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nychief
04-28-2002, 03:42 PM
need I say more...:cuss:

tk13
04-28-2002, 04:01 PM
Oh come on...today was only the 5th time KC's been shutout in 15 losses. We got 4 hits too. And look, we held Baltimore to 13 runs and only let them score in 7 of the 9 innings. :D

Seriously though, I'm beginning to think he may not last much longer. I definitely can understand the argument he's never had pitching to work with. But he's always had a decent core of hitters and this team isn't hitting. Not good when your forte is supposed to be as hitting coach.

Rausch
04-28-2002, 04:06 PM
What good what it do to fire him?

We'd still have some of the worst talent in MLB, and we'd still have one of the smallest payroll's in the league.

You could bring in the Uber-skip from the Yankees and this team still wouldn't make the playoffs....


:banghead:

Mr. Laz
04-28-2002, 04:54 PM
Originally posted by BRAD_CAUDLE
What good what it do to fire him?

You could bring in the Uber-skip from the Yankees and this team still wouldn't make the playoffs....

:banghead:
exactly :thumb:

if you wanna fire someone and have it REALLY, REALLY help the Royals then start yelling for Donald Fear to get the ax.

until the player's association agrees/forced to accept a salary cap major league baseball is not viable in smaller population areas.

there is just too much money in the T.V. and Radio contracts that are based on population. (new york 15 million, kansas city 3 million)

salary cap and profit sharing= baseball is good again

NOTHING else really matters

Dave Lane
04-28-2002, 04:55 PM
Its time for him to go. I was at the game Saturday night and a change has to be made. Its not like its all his fault but its time to put some hope back in the players and fans. He's had his chance and the Royals keep getting worse not better. Time to move on.

Dave

Sure-Oz
04-28-2002, 05:05 PM
Damn the royals suck, i dont know though, the rockies are doing pretty bad.

Alphaman
04-28-2002, 07:22 PM
Originally posted by lazarus

exactly :thumb:

if you wanna fire someone and have it REALLY, REALLY help the Royals then start yelling for Donald Fear to get the ax.

until the player's association agrees/forced to accept a salary cap major league baseball is not viable in smaller population areas.

there is just too much money in the T.V. and Radio contracts that are based on population. (new york 15 million, kansas city 3 million)

salary cap and profit sharing= baseball is good again

NOTHING else really matters

I agree in part. But I think revenue sharing has to happen first. In MLB you basically have 3 parties. The big market owners, the small market owners, and the players. Until the owners get on the same page and want all teams to compete equally, then there is no incentive for the players to accept a salary cap.

BTW....FIRE MUSER...BRING UP DENT.....NOW!!!!!

Dalex
04-28-2002, 08:32 PM
There are a lot of problems with baseball. There are a lot of problems with the Royals. It is not all Muser's fault but if you are going to fire the guy, do it!

There is no way the team can have complete focus on the field when win or lose the discussion is all about Muser's job status. Will he get fired after this loss?....Did he save his job for one more game with this win?....Let's focus on baseball not off field crap.

Sure-Oz
04-28-2002, 09:04 PM
Fire bairds ass while your at it. We have a team full of backup players except Beltran and Sweeney our ace is a #3 starter at best, we need $$$ in the worst way.

Go Royals:grr:

shakesthecat
04-29-2002, 07:57 AM
Both Baird and Muser need to be shown the door.

I know, "DUH"

If getting swept at home by the lowly Orioles isn't enough reason, I don't know what is.

I'm also getting tired of the excuse that the Royals can't be competative, because they have a small payroll.

Apparently no one told that to the Twins, Expos, and Pirates.

Mr. Laz
04-29-2002, 12:09 PM
Originally posted by Alphaman


I agree in part. But I think revenue sharing has to happen first. In MLB you basically have 3 parties. The big market owners, the small market owners, and the players. Until the owners get on the same page and want all teams to compete equally, then there is no incentive for the players to accept a salary cap.


the salary cap pretty much has to happen at the same time... because why would a big market owner agree to profit sharing when a smaller owner will just use that money to jack up the market price without having any real parity impact.

profit sharing without a salary cap still leave the world series up for the highest bidder.

nope, we need a salary cap of about 65 million and complete media based profit sharing.


then baseball can be successfull in any market that has good fan support.

Bronco_Buster
04-29-2002, 01:04 PM
Can you believe Muser said the players gave all their effort in last nights embarrassment? He condoned the performance that games like just happen.

I'm with Sweeney when he said guys were just standing out there like they didn't care.

keg in kc
04-29-2002, 01:05 PM
Originally posted by lazarus
then baseball can be successfull in any market that has good fan support. And fan support would improve in markets like KC because the teams would all be on even footing year in and year out. Right now the feeling here is that there's just no way we can compete. Period. But if the teams were capped, stars wouldn't all end up in pinstripes, more franchises would be competitive and more folks than the diehards would show up at the K.

And for people who say the "small market" thing is a bogus argument, and that some small market team always seems to compete annually, I ask this question: who was the last small market team to appear in a World Series, much less win one?

When teams like the Yankee$ can afford to dish out over $100 million annually, teams that only pay $50, $60 or even $70 just can't compete. Sure they might get in a nice season here-and-there, but the teams with the big payrolls are there every year. That's the big difference.

Until that's addressed, MLB might as well be a 10-team league, because it's going to be the same horses year after year after year.

shakesthecat
04-29-2002, 03:50 PM
keg,
I never said their didn't need to be revenue sharing or a cap.
Of course there does.

My point is(poorly worded as it was) is that that the Royals can't even compete with teams that have the same cap numbers and in some cases, smaller than KC.
The Twins have been a good team for the past couple years, and yet, their cap is 7 mil less than KC's

The franchise is a total fricken joke from the top down.

I seriously doubt I'll ever see the Royals go to another WS,
but, there is no reason they can't be a +.500 team and sniff a WC now and then.

Being out of it by May 1st every year, isn't just because they don't have a 100 million payroll, it's because the Owner, GM, scouts, Manager and Coaches are as over matched and out of their league as Gunther Cunningham was.

tk13
04-29-2002, 03:56 PM
I don't disagree one bit that the big horses with the money will be the teams that are there every year and probably win the World Series every year.

I think the thing that we are learning though is that teams can still be competitive and field a winning team without shelling out 100 million dollars a year on payroll. It takes a good front office that is able to develop a young core of players that work well together and have good chemistry. It's not easy, but it can be done. The Twins, A's, etc...have fielded winners. The Royals struggle just to not be one of the 5 worst teams in the league. There is no improvement whatsoever. It's been a long time since the Royals fielded a decent team. They made a playoff push late in 95 or 96 (?)...and it looked like the youth movement was going to lead this team to finally become something. I'd totally agree that we'd have a problem keeping a good young team together..but we haven't even developed enough good talent to field a .500 team. That, I believe, is the responsiblity of the front office.

Look at the Marlins, they gutted a good team...but look at what they got in return for it. They now have the best collection of young arms in the league. Now maybe the Royals couldn't have done that, but I just don't get the feeling KC's maximized it's resources in fielding a competitve baseball team.

Sure-Oz
04-29-2002, 04:06 PM
The players have simply given up on Tony, Sweeney is pissed and has a right to be, he could've gone anywhere he wanted and gotten paid more, and had a legit shot of boosting his stats and ring count with another team than here...atleast with our current goons in the office and talent.

keg in kc
04-29-2002, 04:06 PM
Originally posted by shakesthecat
keg,
I never said their didn't need to be revenue sharing or a cap.
Of course there does.

My point is(poorly worded as it was) is that that the Royals can't even compete with teams that have the same cap numbers and in some cases, smaller than KC.
The Twins have been a good team for the past couple years, and yet, their cap is 7 mil less than KC's

The franchise is a total fricken joke from the top down.

I seriously doubt I'll ever see the Royals go to another WS,
but, there is no reason they can't be a +.500 team and sniff a WC now and then.

Being out of it by May 1st every year, isn't just because they don't have a 100 million payroll, it's because the Owner, GM, scouts, Manager and Coaches are as over matched and out of their league as Gunther Cunningham was. Well, I think the difference is that you seem to be happy with the table scraps while I want a team that can contend for championships. Just being a .500 team with an occasional sniff at the title doesn't do anything for me, because, frankly, no team like that has a chance in hell of actually winning a world series. Take Minnesota for example: competitive? yes. contending? oh hell no. They're just as out of it on May 1st (I say we're all out of it on April 1st) as the Royals are, because they have no chance of winning the fall classic. Sure they have a nice regular season record to look at, I guess, but that's not the goal, at least for me (hey, another Chiefs parallel! :)).

That's the point I was trying to make. I won't argue with anyone who has issues with the Royals front office, because I have the same issues, but in the end, we could have the best managment team in the league and it still won't matter, because we'll never be able to afford a team talented enough to compete with the top tier markets. It's just not possible.

What concerns me the most is that there will be a fluke small market/cheap championship team, a one hit wonder, and the big market owners will use it to say "see, there's no problem with baseball."

One winner a decade isn't too bad for us poor folks outside major metropolitan areas, right? :shake:

shakesthecat
04-30-2002, 08:08 AM
Well unfortunately, the reality is, there isn't revenue sharing or a cap in place, and the prospects of there being one anytime soon, don't look very encouraging.
So yeah, I'll take my scraps, because until changes are made, that's all I can realistically hope for.

IMO, fielding a +.500 team would do wonders for baseball in KC.
Let's see them walk before asking them to run.

The fact that Baird kept his job simply tells Royals fans, that it's business as usual in KC.

But, I am a man of my word. Now that Muser is gone, I will purchase a ticket for a Royals game this year.

Ari Chi3fs
04-04-2005, 12:48 PM
Yeah, fire that guy and hire Tony Pena.

tk13
04-05-2005, 02:03 AM
Wow, great great find. ROFL I still sound the same today as I did 4 seasons ago.

Sure-Oz
04-05-2005, 01:06 PM
Wow, i dont know if I care as much now as I did then about the Royals, lol! I still love my teams though!

Loyal
04-06-2005, 11:37 PM
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