View Full Version : Some analysis of Tony Pena in the minors

05-17-2002, 08:26 PM

Here's Jayson Stark's latest column on ESPN..halfway down the page he talks about the Pena hiring.

Was Tony Pena the right man for the Royals' job when Buck Showalter was available?

We surveyed a couple of scouts who have covered Pena's teams in the minor leagues, and this was a general review:

"The best thing about him is that he's unbelievably positive and he's able to communicate with each individual. He got a lot out of people, the way he worked with them one-on-one. ... Tony never has a bad day. He's always smiling. He instills a lot of confidence in the people around him."

On the other hand ... "His organizational skills were not real good. He has to learn more about running a game. ... He was pretty good at handling pitching. His managing improved a lot. But he still has a ways to go."

Nevertheless, as someone who knew Showalter as a manager and got to know him better from working with him at ESPN, we find it stunning that Showalter hasn't drawn more interest with all the jobs that have opened. There can't be a man alive more prepared to manage than this guy.

There isn't anything about managing he hasn't thought about -- from how you pitch the cleanup hitter in the eighth inning to how you develop your No. 1 pick in the Gulf Coast League. And as much as we love Tony Pena, Showalter would have helped the Royals' organization in many ways.

"Their whole organization needs to be revamped, throughout their farm system," says one scout familiar with their system. "They need a five-year plan to rework that entire organization. Their good pitching prospects just have not developed. They hit Double-A and Triple-A and stall. They could use a thorough organizational philosophy. And that's where Buck would have been outstanding."

But as one GM says, "I like Buck. In fact, I would be interested in hiring Buck. But whether he likes it or not, he's got a reputation. So he's going to have to admit he's got that reputation and be able to assure people he's changed and he's learned from his mistakes."

Well, if that's all it takes, the Buck Showalter we know is more than ready to do all of that. In the meantime, that ESPN gig beats selling hot dogs.

05-21-2012, 09:52 PM
Best thread EVER imo

05-21-2012, 09:52 PM
I had to bump this just to get one post in it

05-21-2012, 09:52 PM
Damnit Inmen! :cuss:

05-21-2012, 09:52 PM
I had to bump this just to get one post in it

Too slow I win

05-21-2012, 09:53 PM
It's on its way to the HoC now.

Pitt Gorilla
05-21-2012, 09:54 PM

05-21-2012, 09:55 PM
I bet this thread will get about 5 pages worth of non sense

05-21-2012, 09:59 PM
Now we're gonna need to tear up all the 2002 Poster of the Year ballots and re-vote.

Dr. Johnny Fever
05-21-2012, 10:00 PM
This is why we can't have nice things.

05-21-2012, 10:04 PM
Pitbulls < This Thread

Pitt Gorilla
05-21-2012, 10:05 PM

05-21-2012, 10:08 PM
Nosotros Cremos

05-21-2012, 10:28 PM
worst day of my life

Thig Lyfe
05-21-2012, 10:41 PM

Thig Lyfe
05-22-2012, 08:10 AM

05-22-2012, 08:35 AM

05-22-2012, 08:44 AM
Nice bump. IM gonna see if i can find an old Tony Muser, Bob Boone or John Mizerock thread laying around CP somewhere.

Thig Lyfe
05-22-2012, 02:24 PM
10 years, 4 days, 1 hour, and 26 minutes between the OP and the first reply.

You can also measure that as:
3657 days, 1 hour, 26 minutes and 0 seconds
315,969,960 seconds
5,266,166 minutes
87,769 hours
522 weeks

That's gotta be a record! Judges, can we get a ruling?

Thig Lyfe
05-22-2012, 09:30 PM

05-22-2012, 09:51 PM
Of course it's a record, it was the oldest thread I could find with 0 replies.

Now where's my fucking pizza?

05-22-2012, 10:06 PM
Of course it's a record, it was the oldest thread I could find with 0 replies.

Now where's my fucking pizza?This thread's pretty good now. Your pizza is in serious jeopardy.

05-22-2012, 10:26 PM

Thig Lyfe
05-22-2012, 11:35 PM
This thread's pretty good now. Your pizza is in serious jeopardy.

Yeah, it's the Heisenthread Principle. You affect the shittiness of the thread by bumping it.