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Brock
05-24-2002, 05:11 PM
Posted at Crapa err Nepa:

My Fellow Chiefs Fans:

I felt the need to weigh in on the state of Chiefs Fan Relations in cyberspace and am submitting this essay for your consideration.

Cyberspace has created a unique opportunity for us Chiefs fanatics to maintain community in ways that non-KC-area fans could not before the word wide web. As with other modes of communication, cyberspace is in the public domain and deserves the highest consideration of the obligation of citizenship. This expression of our freedom as with all others is dependent upon the goodwill and mutual respect of the citizens who participate and unfortunately can be abused by the unneighborly and the irresponsible.

Our passion for all things Chiefs arouses deep and heartfelt opinions which we post here for all to read. There are and always will be disagreements about coaching decisions, players, rules of the game, etcÖ That is all part of being an NFL fan. There is also incumbent upon all of us as Americans a duty to preserve order, respect dissent, tolerate differences and express our manifold freedoms with reverence and brotherly regard.

I myself have been thoroughly abused on Chiefsplanet.com. My views are bombastic, intensely held and highly subjective. They cause people to wonder if Iím a Chiefs fan at all (that is if I do not tote the party line about the current regime). However, none of us deserves the type of pack mentality mob rule that eventually caused me to withdraw from that fan forum altogether.

I am responding this day of 24 May 2002 because it was brought to my attention that I am still discussed or mentioned on that BB regularly even though I have not posted there since December 2001. One of those threads was started by JD Prez and included an invite to post here. For that I am grateful.

Cyberspace, like the streets of our cities, is accessible to the disrespectful and the hateful. What is a Chiefs fan then to do? Letís pledge to be responsible, respectful and patriotic in our cyber discourse with one another. Letís not reward the vile and belligerent with attention. Let us remember above all else, that there is a living, breathing human being on the other end of each post. Let us strive to preserve our unity as citizens and brothers regardless of our passionate disagreements about football, which, in the final analysis, is mere entertainment.

Finally, let us remember that we are a nation at war. This is a time to put aside the petty and the self-aggrandizing, and unite for the common cause. As a paratrooper in the 82nd Airborne Division, I have the privilege of wearing USA on my chest everyday. That is the one team we are all a part of and we will remain strong and undefeated as long as we commit to stand united, brave and faithful.

John ďKCJohnnyĒ Proctor

KC2004
05-24-2002, 05:15 PM
For the love of god! This guy loves drama....


Anyone wanna tell me when his b-day is so I can send him a kleenex! Stop cryin Proctor!

Tribal Warfare
05-24-2002, 05:15 PM
John wasn't cast off. His problem was he couldn't stand the heat anymore for voicing his views.

NaptownChief
05-24-2002, 05:16 PM
The Proctologist called us "vile and belligerent"...

Damn that is pretty rough. That short guy chip on his shoulder is really effecting his ability to think rationally.

KC2004
05-24-2002, 05:23 PM
Originally posted by NaptownChief
The Proctologist called us "vile and belligerent"...

Damn that is pretty rough. That short guy chip on his shoulder is really effecting his ability to think rationally.

I don't believe they guy has the apptitude to rationalize things. Which explains the lack of any rational thought. He just wants someone to feel sorry for him and tell him its ok. With the military background you would assume he was mentally tougher then this. I wonder if he whines to his CO like he does around the Chiefs boards. For some reason I doubt it.

DenverChief
05-24-2002, 05:25 PM
Originally posted by KC2002


I don't believe they guy has the apptitude to rationalize things. Which explains the lack of any rational thought. He just wants someone to feel sorry for him and tell him its ok. With the military background you would assume he was mentally tougher then this. I wonder if he whines to his CO like he does around the Chiefs boards. For some reason I doubt it.

What if he is the CO?......argh!!!!!!!!!....Run away run away!

KC2004
05-24-2002, 05:25 PM
Originally posted by DenverChief


What if he is the CO?......argh!!!!!!!!!....Run away run away!


:LOL:

stevieray
05-24-2002, 05:29 PM
This should be on Oprah....

NaptownChief
05-24-2002, 05:46 PM
I have two questions:

First....Brock, are you sure you didn't leave off part of the post cause I didn't see the word "Ramification" once?


Second...Do you think he had Gunthers package in his mouth when he wrote this?

Fat Elvis
05-24-2002, 05:57 PM
More power to them.

Proctor and VD deserve each other.

Phobia
05-24-2002, 05:59 PM
KCJ and JD are not even on the same planet. Proctor can be annoying, but the guy means well. With the exception of his spin tactics and his, "I'm a serviceman" rant, I have no problem with KCJ.

stevieray
05-24-2002, 06:02 PM
Dr. Phil!!!


ROFL

KC2004
05-24-2002, 06:05 PM
I dont get the whole "Everyone at the Planet is out to get me" stuff that JDPrez trys to sell everyone? When does these attacks happen? I've never seen shit on this board or his. Is this guy delusional or something? I see where he was threating people in emails. Isn't that illegal. I mean if I got a email and someone said they were going to put a bullet in my head I would probably pass that on to the F.B.I. This guy needs to seek professional help. Prozac is your friend JD.

alanm
05-24-2002, 06:09 PM
John couldn't handle the anti Marty and Goonther bashing. When something is broke you fix it you don't put bandaids on it. I don't know why John feels he's not welcome on this board. The problem is entirely in his own mind. I'm sure the Mods and Admin would say he's welcome anytime.

CrazyHorse
05-24-2002, 06:14 PM
Thanks Brock, that's the hardest I've laughed in quite some time on here.

JCJohnny, that guy is a hoot.

See what a name like Proctor could have done to any one of us. I guess it could have been worse. His last name could have been Bravo or something.

I remember when he was a valued poster. Until the RBBC and GC thing came to fruition. He just went down in flames. Kind of a shame though. I was kinda surprized I was laughing when reading his line. But I don't miss it. It did get old.

alanm
05-24-2002, 06:15 PM
Threats by email are the same as verbal or phone messages. It's harrassment and should be taken serious. If JD is calling people at home he's going WAAAAAYYY over the line and it should be stopped. I could get the ball rolling on this problem but unless asked I'll keep my nose out of it for now.;)

Tribal Warfare
05-24-2002, 06:16 PM
I dont get the whole "Everyone at the Planet is out to get me" stuff that JDPrez trys to sell everyone?

That's the man's tactics to create attention towards himself and his website. He uses contraversy as a tool for advertisement, and sametime trying to appear as a victim. If ChiefsPlanet wasn't around the man would do the same thing to the KCStar BB.Prez is a person who thinks that he should have the KC Chiefs website on the net.

Clint in Wichita
05-24-2002, 06:18 PM
This guy helps to defend our country?

I'd rather be defended by a butter knife-wielding senior citizen.

Baby Lee
05-24-2002, 06:21 PM
JCJohnny, that guy is a hoot.
Proctor isn't JCJohnny. He-ll, I'm not even JCJohnny anymore.

Frazod
05-24-2002, 06:25 PM
Originally posted by Fat Elvis
More power to them.

Proctor and VD deserve each other.

AMEN TO THAT.

Both of them are psychotic assholes.

I only hope that JD isn't packing automatic weapons too.

Dartgod
05-24-2002, 06:35 PM
Originally posted by Tribal Warfare
If ChiefsPlanet wasn't around the man would do the same thing to the KCStar BB.Actually, he IS doing the same thing to the KC.com board.

NaptownChief
05-24-2002, 06:39 PM
Originally posted by NaptownChief
I have two questions:

First....Brock, are you sure you didn't leave off part of the post cause I didn't see the word "Ramification" once?


Second...Do you think he had Gunthers package in his mouth when he wrote this?


Damn, I must be slipping. I thought I would at least get a courtesy chuckle from someone with this.

Tribal Warfare
05-24-2002, 06:43 PM
Originally posted by Dartgod
Actually, he IS doing the same thing to the KC.com board.

Exactly!

Dartgod
05-24-2002, 07:02 PM
Damn! the Curly Forum has been deleted. And I just finished a parody of Proctor's letter. I'll post it here.



My Fellow Chiefs Fans:

I felt the need to bore you on the state of Chiefs Fan Relations in cyberspace and am submitting this rambling for your entertainment.

Al Gore has created a unique opportunity for us Chiefs maniacs to maintain insanity in ways that non-KC-area fans could not before the straight-jacket. Unlike the other modes of self-gratification, Andrea is a public dominatrix and desires the highest concentration of the fertilization of it's citizenship. This expulsion of our mandom as with all others is dependent upon the good head and mutual masterbation of the citizens who participate and fortunately can be abused by the unsightly and the unbathed.

Our passion for beastiality arouses deep and heartfelt erections which we raise here for all to taste. There are and always will be disagreements about couch positions, layers, rules of the lame, etc. That is all part of being a sexual degenerate. There is also incumbent upon all of us as transvestites a duty to preserve semen, disrespect morals, tolerate small penis' and inflate our condoms with reverence and brotherly regard.

I myself have been thoroughly abused on Bondageplanet.com. My cheeks are the bomb, intensely held and highly sensitive. They cause people to wonder if Iím a bisexual fan at all (that is if I do not toot the party line). However, all of us deserves the type of pack mentality mob sex that eventually caused me to withdraw from that fan altogether.

I am resonating this day of 24 May 2002 because it was brought to my attention that I am still disgusted that I have not pooped there since December 2001. One of those threads was started by VD Prez and included an invite to poop here. For that I am gaseous.

Space, the final frontier, is accessible to the respectful and the hateful. What is a child porn fan then to do? Letís plead to be irresponsible, disrespectful and unpatriotic in our cyber intercourse with one another. Letís reward the juvenile and intelligent with our erections. Let us remember above all else, that there is a living, breathing chicken on the other end of our penis. Let us strive to preserve our unity as devients and lovers regardless of our passion, which, in the anal analysis, is more entertaining.

Finally, let us remember that we are a BB at war. This is a time to get inside the pretty and the self-gratifying, and unite for the cum launch. As a poop-chuter in the 69th Gayborne Division, I have the privilege of wearing a bra on my chest everyday. That is the one teat we are all a part of and we will remain weak and defeated as long as we are committed.

John "AC/DC Johnny" Proctologist

California Injun
05-24-2002, 07:14 PM
Baby Lee,

Your name may have changed but not those foot massages.... :D

Brock
05-24-2002, 07:17 PM
Naptown: :LOL:

redsurfer11
05-24-2002, 08:23 PM
I liked Procktors posts. He almost always brought football to the table. He almost went to the looney bin when the Chiefs brought in Vermiel. Couldn't handle the change,too many years of Martyball. I was one of his biggest bashers and I would gladly welcome him back.

Logical
05-25-2002, 01:16 AM
Dammmn I must be slipping! Not a single mention in that diatribe. I currently have a running war with him on the Park that rivals my previous battles with Denise. I also think I may be the only person to mention him on this BB in the last few months (in a joking way) yet he uses that to slander this BB.

Sorry folks! :huh:

BIG_DADDY
05-25-2002, 01:30 AM
That's a peace offering? I have never sided with anyone but I have to say at this point that this post was irresponsibly conceived. Good luck to you John. Thanx for your service as a citizen. May god be with you.

Otter
05-25-2002, 02:24 AM
I've always like John.

I challenge anyone to go through ranger school at age 31 and see if your not a little excentric.

RaiderCorporate
05-25-2002, 04:48 AM
Girls:

You generally ragged on Proctor when his brand of blood and piss think/speak became unfashionable. He went somewhere else to play and still some of you gossip about him. Perhaps this kind of behavior is what makes chiefs fans great...

Mi_chief_fan
05-25-2002, 06:32 AM
Originally posted by RaiderCorporate
Girls:

You generally ragged on Proctor when his brand of blood and piss think/speak became unfashionable. He went somewhere else to play and still some of you gossip about him. Perhaps this kind of behavior is what makes chiefs fans great...

Coming from such an upstanding citizen as yourself, that carries alot of weight.

Skip Towne
05-25-2002, 07:37 AM
Imagine that. John put together an entire post without once mentioning the Rams or Martz. I think Johnny is recovering from his bout with Ramitus. I did like having him on this board but it was tiring to hear the same things over and over. I don't thik he was paranoid, however. It is not paranoia if they REALLY ARE after you. There were a few members here who jumped on his every post spawning the term "Planet Party Line". I have read on other boards that the Planet is "cliquish" and opinionated. To a certain extent, I think it is. Bu I post Pro-Marty stuff on here and don't get dogpiled. I probably would, though, if I did it 24/7. John really is a fervent Chiefs fan but he carries it too far. I would welcome him on this board but he should tone it down a bit.

Frazod
05-25-2002, 08:20 AM
Originally posted by Logical
Dammmn I must be slipping! Not a single mention in that diatribe. I currently have a running war with him on the Park that rivals my previous battles with Denise. I also think I may be the only person to mention him on this BB in the last few months (in a joking way) yet he uses that to slander this BB.

Sorry folks! :huh:

Actually, I think I am the culprit in this instance, Jim.

Thursday night, there was some banter going back and forth between Phil and Cody. Cody (jokingly) asked Phil if he was threatening him. I (jokingly) told Cody that he must be confusing Phil with Proctor.

That was it. WAA. :rolleyes:

And RaiderCorporate, Proctor's views on football have little to do with the widespread negative attitude people on this BB have for him. Mostly folks can't stand him because he is a raving, religious lunatic who wraps himself in the flag and accuses anyone who disagrees with him of being un-American, un-Godly or un-manly. I don't care if he's got a shrine to Schottenheimer in his basement, or confuses Donnell Bennett with Walter Payton. When he spouts off that God punished us with the WTC bombing because of our sins, that I take issue with.

Perhaps you should be a bit more informed before you shoot your mouth off. I recognize this may be a foreign concept for you, but if you'd take it to heart, perhaps you wouldn't come off as such a moron.

California Injun
05-25-2002, 08:34 AM
Prcotors still upset about the Jazz losing to the Kings and Karl Malone cussing to the media after Game #4.

Factor in the dismissal of Marty from his adopted Redskins team and he started to get a bit looney.

NOW, he's in personal AFC West hell because Chokenheimer is coaching a heated rival.

Chargers or Chiefs

Chiefs or Chargers.

We should just leave the poor tortured soul alone and view this pathetic whining for what it is. A veiled attempt to seek professional help in cyberspace.

chieffanphil
05-25-2002, 08:35 AM
I happen to like John and he is no more opinionated than some others on this board . I know most of us were glad to see Gunther gone and i was one of them . I like the way the Chiefs are headed under Dick Vermil . Go Chiefs ! But John had every right to his opinion . I think some didn't like him cause he stood up for Christianity . Let anyone stand up for God on here and more than likely you will be blasted for it . As for me i wish John was back here . May God bless you John Proctor .

Bob Dole
05-25-2002, 08:39 AM
Bob Dole had numerous off-board conversations with John and never had a problem with him personally. If memory serves, however, this thread (http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showthread.php?s=&threadid=18839) was the beginning of the end of John's time on the Planet.

Frazod
05-25-2002, 08:40 AM
There is a BIG difference between standing up for Christianity and shoving religious views down people's throats and insulting their beliefs and integrity unless they fall in line with you 110% like some sort of holy zombie.

But if you really miss him, I understand he's posting over at NEPA. Tell him I said hi.

Frazod
05-25-2002, 08:43 AM
Dammit, Bob, I only need 13 posts to pass you on the no-life list.

Go mow your yard or something! :grr:

:D

chieffanphil
05-25-2002, 08:46 AM
I might just do that :)

California Injun
05-25-2002, 08:49 AM
chieffanphil,

I think you meant to say "make a joke about Christianity" on this site "and you will get blasted for it.

Proctor's dog-piling is in direct porportion to his rants about Vermeil's Ramification of the Chiefs. (and this was in March of 2002).

Rather than take a wait and see attitude, he lamented the change (add nauseum) despite many others who disagreed with him. When the dog-piling became too intense, he would shroud himself in the American flag or his Christian robes for defense.

What is soooo ironic is that Vermeils Ramification brought us a rushing title for Priest Holmes. He broke Martyball's own record that Okoye got with 1,483.

Now this draft got us two DLs that will resurrect our once solid defense. Imagine that!!!

A formidable rushing attack to go with an improving defense?

Why that looks like a Schottenheimer blueprint if you ask me. Toss in an agressive Rams-style offense and the Chiefs are staring at a serious Super Bowl run in 2-3 years.

Go figure, eh?

Bob Dole
05-25-2002, 08:58 AM
Originally posted by frazod
Dammit, Bob, I only need 13 posts to pass you on the no-life list.

Go mow your yard or something! :grr: Bob Dole is planning to mow right after he widens the gap a little more. :D

Frazod
05-25-2002, 09:02 AM
Bastage.....

:cuss:

:D

chieffanphil
05-25-2002, 09:48 AM
California Injun , I agree completely that the Chiefs are heading in the right direction under Dick, i believe we are going to the Super Bowl soon . People on here say John was to far to the extreme on religion and jumped on him but let someone who is to the extreme in the other diretion agaisnt religion and they are not jumped on . Go Chiefs !!

Lzen
05-25-2002, 09:51 AM
Originally posted by chieffanphil
I happen to like John and he is no more opinionated than some others on this board . I know most of us were glad to see Gunther gone and i was one of them . I like the way the Chiefs are headed under Dick Vermil . Go Chiefs ! But John had every right to his opinion . I think some didn't like him cause he stood up for Christianity . Let anyone stand up for God on here and more than likely you will be blasted for it . As for me i wish John was back here . May God bless you John Proctor .

I disagree. I've stood up for my Christian beliefs more than once on here and have never really been "blasted". Sure, people have disagreed with me and we've debated but, I don't feel that I've ever been blasted for my beliefs. Of course, I don't believe that God let the terrorists blow up the WTC, either. Anybody who's read the bible after the great flood and what He said would know better. FTR, I like John and his passion for Chiefs football. However, I disagreed with him most times. I never went as far as being mean or rude to him, though. Perhaps the Chiefs fans here got sick and tired of hearing day after day about how bad it was that Vermeil is turning the Chiefs into the Rams. Hey, if DV takes this team to the SB(and they're definitely headed in the right direction), it doesn't matter what style they used to get there. IMO, John is a very passionate person. It just seemed that often times he let his passions cloud his rationale.

redshirt32
05-25-2002, 10:16 AM
Cant belive anyone would let what is said in cyberspace effect them enough to leave a board,Chiefs Planet or other ?

Hell if you dont like what people say or post about you put them on ignore.

This crap of im leaving cause everyones picking on me is just plain horse shit.

Everyone of us have the right to express are beliefs and if we cant stand a little ribbing from others, well then they need to check to see if they have balls between there legs.
:moon:

Before they post Im leaving ;)

stevieray
05-25-2002, 10:18 AM
You are doomed to repeat your past, till you learn from it.

Rausch
05-25-2002, 10:36 AM
I never had a problem with the guy. I've been told more than a few others have, but I haven't.

And I agree with him on the DV/TrINT issue.

I didn't want either of them, and I'm not impressed. I don't want to be the Rams West, which now is irrelevant, 'cause we are or soon will be.

And I'm no fan of religon. As a whole, not a bad thing. But I have a serious problem with the Catholic church, which is pretty obvious to most. Not catholics themselves, but the decisions and decision makers that run it. That's why I left.

I also liked Marty, and many who've been here for a while will remember it being me and Proc and Barney VS. the world on here.

But (at least to my knowledge) I was never disliked in the way Proc was.

And I didn't leave.

And none of this is personal.

That's the only thing that caused me to lose any respect for 'em. How he up and left and, essentially, took his toys and went elsewhere. Outside of religon me and Proc agree on a whole lot. Mostly football related. Weather you opinion is popular or not, if you truly believe in it, you'll stand up an' fight for it. I do anyway.

Baby Lee
05-25-2002, 10:53 AM
I also liked Marty, and many who've been here for a while will remember it being me and Proc and Barney VS. the world on here.
Hey!!!

Ahh, the good old days. Partially it was the similarity of our names. Partially, it was the similarity of our views on Marty-vs-DV. But I can't recall the number of times I posted something to the effect of "Proctor and I don't agree on much, and I don't agree with his tone, but he has a point xxx."

Rausch
05-25-2002, 10:58 AM
Originally posted by Baby Lee

Hey!!!

Ahh, the good old days. Partially it was the similarity of our names. Partially, it was the similarity of our views on Marty-vs-DV. But I can't recall the number of times I posted something to the effect of "Proctor and I don't agree on much, and I don't agree with his tone, but he has a point xxx."


errrrrrr.......uh.............sorry 'bout that.....:huh:



Guilty on more than one occasion....:D

chieffanphil
05-25-2002, 11:09 AM
Lzen , I am glad you have never been blasted , but you will be if you stand for Jesus on here . But that is ok , to be expected . I will not be run off or get mad and change boards . The main reason for us being on here is because we are Chief fans . I nor anyone else can say why the attacks happened on the WTC . Did God allow it , of course because it happened . Why did he allow it ,only God knows .
But i do know its time people awaken to the reality of the way things are . After this happened a lot of people started back to church and now some of them have stopped . The world is growing colder . In my lifetime i have seen things grow much worse . When i was a little boy murders in this area were very few and far between . Now its getting to be a common thing .
We had better look to the Lord Jesus Christ for help. He is our only hope . Did God allow the attacks to punish us or awaken us , only he knows , not i or anyone else . But we do need to wake up . Go Chiefs !

milkman
05-25-2002, 11:11 AM
Brad,
The reason that Johnny got piled on, and you didn't, is that Johnny has tunnel vision.

Even now, he proclaims Marty deserves credit for the turnaround of the 'Skins season after their pathetic start, but refuses to give Vermeil credit for the Chiefs late season surge, claiming that Saunders deserves the credit, because of his time as an assistent to Marty.

Phobia
05-25-2002, 12:03 PM
Originally posted by chieffanphil
Lzen , I am glad you have never been blasted , but you will be if you stand for Jesus on here . But that is ok , to be expected . I will not be run off or get mad and change boards .

I think that's a load of crap. We had a 2 or 3 month stretch were we had multiple prayer requests stuck at the top of the board each day. While I'm no longer a religious person, I respect the institution and those that are active participants.

Rausch
05-25-2002, 12:19 PM
Those of one faith or another greatly outnumber those who are not members of one of the four major faiths.....

Us heathens are in the minority.....:evil:

chieffanphil
05-25-2002, 12:30 PM
call it a load of crap if you want but its true . Yes it was great to have prayer requests on here . There are lots of very good people on here , thats why i am still on here . I never said that there weren't . But if you say that a Christian won't be attacked by some people on here then you are very wrong . And these people stick together .

Rausch
05-25-2002, 12:34 PM
Originally posted by chieffanphil
call it a load of crap if you want but its true . Yes it was great to have prayer requests on here . There are lots of very good people on here , thats why i am still on here . I never said that there weren't . But if you say that a Christian won't be attacked by some people on here then you are very wrong . And these people stick together .

I wouldn't say attacked. Most people respect and get along with their fellow fan friends....


Now, I might tell you yer' FOS every now and again, but not attack ya'......:D

Phobia
05-25-2002, 12:38 PM
Originally posted by chieffanphil
call it a load of crap if you want but its true . Yes it was great to have prayer requests on here . There are lots of very good people on here , thats why i am still on here . I never said that there weren't . But if you say that a Christian won't be attacked by some people on here then you are very wrong . And these people stick together .

I still disagree with this. Besides the few former Catholics trashing that religion, I'd like to see more than one non-KCJ example of someone being attacked for their religious beliefs. Use the search function to peruse the archives. I don't think you're going to be able to prove this....

chieffanphil
05-25-2002, 12:52 PM
I myself have been jumped on for my beliefs on this board and i am a Southern Baptist not a Catholic . I have even been put down because i am Mississippian lol. I am not saying this is a bad board , i think this is a great Chiefs board . But there a few people on this board who resort to name calling and belittling Christians when they stand up for Jesus or the Bible . But thats a part of life that we have to deal with . But saying it doesn't exist does not change the fact . Go Chiefs !

RaiderCorporate
05-26-2002, 12:36 AM
"Mostly folks can't stand him because he is a raving, religious lunatic who wraps himself in the flag and accuses anyone who disagrees with him of being un-American, un-Godly or un-manly."

frazod:

I didn't feel it necessary to explain all the boring details surrounding Proctor, as THE POINT concerned those who seem to foam at the mouth about Proctor (see above quote) even though he is no longer here - NOT a laundry list of why you resent him.

As there are others in this thread that welcome Proctor's presence on this BB it would seem the foreign concept you have yet to grasp is how to forgive and forget.

Perhaps you can work a little... more on... forgiveness...

mdstu
05-26-2002, 12:58 AM
Being attacked for your religious veiws is no worse than your non-religious views. Keep the faith, but keep it to yourself. This is not church.

The whole serviceman ending is just sickening. For him to put himself up on a pedistal is degrading to all the men and women who wear the uniform along side him. Not to mention the ones who have made the ultimate sacrifice for there country. Makes me want to puke.

Hydrae
05-26-2002, 01:06 AM
Originally posted by chieffanphil
call it a load of crap if you want but its true . Yes it was great to have prayer requests on here . There are lots of very good people on here , thats why i am still on here . I never said that there weren't . But if you say that a Christian won't be attacked by some people on here then you are very wrong . And these people stick together .

I think there is a difference between a debate and getting attacked. I myself have been involved in a few of those debates and feel they are part of what makes this a fun BB. Of course I suppose I should not have responded to your post since it will probably be viewed as an attack! ;)

Mr Grimm
05-26-2002, 01:19 AM
Originally posted by chieffanphil
I myself have been jumped on for my beliefs on this board and i am a Southern Baptist not a Catholic . I have even been put down because i am Mississippian lol. I am not saying this is a bad board , i think this is a great Chiefs board . But there a few people on this board who resort to name calling and belittling Christians when they stand up for Jesus or the Bible . But thats a part of life that we have to deal with . But saying it doesn't exist does not change the fact . Go Chiefs !


From the time i have been here i have noticed that EVERYTHING has been open to DEBATE! everyone has different opinions and we all express our views, but i dont recall a person being attacked.....maybe a type of religion but that is different from the person! I have to agree with brad that i am a former Catholic because alot of the " laws" they have i believe to be outlandish! I went to a catholic school my entire life....so im not speaking bad of any believer...but maybe the orginization!!

Simply dont take it personal and defend your opinions...thats what keeps it interesting!:D

Brock
05-26-2002, 10:15 AM
Originally posted by chieffanphil
I myself have been jumped on for my beliefs on this board

You probably told some people that they are going to hell because they don't believe what you believe. That goes over here like kissing your sister anywhere outside of Mississippi.

chieffanphil
05-26-2002, 12:52 PM
Responding to a post and defending your veiw is different from name calling and some of the things done by a select few on here . Brock , how much do you know about Mississippi , probably nothing . I would think kissing your sister would be considered ok on this board since so many think its ok for a man to kiss another man . I don't take it personal and i will continue to stand for Jesus . As for as i am concerned John Proctor is a fine Christian man and is welcome here anytime.

Rausch
05-26-2002, 01:00 PM
Why exactly do you think that this BB is going to magically cure the widespread sickness of @$$hole that is at epidemic preportions worldwide!?!

You're ALWAYS going to have a select few jackarses give you a hard time.

Deal.

PS, NFL Europe is on......We got anyone on Rhein or Berlin?

Frazod
05-26-2002, 01:06 PM
Any chance we can get this piece of crap thread banished to Petty Board Disputes?

Dave Lane
05-26-2002, 01:09 PM
All I can say is that I would welcome Proctor to post here but like Voyager a broken record is hard to listen too. Discussion is the give and take of ideas and I have no problem that he thinks the sun shines out of Marty's ass but don't keep ONLY seeing the positives of Gunther & Co. and give no credit to DV. I liked somethings about M&G but enough, they are like yesterdays fried chicken. Toss them out, embrace what we have grab a cool one and enjoy your Chiefs!

Dave

~My .02 on Proctor

Phobia
05-26-2002, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by frazod
Any chance we can get this piece of crap thread banished to Petty Board Disputes?

I considered it, but there are some ongoing conversations regarding unrelated issues.

Frazod
05-26-2002, 01:27 PM
Originally posted by Phobia


I considered it, but there are some ongoing conversations regarding unrelated issues.

Oh well.

I'm just tired of seeing/hearing about the sonofabitch. Much like JD, the less press he gets, the better.

Brock
05-26-2002, 01:40 PM
I tried to delete it, but the time limit has expired. Oh well, I guess you'll just have to use willpower instead.

Logical
05-26-2002, 02:35 PM
Originally posted by Mr.Grimm
...

Simply dont take it personal and defend your opinions...thats what keeps it interesting!:D

Mr. Grimm that is the best advice period. Denise seems to understand the concept KCJ did not and as far as I can see from the Park, he still does not get this simple axiom.

P.S. I am not saying that at one time or another each of us is not going to take something personal. But after you cool down, just try to move on and forget it.

Bwana
05-26-2002, 07:48 PM
The guy is a cry baby. Ya want some cheese with that whine Johnny?

AustinChief
05-26-2002, 08:03 PM
OK.. I'm moving this to the PETTY BOARD DISPUTES Forum...

No real reason... just trying to "clean up" the board :)

VDPrez
05-27-2002, 11:49 AM
You can move it, wherever you want and I will find it, where you have moved it!!! Rest assure, I am experienced at this as people have been trying to crush what I built from scratch for years. I am a veterenarian of many battles!!!! Many wars have only made me that much more tougher!

COWARDS!!!!!

King_Chief_Fan
05-28-2002, 09:30 AM
You have to be able to take the good with the bad. As far as I am concerned, peoples opinions are theirs to have......I choose to believe what I want, and ignore what I want. KCJohnny has some strong opinions about things.....he is entitled to that. We shoud be honoring that for anyone who posts on this board. Debating right and wrong....while entertaining at times, tends to do more to divide than bring together. The purpose of a BB in my mind is to have discussion, not flaming idiotic remarks that damages one another. Let's get on with some good converation about our Chiefs.......continue with prayer requests....witness for Christ when the opportunity comes up and continue some polictical debates......but let's keep it civil.

I think KCJohnny's approach in posting what he did on PREZ's board was not the best move......but, he is entitled to do it.

If I have flamed anyone, and I probably have, I am offering my apology......I would like to think I love everyone.....but, especially CHIEFS FANS

KCJohnny
05-28-2002, 09:39 AM
When I posted that, I had no knowledge of the flamefest in progress between members of the Planet and NEPA. Perhaps this guy was sincere in his invitation to me, perhaps not. I roundly condemn all activity outside the standards endorsed in my open letter. If ANYONE is calling a fellow poster's home without welcome, especially if there is abuse, threats, etc... that is a crime. It is difficult for me to conceive of this as all one-sided seeing the way I was dogpiled on, flamed, etc.. as a member of the Planet. I take no sides. I want no part of it.

KCJohnny

htismaqe
05-28-2002, 03:14 PM
John,

The way you were treated here, especially by me, was not fair, and to that I have and will own up to.

However, do not consider JDPrez your "friend". There's a reason I haven't become involved in this latest round of hostility. JD's sole purpose in life is to make HIS board, the one he rules with an iron fist, the only Chiefs board on the net...

His history is painted with past problems with SEVERAL other BB sites, and Chiefsplanet is only the latest...

htismaqe
05-28-2002, 05:34 PM
Of course, I just visited PigSkin Park and got to see the things you're STILL saying about me...

KCJohnny
05-29-2002, 05:31 PM
Parker,
I've been getting a steady stream of invitations to come back to the Planet. You are the #1 reason I am hesitant. That is not a slam on you, I just got hurt last December and I still don't feel very welcome. I'm not asking to do anything or change anything. In the end, I will do what I do out of conscience toward God and loyalty first and foremost to the other Christains on the BB. Forgive me for invoking you by name on PSP. I shouldn't have done that.
Respectfully,
John

WilliamTheIrish
05-29-2002, 05:41 PM
..... The Irishman would like it much if you came back.

WilliamTheIrish

KCJohnny
05-29-2002, 07:09 PM
Bill:
Thanks for the vote of confidence!
;)
KCJ

Gracie Dean
05-29-2002, 10:04 PM
Yes Proctor Please do come back!

KCJohnny
05-30-2002, 06:59 AM
Thanks, Pam!
:)
KCJ

Lzen
05-30-2002, 12:42 PM
Wow, petty board disputes forum? I didn't even know that existed on here. Well John, what's it gonna be? You gonna come back and be a contributor to Chiefs discussions again?

KCJohnny
05-30-2002, 04:01 PM
I may wade in little by little. No stomach for the dogpiling, food fights, etc...
KCJ

htismaqe
05-30-2002, 04:33 PM
Well, John, I think it's fairly obvious that we can both act like adults.

I mean, you've posted a couple of pro-Gun, anti-Vermeil posts already in the last couple of days and I haven't yet responded by letting you know the error of your ways. ;)

KCJohnny
05-30-2002, 06:50 PM
Thank you.
KCJ

alanm
05-31-2002, 02:53 AM
John get your butt back on board the Planet we miss you!!:D

KCJohnny
05-31-2002, 06:44 AM
Thanks a lot, Alan!
Peace,
KCJ