Or did you assume that it was Mike DeVito, Derrick Johnson, and Eric Berry being back?

Look, those guys helped, don't get me wrong. But a lot of the time when Denver got stuffed in their running game, it looked like some version of this...

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Seriously, Jaye Howard is getting ridiculous. Look at that first step, just destroys this play before it can start. <a href="http://t.co/zdwVNzN52m">pic.twitter.com/zdwVNzN52m</a></p>&mdash; Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/646523185840582656">September 23, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Howard doesn't get the tackle there, because the runner (while losing his balance after the spinning off Howard and that poor center) doesn't "officially" go down until he's touched by DeVito. But make no mistake, Howard was what ruined that play for the Broncos. His presence in the backfield wrecked any chance for the runner to set up his blockers or make a decision about where to go.

The next time someone starts citing tackle stats as a way of gauging defenders, feel free to show them that play. It's a wonderful example of how stats fall short. There really ought to be a "blew up the play and ruined it but didn't record the tackle" stat.

And please believe me, that was not the only time Howard destroyed a rushing play. He was doing it all night.

I KNEW IF I GOT A ONE-ON-ONE WITH THE CENTER, I COULD DESTROY HIM
-JAYE HOWARD

"I knew if I got a one-on-one with the center, I could destroy him," Howard told our own Joel Thorman after the game. "He's a smaller guy. So I got one-on-ones."

He recorded at LEAST a half dozen plays I would qualify as "stuffs" (stuffing the RB to a yard or so). Denver's zone blocking system relies on offensive linemen getting to the correct place and walling off defenders. Howard is much, much too agile and athletic for that to work.

Seriously, somewhere along the way Howard started doing his best Dontari Poe impression when it comes to his ability to move for a big man.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Jaye Howard is starting to look like a Poe clone. So quick, steps around 2 consecutive blocks to stuff run. <a href="http://t.co/3L3EcMLFRU">pic.twitter.com/3L3EcMLFRU</a></p>&mdash; Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/646489309361541122">September 23, 2015</a></blockquote>
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Howard flashed some plays like this last year (when he would get a great first step and cause a stuff), but he wasn't able to do it on a consistent basis. When he didn't "win" with his first step, he was often getting washed out of plays by double teams or even individual blockers. His leverage (via footwork) and his strength just weren't up to par when it came time to simply "hold the line" and not give ground, or on running plays where he needed to stand firm and move laterally toward the ball (he would get moved backward in that situation).

Howard mentioned this offseason that he had put on some weight and strength. At the time it was easy to disregard (seriously, how many times do we hear a player is "stronger, faster, in the best shape of his life, etc." in the offseason), but the work that he's put into getting stronger in both his lower and upper body (as well as his improved footwork) has become really apparent.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Howard gets into OL&#39;s pads, controls him, goes nowhere, then sheds to make the stuff. He had a fantastic game. <a href="http://t.co/Mxcd83QqRG">pic.twitter.com/Mxcd83QqRG</a></p>&mdash; Seth Keysor (@RealMNchiefsfan) <a href="https://twitter.com/RealMNchiefsfan/status/646496540303888384">September 23, 2015</a></blockquote>
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What separates players with "potential" who "flash occasionally" from good players is the ability to not only make the occasional flash play but consistently not suck. Seriously, it's that simple. Every player in the NFL has the talent to make an occasional flash play. CONSISTENCY is the key, though. You have to be solid the majority of the time to make it at the NFL level.

Howard flashed potential last year, but wasn't able to be consistent on those every-down, mundane type plays. He'd get pushed down the field. Well now, he's not only holding his own but is actively making big plays when asked to hold at the point of attack.

We're only two games in, and small sample size rules dictate that we need to at least SOMEWHAT keep our heads when it comes to Howard. But as of this moment, he appears to have massively improved from last season ... a season in which he had massively improved from the year before. I cannot remember a time I've seen a player make two consecutive "jumps" from year to year as dramatic as the ones Howard has made.

This will be a situation to keep an eye on moving forward. If Howard continues to play this well he's going to force Bob Sutton into the tough (but wonderful) position of having to sit Mike DeVito more often to get a defensive front of Howard / Poe / Bailey on the field at the same time. We saw that front more than once against Denver and it appeared to do some damage.

In the meantime, I hope to enjoy many more plays like the ones above. I'm going to go dream dreams of an elite defensive line now.

milkman
09-23-2015, 06:54 PM
Remember our conversation about moving Poe to end a few years back? Having a guy like Howard at nose and Poe at end could be a dominating front. By years end, this defense is gonna be nasty.

If the primary reason for Sutton's unwillingness to rotate players has been the talent dropoff, then the emegence of Howard, along with the return of DeVito, who appears to be better than he was, should alleviate that.

Saccopoo
09-23-2015, 07:36 PM
If the primary reason for Sutton's unwillingness to rotate players has been the talent dropoff, then the emegence of Howard, along with the return of DeVito, who appears to be better than he was, should alleviate that.

It will be interesting to see what they do with Poe once he comes back fully healthy.

Does Sutton start running him at end like Baltimore did with Ngata to take advantage of his initial burst and strength, letting Howard (who already seems to be a better run defender) take the 0 gap position a la Kelly Gregg in a quasi 46 defense that Sutton has run on occasion?

Mr. Flopnuts
09-23-2015, 07:45 PM
I've been saying he'd be awesome since the day he was born.

ROFL these clowns...

jspchief
09-23-2015, 08:03 PM
I've been saying he'd be awesome since the day he was born.
I called it when his mom hit puberty.

milkman
09-23-2015, 08:13 PM
My mom and dad called it in 1958, which is why my middle name is Howard.

CoMoChief
09-23-2015, 08:27 PM
He's playing like a pro bowler right now...hope he keeps it up.

Bailey, Poe, Howard is a pretty good 34 front.

Sutton already fields one of if not the best LB corps in the NFL, and once Sean Smith comes back and Berry gets into better shape he'll field one of the best secondaries in the NFL.

If I'm Sutton I'm smiling sitting pretty....still can't stop Peyton Manning's 2-min drill though....fucking irritating as hell.

CoMoChief
09-23-2015, 08:31 PM
This Peters kid is a fuckin' player. Can't wait to have 2 really good cover corners. Even though I won't think it will happen I hope the Chiefs sign Sean Smith to a deal. I think they drafted Peters as his replacement and to ultimately have Gaines play the #2 CB spot. Oh well..it'd be really nice though to have both.

Easy 6
09-23-2015, 08:50 PM
That was definitely cool, loved the second and third clips.

#2 keeps his hands and feet moving to push through 2 attempted blocks.

#3 stalemates his man while keeping his eye on the ball and knows how to get off to make the open field tackle.

He knows how to watch the ball while working his man/men and not get too caught up in that battle.

With this guy around, its very easy to get into the idea of Poe at DE... that lineup of Poe/Howard/Bailey is downright spooky I tells ya.

cdcox
09-23-2015, 08:56 PM
Clip 2 is as insane as any DT sack. Rare combination of instinct, strength and quickness. Just sick.

Shaid
09-23-2015, 09:11 PM
My mom and dad called it in 1958, which is why my middle name is Howard.

If you look at the back of the dollar bill, directly below the Pyramid, you see Howard's name. This is the work of the Free Masons and has been foretold for hundreds of years.

staylor26
09-23-2015, 09:13 PM
The second clip reminded me. Mauga actually played a pretty good game. He's had two solid weeks in a row. Not bad at all.

xztop123
09-23-2015, 09:28 PM
it looked like we were running stunts in all those plays.

I dont remember doing that as much with Poe in

TimBone
09-23-2015, 09:29 PM
THAT'S MY BOY

Strongside
09-23-2015, 09:34 PM
THAT'S MY BOY

You do know that's not Jaye Howard in your sig, right?

Saccopoo
09-23-2015, 09:35 PM
The second clip reminded me. Mauga actually played a pretty good game. He's had two solid weeks in a row. Not bad at all.

You shut your whore mouth.

Saccopoo
09-23-2015, 09:37 PM
You do know that's not Jaye Howard in your sig, right?

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-7JOlahB-cjs/TjZQiYsnhBI/AAAAAAAAAPE/JaqOk4SKFoo/w506-h750/ROFLCOPTER.gif

wazu
09-23-2015, 09:39 PM
People thought I was out of my MIND when I said Jaye Howard would take our D to the next level. I received PMs round-the-clock from doubters who just laughed at me. "HHAHAAHAHAHHA!!!" they kept saying! It eventually affected my home life as the phone would ring and when I answered it would just be people laughing.

Well fuck you all. I was right!

Strongside
09-23-2015, 09:41 PM
LMAO I don't even know who that guy is.

ADOPT A CHIEF
http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/ActorsW/18254-27244.gif
JAYE HOWARD

Saccopoo
09-23-2015, 09:46 PM
LMAO I don't even know who that guy is.

ADOPT A CHIEF
http://www.wearysloth.com/Gallery/ActorsW/18254-27244.gif
JAYE HOWARD

Idi Amin?

Strongside
09-23-2015, 09:47 PM
Idi Amin?

Nah bro that's definitely Jaye Howard.

Saccopoo
09-23-2015, 09:47 PM
http://i.imgur.com/oDdsuQm.gif

Strongside
09-23-2015, 09:49 PM
Wait, nevermind. This is definitely him:

http://9.media.bustedtees.cvcdn.com/0/-/bustedtees.2203dd40-4548-4656-8a90-31c4476a.gif

Shaid
09-23-2015, 09:51 PM
http://s3.amazonaws.com/wootdesigncontestentries/SamoaJoe/Miley_Cyrus_with_A_Large_Black_Man-9yej8p-d.jpg

jonzie04
09-23-2015, 09:54 PM
Quote from the article "I cannot remember a time I've seen a player make two consecutive "jumps" from year to year as dramatic as the ones Howard has made."

It really is incredible when you think about it.

Year 1 here Undersized DE, a complete nobody fighting for a 53 man spot.
Year 2 here Solid player, good run stuffing DE
Year 3 here A face raping destroyer of Offensive lineman at any spot along the d line who must be double teamed, or he will almost certainly annihilate your running back.

staylor26
09-23-2015, 09:58 PM
You shut your whore mouth.

It still fucking sucks March had to get hurt, but at least Mauga hasn't been a complete liability so far.

TimBone
09-23-2015, 10:30 PM
My boy finna ball out on A-Rod!

ThaVirus
09-23-2015, 11:16 PM
He has impressed

DaKCMan AP
09-24-2015, 07:18 AM
Please.

Florida boy going ape isn't a surprise.

DaKCMan AP drafted in him the 2012 CP Mock (http://work.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=9349415)

DaKCMan AP targeted him as a player to watch in the senior bowl (http://work.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=255394)

and

DaKCMan AP gave Seattle props for drafting him (http://74.86.127.27-static.reverse.softlayer.com/BB/showpost.php?p=8577401&postcount=3699)
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the Talking Can
09-24-2015, 07:59 AM
i called this in a note i wrote in my friend's high school yearbook, circa 1991

Strongside
09-24-2015, 08:22 AM
"I was right about Jaye Howard. I called that shit the night he was conceived."

-All of CP

wazu
09-24-2015, 08:47 AM
"I was right about Jaye Howard. I called that shit the night he was conceived."

-All of CP

Last night I predicted you were going to post this. Everybody said I was crazy!

bricks
09-24-2015, 09:35 AM
Uh oh. Look out.

Howard is hulking up. He's gonna turn green.

His eyes are turning red and his muscles are getting bigger and they're gonna rip his shirts and pants apart. Watch out!

TimBone
09-24-2015, 10:11 AM
i called this in a note i wrote in my friend's high school yearbook, circa 1991
LMAO

loochy
09-24-2015, 10:13 AM
Uh oh. Look out.

Howard is hulking up. He's gonna turn green.

His eyes are turning red and his muscles are getting bigger and they're gonna rip his shirts and pants apart. Watch out!

Did he eat Catapano or something?

TimBone
09-24-2015, 10:35 AM
Did he eat Catapano or something?
Impossibru. Catapano is busy rewriting the history books regarding sacks with the Jets.

Saccopoo
09-24-2015, 11:50 AM
Uh oh. Look out.

Howard is hulking up. He's gonna turn green.

His eyes are turning red and his muscles are getting bigger and they're gonna rip his shirts and pants apart. Watch out!

Sorry, but Allen Bailey has already done that...

http://i38.tinypic.com/dcg0i8.jpg

http://canespace.typepad.com/.a/6a00e008c672588834011571638f8c970c-320wi

RealSNR
09-24-2015, 01:52 PM
What do we call him?

Country Rape?

Retarded rapist strong?

the Talking Can
09-24-2015, 02:22 PM
Retarded rapist strong?

can i wear that on a t-shirt?

Titty Meat
09-24-2015, 02:36 PM
Please.

Florida boy going ape isn't a surprise.

DaKCMan AP drafted in him the 2012 CP Mock (http://work.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?p=9349415)

DaKCMan AP targeted him as a player to watch in the senior bowl (http://work.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?t=255394)

and

DaKCMan AP gave Seattle props for drafting him (http://74.86.127.27-static.reverse.softlayer.com/BB/showpost.php?p=8577401&postcount=3699)
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All this means is Dakc is awesome

Eleazar
09-24-2015, 03:05 PM
Did he eat Catapano or something?

Jaye Howard eats CP training camp heroes for breakfast.

Dunerdr
09-24-2015, 04:40 PM
Jaye Howard eats CP training camp heroes for breakfast.

Stop it your scaring me