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AustinChief
10-07-2000, 12:27 PM
Dr. Z's 10/6 Mailbag titled "Scheme, Not Players, is K.C.'s Problem" has some interesting reading regarding our team. Analysis of players on both O and D, and a summary that reads:

"In sum: I've seen two teams run on this defense, which was embarrassing against Seattle. Individually, the players are not that bad. The scheme seems to be the problem."

<a href="http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/news/2000/10/06/drz_mailbag/">Dr. Z's Mailbag</a>.<P>

One Arrowhead Dave
10-07-2000, 12:38 PM
Pretty even analysis, IMO.

xoxo~
gaz
willing to take in reasoned criticism.

Duck Dog
10-07-2000, 12:45 PM
Ok, I liked the article until I got to the end and realized it was all critique ~ and no solution.

He makes evaluations of our players, and then states that the scheme is the problem... but he never says why! He never says what the scheme should be. He never even says what the scheme currently is!

I can write articles like this guy.

Luz
is he always so irresponcible?...

Spott
10-07-2000, 12:57 PM
Interesting, a critique by a man who admits to only seeing two of our games. He also apparently doesn't follow the Chiefs either. Anyone who doesn't know why teams don't throw at Hasty isn't aware of the Chiefs. (Or football in general I'd say)

That said, he is right when he says we need to stiffen against the run. Getting Clemmons back should help because it allows Browning to move back inside. Also where's Ransom? I thought run stuffing was his forte.

sd4chiefs
10-07-2000, 01:05 PM
The guy's an idiot. Why don't teams throw at Hasty, well maybe it's because he's a Pro-bowler and there's a rookie in Dennis on the other side, and I don't see were Hasty's is a poor tackler. Do they just give those jobs to anyone and if so were do I apply?

One Arrowhead Dave
10-07-2000, 01:09 PM
"for some reason teams seem to be staying away from James Hasty; why, I don't know"

I took this as sarcasm. Am I giving Dr. Z too much credit?

xoxo~
gaz
thinks we all KNOW why Hasty is not being challenged.<BR>

One Arrowhead Dave
10-07-2000, 01:10 PM
As far as tackling is concerned, I can only think of one player who consistently shows me that he KNOWS how to tackle.

xoxo~
gaz
could use Patton as a textbook on "How to Tackle."<BR>

AustinChief
10-07-2000, 01:22 PM
Gaz - Tackling,,, my main complaint for the last 3 seasons.... and yes Patton is my favorite player.

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flowergirl
10-07-2000, 02:06 PM
Gaz, IMO if that was sarcasm, it didn't come across well. But point taken.

I'd like to critique this quote:

"Finally, big Chester McGlockton. I would not have him on my team. He'll come up with a dazzler every now and then, and live off it for the next few series. I see him quitting on plays. I can't figure him out."

Spoken like a man who hasn't watched the Chiefs closely this year. Compare that with what Gun said the other day regarding why Hicks is near the top of the league in sacks:

But I think he's real smart and uses (DT) Chester (McGlockton) the right way. Chester has certain things about him and Eric knows that. Being as smart as he is, he's able to play off of Chester and get to the quarterback.

"Chester goes up the field so hard that he collapses the pocket and Eric is getting skilled at playing off of him, meaning that he can take an inside or outside rush off of Chester."


So I guess Chester is useless (now that was sarcasm http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/smile.gif ).

Vortex Dweller
10-07-2000, 03:14 PM
This guy has more opinions than my would be mother in law. It doesn't take a whole lot of talent to sit back and create one-line critisisms about people. Any of us do that for free.

Donnie Edwards has never looked weak against the run. Chester has been colapsing the pocket like a bulldozer, I'm not even gonna comment on the Hasty one. According to him everybody is mediocure but Dan Williams. Whatever!

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Opinions are like a$$holes. Everbody has on and nobody else wants to hear it.

Unless your a Chiefs fan of course

Vortex Dweller
10-07-2000, 03:15 PM
This guy has more opinions than my would be mother in law. It doesn't take a whole lot of talent to sit back and create one-line critisisms about people. Any of us do that for free.

Donnie Edwards has never looked weak against the run. Chester has been colapsing the pocket like a bulldozer, I'm not even gonna comment on the Hasty one. According to him everybody is mediocure but Dan Williams. Whatever!

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Opinions are like a$$holes. Everbody has on and nobody else wants to hear it.

Unless your a Chiefs fan of course

Fan_in_Alabama
10-07-2000, 04:44 PM
i wish dr z would take a long walk off a short pier......he is totally worthless.......if i was wrong as much as he is in my job i would be unemployed......

have always believed the exact opposite of what he says......and im right more than he is...

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LD for KC
10-07-2000, 05:05 PM
I think these so called "experts" get their information on most teams the same way we do, by watching the highlights on NFL Primetime. It's a pretty good show, but like all the other national media, it gives little attention to the Chiefs. I've often watched the Chiefs win games, watch this show later, an come away wondering how the Chiefs could have won the game, given the way the highlights seem to be so much of the losing team's.
His take on Chet is still based on what he did in Oakland the last couple seasons he was there (or on reading observations from Clint or Cannibal) If he had actually watched any Chiefs game, without a predisposition to dislike Chet, he would have seen a player fighting every down.

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Red Eyes
Chinn Up.

[b]The SitCom must die!!</B>

Chieficus
10-07-2000, 05:41 PM
Dr. Z is an analyst who comes about his opinions honestly. If you make his All-Pro ballot--as T-Rich and Gonzo did last year--that means you played well in the games of yours he saw. On average, he studies about half of the games every year.

Dr. Z knows that Hasty is a good player. He mentioned him last year in his annual column about his All-Pro voting, for example. I took his comments to mean that Hasty should be tested more, as he's older and not as big a hitter as he used to be. Personally, I don't agree, but then again I watch every Chiefs game and Dr. Z has only seen 2 so far. I respect his opinions and appreciate the fact that he usually attaches to them some measure of how much or little information they are based on (e.g. how many pertinent games he's seen).

I don't think there are many analysts around who know more about more teams in the NFL than Dr. Z does. I look forward to his column every week and especially enjoy his annual All-Pro ballot column. You can find an archive of his columns on the cnnsi.com site.

[This message has been edited by DanT (edited 10-07-2000).]

Coogs
10-07-2000, 06:20 PM
I'm with Dan on this one, Dr. Z is one of my favorite anaylsts. He shows a knowledge of the game few others do. He's not always right, but he appreciates the details and hard work of players in every position.

As for our scheme, it's pretty simple. We tend to a deep zone, and have our d-linemen go for the QB on ever play. The penetration is great on passing plays, but it lets other teams O-linemen get on our LBs, and gives great opportunites for cutback runners.

kcneo
10-07-2000, 07:21 PM
I agree w/ KC Jones on this. The Chiefs get so much pressure from our guys up front, it kinda leaves the backers on their own. That's why cutback runners (like S. Alexander) eat up the yardage. Having said that, those runners can pile up yardage all day long for all I care. When it gets down to inside the 15 or 10, everything gets tightly packed and the Chiefs D is getting the job done. Take a look at the first half of the enver game to illustrate a point.

AustinChief
10-07-2000, 10:12 PM
Bob Dole finds that Zimmerman is one of the more enjoyable writers around. He's been doing it for awhile and he knows of what he speaks most of the time, is well-reasoned most of the time, and will admit he was wrong if proven to be wrong.

Bob Dole is too lazy to sort through the archives, but it sems like Z watches between 4 and 8 complete games each week. He tapes them, then reviews, then writes his articles.

You guys ought to talk nice about him--he's had KC at #9 in his rankings the past 2 weeks...

LD for KC
10-07-2000, 10:22 PM
Perhaps I should read more of his stuff, but some of observations seemed to be off the mark by a long way.

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Red Eyes
Chinn Up.

[b]The SitCom must die!!</B>

AustinChief
10-07-2000, 10:29 PM
He's one of the few national writers Bob Dole has seen that actualluy publishes letters from readers that criticize his observations. Send him an email if you think he's off base.

Bob Dole would love it if Whitlock had the cajones to start a weekly mailbag column...

orange
10-07-2000, 10:43 PM
I also agree with his take on Lew Bush, "just a guy". When you talk about someone who still hasn't even been noticable this season its bush.