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CASHMAN
01-07-2003, 10:47 PM
I was just wondering if any of you had a good or bad day at a retail store? or work at one and have some info into why some customers think they own the place they spend there money in? and why customer service has gone down hill??



CASHMAN.

Ebolapox
01-07-2003, 10:50 PM
some customers are dumb b/c the average IQ of middle america (the types that shop at those places... not the overly rich) is only around 80.... if you isolate them, they're tolerable, but if you have to deal with moron after moron, they tend to have a crowd effect... one moron turns into the same one before that, until soon, you're grabbing an ak47 and shooting their asses...

-EBOLA-...the mail never stops either ;)

CASHMAN
01-07-2003, 11:15 PM
Just like my SIG, says is how i treat people, you treat me good i will treat you the same way if you treat me like shi! then you get the idea.

Retail workers dont get paid squat and most of them do the best they can and i think they only treat you bad is when you treat them bad or as a 2nd class citizen.




CASHMAN.

Ebolapox
01-07-2003, 11:20 PM
Originally posted by CASHMAN
Just like my SIG, says is how i treat people, you treat me good i will treat you the same way if you treat me like shi! then you get the idea.

Retail workers dont get paid squat and most of them do the best they can and i think they only treat you bad is when you treat them bad or as a 2nd class citizen.




CASHMAN.

totally agree... I worked in retail (wal mart) for about two years, and still know a lot of people in 'the industry'... it's like any other JOB (read: not career: careers are supposed to be enjoyed)... there are good days (read: days where people are nice to you), and bad days... I say that the average IQ is low b/c I'm an elitist asshole :D

-EBOLA-

stanleychief
01-07-2003, 11:25 PM
Originally posted by EBOLA
some customers are dumb b/c the average IQ of middle america (the types that shop at those places... not the overly rich) is only around 80.... if you isolate them, they're tolerable, but if you have to deal with moron after moron, they tend to have a crowd effect... one moron turns into the same one before that, until soon, you're grabbing an ak47 and shooting their asses...

-EBOLA-...the mail never stops either ;)

How ironic that the same can be said for about 90% of the people that WORK at retail stores.. If you are wondering why customers are cranky, think of what they go through when they have to deal with cruddy salesmen time after time.

I've worked retail before, and I'm still a customer to this day :)

Apply your statement to salespeople and you'll start to understand the consumer's point of view. Those of you in retail sales, do you find all of your co-workers competent?

CASHMAN
01-07-2003, 11:34 PM
Originally posted by stanleychief


How ironic that the same can be said for about 90% of the people that WORK at retail stores.. If you are wondering why customers are cranky, think of they go through when they have to deal with cruddy salesmen time after time.

I've worked retail and I'm still a customer. Apply your statement to salespeople and you'll start to understand the consumer's point of view.

Its a 2 sided sword my friend, yes in every field you dont get the cream of the crop. and it does stink that retail companys dont pay there managers a decent amount and some of them dont train there people100% but such is life. customers come into a store thinking they own the place and they dont just go into a place and get what you want and get out, and yes if treated bad then go to the top but remember not everyone is as perfect as yourself? Thats why there is so many restraunts and other places if you dont like the one you were just in then go to another one, there is a WENDYS about 1 mile if that from me and they are very rude and my girlfriend went there tonight and got rude svc so i have a choice to make keep going there or drive say 5 miles to the other one or call there manager??
oh well allways remember that not any one is perfect and try not to excpect it and all will be ok maybe?????????:)


CASHMAN.

Mosbonian
01-07-2003, 11:40 PM
The fact that you think any customer is stupid shows that you need to choose another field to work in..preferably one that let's you have little or no contact with others, since you think so little of them.

mmaddog
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PastorMikH
01-07-2003, 11:43 PM
I get irritated at sales clerks that look down at you. A few years back, the Wife and I go into a Mall. She's wanting some perfume for Christmas so we head into the Penny's store. Now, I must regress here, I'm stuck in slacks, shirts, ties, etc enough. I was feeling like being comfortable, so we both were wearing jeans and nice sweatchirts. The stuff-shirted lady at the counter wouldn't wait on us. When we asked for help, she pulled out one bottle, not the stuff the wife asked for either, and then left us while she stood at the other end of the counter.

Finally, I said, loud enough for the lady to hear, "If they don't want to help us, we will go someplace else." Went down the mall to Dillards (quite a bit fancier than Pennys BTW) and the lady there was so courteous that we bought the bigger bottle of the perfume, some cologne for me, and a number of other things. Spent a good bit of money in there. The Penny's lady could have had that sale if her attitude had been different.



One more, Incedentily, another Pennys.

Wife bought me a dress shirt last fall while in Wichita, where they had a sale, buy one at full price get the second for a buck. So her and her mom slip the money and bought shirts for me and her dad. Problem was, mine didn't fit. So we went into the local Pennys store and looked around. Found a shirt that I liked, but I didn't have a tie or slacks to match, so we shoped around until we found both.

Went to the checkout and the cashier (told the wife just take the shirt up with the tags on it, and don't give them the reciept - she didn't listen), a younger lady in her teens gets obstinate with the wife. Says that she can only give my wife $1 for the shirt.

I walk up to the counter and ask what is going on. The cashier tells me that since my wife bought the shirt at a sale, she can only give us the sale price. I pointed out that the shirt was almost identical to the one we brought back, just a little bigger and a different color. She pointed out that the buttons were barely different. I pointed out that the shirt we picked up was the same price as the original shirt and they had the same sale going on - get second for $1. She wouldn't listen. So I spoke a little louder and said, "For a buck, I'll just take the shirt we brought in back home and use it for a rag. And since we aren't exchanging the shirt, I won't need this $50 pair of slacks or this $25 dollar tie."

Wasn't but a moment after I said this, the assistant manager dropped in, made an even swap on the shirts and helped us with the rest of the stuff.


Sales clerks can be so irritating!

KCChiefsMan
01-07-2003, 11:51 PM
I'm a waitor at a restaraunt and to be quite honest with you, if you come in looking like trash, you get bad service, BUT I have my certain characteristics that I look for to determine if I'm going to give them bad service:
1) if you come in and I've served you before and I know you don't tip, then they'll just get the worst service in the world (and NO I wouldn't ever spit in the food or shit like that, just no refills and really really slow and rude service)
2) if the person is wearing ANYTHING with the confederate flag on it
3) if the person is wearing ANYTHING with Nascar on it
4) if the person has a mullet
5) if they are rude to me regardless of what you look like
6) if they are missing teeth (unless they are really polite)
7) if they look like they are in high school
8) if they are wearing dirty t-shirts
9) if they are wearing John Deer hats
10) if I just get the "I'm not getting a tip from this table vibe"

People really PISS me off when I give them good service and they leave crappy tips, I'd rather have fun with them and give them horrible service and not get a tip so they will be reluctant to come back.

PastorMikH
01-07-2003, 11:52 PM
To those defending retail clerks, restaruant workers, etc.


I think those people need to remember WHY they have a job. They aren't there to hang clothes on a rack, they are there to sell them to a customer. The more pleasant, cheerful and helpful they are, the more clothes they will sell. They aren't there to take the fries out of the hot cooking oil, they are there to sell those fries. The more pleasant, cheerful and helpful they are, the more likely they will sell that person a soda and maybe even a hamburger to go with it. They have a job because of the customer.

I worked at a Wendy's franchise for 6 1/2 years (3 stores, same company). You treat customers decently, they will do likewise. I can't remember how many upset customers got over their anger in a hurry when they found out that someone cared and would help them solve their problem.


It pays to treat the customer well, even if they are jerks.

PastorMikH
01-07-2003, 11:53 PM
I'll be honest with you KCCHiefsman, if I come in and get bad service, their won't be any tip left.:)

Furthermore, if the service is bad enough, the manager usually finds out.

Paying customers are just that. And they should be treated decently regardless of how much loot is being left on the table, how they look, what kind of car they drive up in, ETC.

CASHMAN
01-07-2003, 11:53 PM
Originally posted by mmaddog
The fact that you think any customer is stupid shows that you need to choose another field to work in..preferably one that let's you have little or no contact with others, since you think so little of them.

mmaddog
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HUMMMMMMMMMM were did i say that customers were stupid?? NEVER SAID THAT. and i dont work the retail my friend so please read what i write and dont add things to me that you want to, thanks:).

And with that said i beat that you think the customer is allways right? no matter what and you should be treated like royalty? and if you arent getting your butt kissed by all associates then that is so rude.
And i do know alot of people in retail and they say the people with the best attitudes are the CHIEFS PLAYERS!! they arent rude and dont excpect them to jump thur hoops for them.



CUSTOMERS DO PAY THERE CHECKS, BUT THEY DONT SIGN THEM:)


CASHMAN.

stanleychief
01-07-2003, 11:54 PM
customers come into a store thinking they own the place and they dont just go into a place and get what you want and get out, and yes if treated bad then go to the top but remember not everyone is as perfect as yourself?

Well umm, technically, us customers help pay the rent and salaries :) I know we can be a big inconvenience sometimes, but that's just the way it goes.

I understand the reasons behind poor service and can sympathize, but as a customer, I feel I deserve good service, not good excuses. Yes I do have a choice, and yes I do excercise my choice often and go somehwere else. I do feel that the management of a company under certain circumstances needs to know what is going on in their store. There are 'customers from hell' that will gripe over nothing, but that's life. I think that to take a stance that all customers are a pain in the *** is a very poor attitude and to not bring instances of exceptionally bad customer service to the management's attention will not only fail to resolve your issue, but damage the company in the long term as well.

PastorMikH
01-08-2003, 12:00 AM
Originally posted by KCChiefsMan

....I'd rather have fun with them and give them horrible service and not get a tip so they will be reluctant to come back.


I wonder if the head manager read this if he would be retaining your services.

Mosbonian
01-08-2003, 12:01 AM
Look at your post....maybe i should repost it for you...

I was just wondering if any of you had a good or bad day at a retail store? or work at one and have some info into why some customers are stupid and so on?????

Secondly....

And with that said i beat that you think the customer is allways right? no matter what and you should be treated like royalty? and if you arent getting your butt kissed by all associates then that is so rude.

Please tell me that you have yet to graduate with your atrocious spelling and puntuation....

Yes, I think the customer is always right...especially for the Associate...the only person who should try to reason with a customer and infer they might be incorrect is the Manager. Why?
Because in most cases he is the person best equipped to handle that type of situation. Most Associates are not prepared to handle situations that arise.

And FWIW, not all Professional athletes are courteous! Ask a few of the waitresses at your local tavern.

mmaddog
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stanleychief
01-08-2003, 12:02 AM
Originally posted by KCChiefsMan
I'm a waitor at a restaraunt and to be quite honest with you, if you come in looking like trash, you get bad service, BUT I have my certain characteristics that I look for to determine if I'm going to give them bad service:
1) if you come in and I've served you before and I know you don't tip, then they'll just get the worst service in the world (and NO I wouldn't ever spit in the food or **** like that, just no refills and really really slow and rude service)
2) if the person is wearing ANYTHING with the confederate flag on it
3) if the person is wearing ANYTHING with Nascar on it
4) if the person has a mullet
5) if they are rude to me regardless of what you look like
6) if they are missing teeth (unless they are really polite)
7) if they look like they are in high school
8) if they are wearing dirty t-shirts
9) if they are wearing John Deer hats
10) if I just get the "I'm not getting a tip from this table vibe"

People really PISS me off when I give them good service and they leave crappy tips, I'd rather have fun with them and give them horrible service and not get a tip so they will be reluctant to come back.

Heh heh.. that was pretty funny. But to turn this around a bit on you too....

If you prejudge these people and offer poor service to these types consistently, then you are participating in a self-fulfilling prophecy. Maybe those type of people are tipping you poorly because they consistently receive poor service all of the time. :)

PastorMikH
01-08-2003, 12:04 AM
Ebola, I would venture to say that as the weath increases, so does the rudeness. And that, if a person has trouble with the rudeness displayed at a "middle-class" resturaunt, they would be quite disturbed at the way they were treated while waiting on tables in an expensive "upper-class" resturaunt.

In fact, the average working Joe looks at a waiter/waitress as someone just like himself trying to beat out a living for the family. The upper class type are much more likely to view the same waiter/waitress as nothing more than a servant that should cater to their every need.

Skip Towne
01-08-2003, 12:05 AM
KCChiefsman - Once you have made enough customers "reluctant to come back", you can then amuse yourself by looking for another job.

Ebolapox
01-08-2003, 12:07 AM
Originally posted by pastormikh
Ebola, I would venture to say that as the weath increases, so does the rudeness. And that, if a person has trouble with the rudeness displayed at a "middle-class" resturaunt, they would be quite disturbed at the way they were treated while waiting on tables in an expensive "upper-class" resturaunt.

In fact, the average working Joe looks at a waiter/waitress as someone just like himself trying to beat out a living for the family. The upper class type are much more likely to view the same waiter/waitress as nothing more than a servant that should cater to their every need.

oh, I'd agree with you to a certain extent... but I personally believe that ALL classes have the potential to be a-holes... I've helped some richer people, and they've been as nice/down to earth as can be... I've helped people who were (seemed to be) dirt poor... and they were total jerks about everything... which is why I try to judge people not by their status, but by how they treat me... always have, but like I said, I'm an elitist a-hole ;)

-EBOLA-

CASHMAN
01-08-2003, 12:08 AM
Originally posted by mmaddog
Look at your post....maybe i should repost it for you...



Secondly....



Please tell me that you have yet to graduate with your atrocious spelling and puntuation....

Yes, I think the customer is always right...especially for the Associate...the only person who should try to reason with a customer and infer they might be incorrect is the Manager. Why?
Because in most cases he is the person best equipped to handle that type of situation. Most Associates are not prepared to handle situations that arise.

And FWIW, not all Professional athletes are courteous! Ask a few of the waitresses at your local tavern.

mmaddog
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Never did say customers were stupid??? and i was just asking a question if anyone had a good or bad day or EXP in a retail store?? so if i ask if you ever had a bad day with a CHIEFS PLAYER ? that makes me one? ha ha. oh well life goes on so good night.


And yes i flunked english sorry.



CASHMAN.

stanleychief
01-08-2003, 12:12 AM
Originally posted by pastormikh
Ebola, I would venture to say that as the weath increases, so does the rudeness. And that, if a person has trouble with the rudeness displayed at a "middle-class" resturaunt, they would be quite disturbed at the way they were treated while waiting on tables in an expensive "upper-class" resturaunt.

In fact, the average working Joe looks at a waiter/waitress as someone just like himself trying to beat out a living for the family. The upper class type are much more likely to view the same waiter/waitress as nothing more than a servant that should cater to their every need.

I'd have to say you hit it on the head there.. There are some exceptions of course, but there are more poor people that are down to earth than rich. Some rich people drive me nuts, and as a result, I turn down a lot of large contracts from time to time.

In general, I'd have to say that if anyone hates the people they work with on a daily basis, then they should find another job. As a contractor, I get to choose my customers, and I take on projects in which I feel I can offer the best service. When a project goes sour, you have to just grin and bear it though and work your way through it. Keeping every customer happy keeps the referrals coming your way!

Mosbonian
01-08-2003, 12:17 AM
In reading your diatribe about who you do and don't give good service to, one thing came to mind.

Do you think that you don't get good tips because of your biases?

You evidently don't live in the Eastern part of the US because if you excluded all of the people you named, there wouldn't be a table left for you to service....

So you basically won't service:

2) if the person is wearing ANYTHING with the confederate flag on it - I wouldn't blame you there
3) if the person is wearing ANYTHING with Nascar on it- That could exclude some very influential people...including people like Joe Gibbs, former NFL Coach, and various other high profile people who are sponsors of NASCAR racing Teams
4) if the person has a mullet- I've seen just as many waiters and waitresses with mullets as customers
6) if they are missing teeth (unless they are really polite) This could include anyone from the NHL, IHL, or even some NFL players along with persons who have had recent dental surgery
8) if they are wearing dirty t-shirts- i assume you work in an upper-class restaurant
10) if I just get the "I'm not getting a tip from this table vibe"- The only time you should get this is when you have provided poor service. You give good service at my table, you get a good tip. If you become scarce at my table, your tip is too


mmaddog
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Mosbonian
01-08-2003, 12:20 AM
You edited your post......

In it's first incarnation you posted....



I was just wondering if any of you had a good or bad day at a retail store? or work at one and have some info into why some customers are stupid and so on?????

Why deny it?

mmaddog
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CASHMAN
01-08-2003, 12:22 AM
Originally posted by mmaddog
You edited your post......

In it's first incarnation you posted....





Why deny it?

mmaddog
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Yes i edited it because maybe what you said was right, but i never said customers were stupid i asked a question. oh well i am off to bed so take care.

CASHMAN.

Ebolapox
01-08-2003, 12:25 AM
Originally posted by mmaddog
You edited your post......

In it's first incarnation you posted....





Why deny it?

mmaddog
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:titus:

-EBOLA-

RJ
01-08-2003, 12:26 AM
Originally posted by stanleychief


I'd have to say you hit it on the head there.. There are some exceptions of course, but there are more poor people that are down to earth than rich. Some rich people drive me nuts, and as a result, I turn down a lot of large contracts from time to time.

In general, I'd have to say that if anyone hates the people they work with on a daily basis, then they should find another job. As a contractor, I get to choose my customers, and I take on projects in which I feel I can offer the best service. When a project goes sour, you have to just grin and bear it though and work your way through it. Keeping every customer happy keeps the referrals coming your way!

Stanleychief, you're exactly right. I'm in the flooring business and there is the occasional bad job. Most of the time I should have known better than to take it. But once I have it's best to just make it work. Some of the worst jobs turn out to be the best referrals. You'll eventually make up the $$ if you do it right.

Phobia
01-08-2003, 12:29 AM
I can't believe Paul's attitude. I don't fit into any of those "criteria", but I find it shocking that you would be so petty. Methinks you should prolly find a different line of work. Some of the most wealthy people aren't materialistic and walk around in jeans and a t-shirt all day....

I think it's important to compliment great service at least 5x for every complaint and I go out of my way to do so (if earned).

PastorMikH
01-08-2003, 12:37 AM
Originally posted by pHoBiA
Some of the most wealthy people aren't materialistic and walk around in jeans and a t-shirt all day....



Sam Walton is one example. And I'm not talking about John Boy's little borhter either. The guy went around in overalls or blue jeans about everywhere he went. Drove an old pickup too. All the while, he built the strongest retail chain of discount stores in the nation.



Actually, on the toothless bit, if a person were to try some of the "poorer" tactics of bad service to some of the redneck hillbillies that do tend to pass through, one might find himself short a few. You think bubba is just going to be content sending a burger back after he bit into a big ol' juicy haaaacker?

Mosbonian
01-08-2003, 12:37 AM
Good night...

Why didn't you just accept you said customers are stupid and say that wasn't what you meant to say?

You can't erase it..it's there in my posts....why act like you didn't say it?

Acceptance and admitting you are wrong are the first steps to recovery.

mmaddog
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RJ
01-08-2003, 12:42 AM
Of course, what kcchiefsman is talking about is pre-judging.

I spent much time in my earlier years waiting tables and tending bar. Pre-judging is a bad habit. You never know who is a tipper. And they all deserve the same service. The good tippers balance out the deadbeats. Treat everyone the same.

More importantly, have fun with your job. It's an occupation that allows you to be yourself. You'll enjoy the work more and find yourself putting more money in your pocket. I promise.

stanleychief
01-08-2003, 01:08 AM
Stanleychief, you're exactly right. I'm in the flooring business and there is the occasional bad job. Most of the time I should have known better than to take it. But once I have it's best to just make it work. Some of the worst jobs turn out to be the best referrals. You'll eventually make up the $$ if you do it right.

How true! I have had several referrals come back and say, "Oh man, when I heard you worked with so-and-so, I knew you could work with me!" Most of the time, the people they refer think they're a pain in the *** too! :D

When I get a doosey of a client, I just think to myself, "They're not my friend, they're a client. Once my job is over, I won't have to deal with them again!" It's all business, never personal, although that is much easier said than done a lot of times!

Valiant
01-08-2003, 01:24 AM
i feel some of your sorry... as long as the customers are not being rude and dickheads they should always get great service..i mean you are all tips for your money..

hell if you are a great server..you get depending on price 30% and up...for a tip...

Average_Assclown
01-08-2003, 01:41 AM
Originally posted by KCChiefsMan
I'm a waitor at a restaraunt and to be quite honest with you, if you come in looking like trash, you get bad service, BUT I have my certain characteristics that I look for to determine if I'm going to give them bad service:
1) if you come in and I've served you before and I know you don't tip, then they'll just get the worst service in the world (and NO I wouldn't ever spit in the food or shit like that, just no refills and really really slow and rude service)
2) if the person is wearing ANYTHING with the confederate flag on it
3) if the person is wearing ANYTHING with Nascar on it
4) if the person has a mullet
5) if they are rude to me regardless of what you look like
6) if they are missing teeth (unless they are really polite)
7) if they look like they are in high school
8) if they are wearing dirty t-shirts
9) if they are wearing John Deer hats
10) if I just get the "I'm not getting a tip from this table vibe"

People really PISS me off when I give them good service and they leave crappy tips, I'd rather have fun with them and give them horrible service and not get a tip so they will be reluctant to come back.

Wow, you hit the nail on the head man. I worked part time at Chili's as a server to have a little extra cash while attending college. So much trash comes in there. They think they can push you around and do or say anything they want. BS, I only put up with that for so long. I'll only do so much for a tip. If you have come in before and left shitty tips, you will WITHOUT A DOUBT get shitty service. Waiters start to recognize you eventually. And Chiefsman, when I say that certain "kinds" of people always tip shitty...I think you know what I'm talking about. It can be a very frustrating job.

RJ
01-08-2003, 01:44 AM
Stanleychief, that is on the money. Friends of the most difficult customers know what their friends are like. We did a job recently for a real pain-in-the-butt where we barely broke even. But he referred 2 customers to us than more than made up for the heartache.

Rausch
01-08-2003, 01:53 AM
Originally posted by KCChiefsMan
I'm a waitor at a restaraunt and to be quite honest with you, if you come in looking like trash, you get bad service, BUT I have my certain characteristics that I look for to determine if I'm going to give them bad service:
1) if you come in and I've served you before and I know you don't tip, then they'll just get the worst service in the world (and NO I wouldn't ever spit in the food or shit like that, just no refills and really really slow and rude service)
2) if the person is wearing ANYTHING with the confederate flag on it
3) if the person is wearing ANYTHING with Nascar on it
4) if the person has a mullet
5) if they are rude to me regardless of what you look like
6) if they are missing teeth (unless they are really polite)
7) if they look like they are in high school
8) if they are wearing dirty t-shirts
9) if they are wearing John Deer hats
10) if I just get the "I'm not getting a tip from this table vibe"

People really PISS me off when I give them good service and they leave crappy tips, I'd rather have fun with them and give them horrible service and not get a tip so they will be reluctant to come back.

I'm not going to bother with the stupidity of the entire post, but I'll pick one point and hope you can figure out the rest yourself.

First, my girlfriend is a big nascar freak, and while I deteste the "sport" she loves it. I don't like it, and don't pretend to, but I try and follow a tad of it to at least converse with her. I can see why some people like it, but I don't.

See, I really try and get along with people. It's hard sometimes, me and the girlfriend don't always agree. But we try, and we always find some middle ground.

Then there are bass ackwards people like yourself, too tied to who either turned you down for the prom or stole your luch money to ever really move on in life. You cling to the same assanine presumptions you had in high school before you left mommy's little nest and found out that in the real world people aren't cookie-cutter coppies of each other like the prejudices in your head. I sometimes refer to persons like yourself as "little people." Like the Umpa-loompas.

And when we get in our arguments, and see someone as narrowminded and pathetic as yourself, we laugh. We laugh and point and laugh and point and laugh more...ahhhhhh.....a good belly laugh....And we forget what it was we were really angry about anyway....:D

Average_Assclown
01-08-2003, 01:55 AM
I figuged a lot of people were going to flame KCChiefman's post, but until you have been a waiter, you just don't know. You have no idea.

Rausch
01-08-2003, 02:03 AM
Originally posted by Above_Average
I figuged a lot of people were going to flame KCChiefman's post, but until you have been a waiter, you just don't know. You have no idea.

Whatever. That's a fat line of BS.

I've been a waiter. I've managed a store. I've been cook. I've worked everything from a Golf Course pro shop to Pizza Hut to the Missouri Division of Highway safety.

A lot of people suck. A lot of jobs suck. But you'll find that the best waiters/waitresses make the most money. It's that simple. It's not the best looking, or the bosses favorite, it's the hardest working and most polite.

That simple. Odds are if you don't get the tips, it's because you're a $#itty server. Not because all people suck.

Average_Assclown
01-08-2003, 02:03 AM
Originally posted by BRAD_CAUDLE


Whatever. That's a fat line of BS.

I've been a waiter. I've managed a store. I've been cook. I've worked everything from a Golf Course pro shop to Pizza Hut to the Missouri Division of Highway safety.

A lot of people suck. A lot of jobs suck. But you'll find that the best waiters/waitresses make the most money. It's that simple. It's not the best looking, or the bosses favorite, it's the hardest working and most polite.

That simple. Odds are if you don't get the tips, it's because you're a $#itty server. Not because all people suck.

:LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

stanleychief
01-08-2003, 02:04 AM
Originally posted by Above_Average
I figuged a lot of people were going to flame KCChiefman's post, but until you have been a waiter, you just don't know. You have no idea.

Who says we haven't but handled it differently? :) I've had poor people stiff me and rich people stiff me. When it comes to poor people not tipping well, I usually thought to myself, "Gee, they probably could barely afford their dinner, my performance as a server was probably good, they were just broke!" Somehow I took more comfort in that than the rich people who came in and were friendly and stiffed me. Some people are of the belief that they don't have to tip you well, and that tipping is optional. Guess what? IT IS!

I'm not saying that it doesn't suck to get stiffed, but it's part of life, it's gonna happen, why let it affect your performance?

FloridaChief
01-08-2003, 02:06 AM
Originally posted by Above_Average


:LOL: :LOL: :LOL:

Still dreaming of Portis's fumbled balls, are ya?

Average_Assclown
01-08-2003, 02:07 AM
Originally posted by stanleychief


Who says we haven't but handled it differently? :) I've had poor people stiff me and rich people stiff me. When it comes to poor people not tipping well, I usually thought to myself, "Gee, they probably could barely afford their dinner, my performance as a server was probably good, they were just broke!" Somehow I took more comfort in that than the rich people who came in and were friendly and stiffed me. Some people are of the belief that they don't have to tip you well, and that tipping is optional. Guess what? IT IS!

I'm not saying that it doesn't suck to get stiffed, but it's part of life, it's gonna happen, why let it affect your performance?

Waiters make about $2.00 an hour. The rest of their money comes from tips. Sure tipping is optional. But if you go into a restaurant on a regular basis and choose not to tip everytime....well....enjoy your service.

Average_Assclown
01-08-2003, 02:08 AM
Originally posted by FloridaChief


Still dreaming of Portis's fumbled balls, are ya?

http://www.pp.okstate.edu/ehs/MODULES/Exting/sweep.gif

FloridaChief
01-08-2003, 02:10 AM
Originally posted by Raiderfan


http://www.pp.okstate.edu/ehs/MODULES/Exting/sweep.gif

Ebolapox
01-08-2003, 02:11 AM
Originally posted by Above_Average


http://www.pp.okstate.edu/ehs/MODULES/Exting/sweep.gif

wow, it IS taco... man, get an original thought once a month

-EBOLA-

Average_Assclown
01-08-2003, 02:12 AM
I will if you and whatshernuts gets a room.

Ebolapox
01-08-2003, 02:13 AM
Originally posted by Above_Average
I will if you and whatshernuts gets a room.

no comment

-EBOLA-...weak reverse smack

Average_Assclown
01-08-2003, 02:14 AM
Originally posted by EBOLA


no comment

-EBOLA-...weak reverse smack

Sure thing. Good luck on your first cyber date.

Rausch
01-08-2003, 02:14 AM
Originally posted by Above_Average


Waiters make about $2.00 an hour. The rest of their money comes from tips. Sure tipping is optional. But if you go into a restaurant on a regular basis and choose not to tip everytime....well....enjoy your service.

Yeah, nothing like living off the hard work OTHER people do because you can't get a job you're proud of....

stanleychief
01-08-2003, 02:15 AM
Originally posted by Above_Average


Waiters make about $2.00 an hour. The rest of their money comes from tips. Sure tipping is optional. But if you go into a restaurant on a regular basis and choose not to tip everytime....well....enjoy your service.

Like I said, been there done that.. it sucks, but it's still your job. Sometimes people are broke for a stretch then get some money.. I've had crappy tippers come back and tip very well after getting some money. Heck, I've even had a customer APOLOGIZE for tipping badly for a stretch of time. Doesn't really matter, and shouldn't really matter. I heard other waiters complain about certain regulars a lot, and being a newbie, a lot of times I was stuck with em. You know what? Sometimes I got decent tips out of them, and once or twice was told that I was an excellent waiter compared to the others.

Hope things work out well for you when the complaints start rolling in, or the resturant starts losing business.

VonneMarie
01-08-2003, 02:15 AM
Originally posted by Above_Average


Sure thing. Good luck on your first cyber date.
4321 :rolleyes:

Average_Assclown
01-08-2003, 02:16 AM
Originally posted by BRAD_CAUDLE


Yeah, nothing like living off the hard work OTHER people do because you can't get a job you're proud of....

I happened to enjoy my job thoroughly when I didn't have to serve trash.

Average_Assclown
01-08-2003, 02:17 AM
Originally posted by Chiefsgurl18

4321 :rolleyes:

:hump:

Rausch
01-08-2003, 02:19 AM
Originally posted by Above_Average


I happened to enjoy my job thoroughly when I didn't have to serve trash.

Which just so happens to BE YOUR JOB....It's your job to serve people. You don't have to like them, or even respect them. You do have to serve them food.

You don't get to pick and choose who. And it shows just how shallow you are that you judge EVERYONE the second they walk in the door, and BASED ON THAT JUDGEMENT you determine HOW they should be served.

Sounds to me like you're a pathetic little man taking his frustrations out on everyone else....

Ebolapox
01-08-2003, 02:19 AM
Originally posted by Above_Average


:hump:

ROFL :LOL:

if I wasn't so busy laughing at the stupidity of the whole situation, I'd point out...errr.... ummm.... yeah, I'd just start laughing at you....

-EBOLA-

VonneMarie
01-08-2003, 02:21 AM
Originally posted by Above_Average


:hump:
:spank: :rolleyes:

Average_Assclown
01-08-2003, 02:22 AM
Originally posted by BRAD_CAUDLE


Which just so happens to BE YOUR JOB....It's your job to serve people. You don't have to like them, or even respect them. You do have to serve them food.

You don't get to pick and choose who.


For the record I don't even work there anymore. And for your information, I would get to pick who I served for the most part. Just gotta tell the hostess' what you prefer. ;)

FloridaChief
01-08-2003, 02:23 AM
Originally posted by Above_Average


I happened to enjoy my job thoroughly when I didn't have to serve trash.

I sympathize completely. Tell us, do you wipe the asphault specks off of Denver QBs foreheads when they come into your restaurant?

Just curious...

Average_Assclown
01-08-2003, 02:23 AM
Originally posted by Chiefsgurl18

:spank: :rolleyes:

Kinky! :LOL: :p :LOL: :p

Ebolapox
01-08-2003, 02:24 AM
Originally posted by Above_Average


Kinky! :LOL: :p :LOL: :p

4321.... I got a BB for ya... http://www.orangemane.com

that, or http://www.nepachiefs.com

you'd fit right in at either ;)

-EBOLA-:evil:

VonneMarie
01-08-2003, 02:26 AM
Originally posted by EBOLA


4321.... I got a BB for ya... http://www.orangemane.com

that, or http://www.nepachiefs.com

you'd fit right in at either ;)

-EBOLA-:evil:
Amen, preach the word my brotha :D

Average_Assclown
01-08-2003, 02:26 AM
Hey you said yourself that you're not a couple. Don't mind me. :dom:

Rausch
01-08-2003, 02:28 AM
Originally posted by EBOLA


4321.... I got a BB for ya... http://www.orangemane.com

that, or http://www.nepachiefs.com

you'd fit right in at either ;)

-EBOLA-:evil:

Don't bother, he comes from Taco's Villa.....

Apparently he gets little notice there either. Were I taco I'd feel a bit ashamed at having such a no class clod as a regular. I mean, Taco talks his smack, but he's always here to eat the crow or back up his statements.....

Ebolapox
01-08-2003, 02:29 AM
Originally posted by Above_Average
Hey you said yourself that you're not a couple. Don't mind me. :dom:

naw, I made *no comment*...didn't confirm or deny... that doesn't mean that you have full reign.... basically means that you approach her, I kick yo ass ;)... err... umm... by calling you a terrorist...


err... umm... YEAH... he's a TERRORIST

-EBOLA-:p

Average_Assclown
01-08-2003, 02:29 AM
Originally posted by BRAD_CAUDLE


Don't bother, he comes from Taco's Villa.....

Apparently he gets little notice there either. Were I taco I'd feel a bit ashamed at having such a no class clod as a regular. I mean, Taco talks his smack, but he's always here to eat the crow or back up his statements.....

What statements have I made here that required eating crow?

stanleychief
01-08-2003, 02:29 AM
Originally posted by Above_Average



For the record I don't even work there anymore. And for your information, I would get to pick who I served for the most part. Just gotta tell the hostess' what you prefer. ;)

Ahh so you were one of those waiters always hanging out away from your tables, talking and flirting with the hostesses instead of helping your customers! And you wondered why you got bad tips.

I hope you at least got to bag the hostess once or twice. ROFL

Rausch
01-08-2003, 02:30 AM
Originally posted by Above_Average


What statements have I made here that required eating crow?


ROFL

Average_Assclown
01-08-2003, 02:31 AM
Originally posted by EBOLA


naw, I made *no comment*...didn't confirm or deny... that doesn't mean that you have full reign.... basically means that you approach her, I kick yo ass ;)... err... umm... by calling you a terrorist...


err... umm... YEAH... he's a TERRORIST

-EBOLA-:p

Confirm or deny = single.

And the handle I use isn't just a coincidence. :) :Pinky:

So whats up Chiefsgurl? :dom:












ROFL

Average_Assclown
01-08-2003, 02:32 AM
Originally posted by BRAD_CAUDLE



ROFL

Great reply. There are none.

VonneMarie
01-08-2003, 02:33 AM
Originally posted by Above_Average


Confirm or deny = single.

And the handle I use isn't just a coincidence. :) :Pinky:

So whats up Chiefsgurl? :dom:













NEVER! :shake:

Ebolapox
01-08-2003, 02:34 AM
Originally posted by Above_Average


Confirm or deny = single.

And the handle I use isn't just a coincidence. :) :Pinky:

So whats up Chiefsgurl? :dom:
...

:rolleyes:

uhh, yeah, I'm sure you're such an expert on the subject...

-EBOLA-...could go on and on with the subject, but it's not worth it really... like I said, stupidity happens all the time... especially among bronkey fans

KCChiefsMan
01-08-2003, 03:11 AM
Originally posted by stanleychief


Heh heh.. that was pretty funny. But to turn this around a bit on you too....

If you prejudge these people and offer poor service to these types consistently, then you are participating in a self-fulfilling prophecy. Maybe those type of people are tipping you poorly because they consistently receive poor service all of the time. :)


see thats where you are wrong, 10 out of 10 people with those characteristics tip bad or not at all, I don't work at a bad place, Applebee's isn't that bad, it's not like I'm serving at Perkins. People just do not tip and that is how I make my money, the owner's of the restaraunt don't pay me but $2 per hour, I have to rely on tips to make any money at all and that is why people with like the one's I've mentioned will never get good service from me. I could give them good service but I still won't get a tip, I'd rather give them bad service and feel better about it, but most of the customers are alright but when I do get customers when I know they won't tip me, you think I'm gonna give them great service? come on now. And if somebody wants to tell the manager, well, the managers do the same exact thing when they serve, believe that.

KCChiefsMan
01-08-2003, 03:17 AM
Originally posted by pastormikh
I'll be honest with you KCCHiefsman, if I come in and get bad service, their won't be any tip left.:)

Furthermore, if the service is bad enough, the manager usually finds out.

Paying customers are just that. And they should be treated decently regardless of how much loot is being left on the table, how they look, what kind of car they drive up in, ETC.


I only care about how much is left on the table, but 10 out of 10 cowboys (forgot to put that on the list) leave NO MORE than a dollar, guarunteed every time, and after 10 times of giving those people good service and getting NOTHING I just say **** it. I get paid $2 per hour, I have to rely on tips, everybody knows that you are expected to tip at restaraunts if you get solid service and that servers don't get much of a wage, so I betcha that there is a special place in hell for those people that leave no tip regardless of the service, I could give those people good service but I know I still won't get a tip, I'd rather give them bad service and feel better about it, or at least know why I got a bad tip. In this business paying customers are not just that, I'm not stupid, I can learn trends and predict accurately what kind of tip I'll probably get. There are few exceptions, maybe 1 out of 1000 cowboys would leave a good tip, but only under exceptional circumstances. And they can tell the manager and the manager will give me a pat on the back.

KCChiefsMan
01-08-2003, 03:19 AM
Originally posted by Skip Towne
KCChiefsman - Once you have made enough customers "reluctant to come back", you can then amuse yourself by looking for another job.

thats my goal to make them never come back. but I won't need to look for another job. I dont know if you know this, but I only get paid $2 per hour, I have to rely on tips, I hope that the people that stiff me even tho I gave them good service, I hope they all rot in hell.

Rausch
01-08-2003, 03:22 AM
Originally posted by KCChiefsMan


thats my goal to make them never come back. but I won't need to look for another job. I dont know if you know this, but I only get paid $2 per hour, I have to rely on tips, I hope that the people that stiff me even tho I gave them good service, I hope they all rot in hell.

Why the hell WOULD THEY tip you since you judge them the second they walk in the door, then provide them with $#it service?

Makes no sense...No wonder you make squat...

stanleychief
01-08-2003, 03:24 AM
I have to rely on tips, everybody knows that you are expected to tip at restaraunts if you get solid service and that servers don't get much of a wage, so I betcha that there is a special place in hell for those people that leave no tip regardless of the service, I could give those people good service but I know I still won't get a tip, I'd rather give them bad service and feel better about it, or at least know why I got a bad tip.

:LOL:

I think the bad tippers get placed right next to the bad waiters.. I mean it is HELL after all isn't it? :D

KCChiefsMan
01-08-2003, 03:27 AM
Originally posted by pHoBiA
I can't believe Paul's attitude. I don't fit into any of those "criteria", but I find it shocking that you would be so petty. Methinks you should prolly find a different line of work. Some of the most wealthy people aren't materialistic and walk around in jeans and a t-shirt all day....

I think it's important to compliment great service at least 5x for every complaint and I go out of my way to do so (if earned).

its not that petty, I don't just look at their clothes, It's not like that, but working there as long as I have, you can tell by the way they look, I mean I get great tippers that wear jeans and what not. you dont have to wear a suit and tie to get good service from me, but about 2 of every 10 customers I have this problem with and I know I won't get a good tip if any regardless of the service. My wage is $2 per hour, but overall I make very good money there, but it still pisses me off when I get stiffed when I provided good service, wouldn't that piss you off when you rely on tips? anybody who's ever served knows what I'm talking about. just think about providing great service to someone and they stiff you, how would you feel about that? and when the people with the criteria I mentioned do it consistently (99 out of 100), you wouldn't give them good service either. Most of my customers get good service from me and I make good money, but about 2 of every 10 tables will not tip me regardless of the service and thats just ridiculous. If people can't afford to leave 15% at least for good service then they shouldn't go out.

heapshake
01-08-2003, 03:27 AM
Originally posted by KCChiefsMan



I don't work at a bad place, Applebee's isn't that bad, it's not like I'm serving at Perkins.

Man, you're one judgemental guy.

KCChiefsMan
01-08-2003, 03:30 AM
Originally posted by BRAD_CAUDLE


Why the hell WOULD THEY tip you since you judge them the second they walk in the door, then provide them with $#it service?

Makes no sense...No wonder you make squat...

I dont think you understand, I do make good money, BUT working at a restaraunt as long as I have, you realize these trends of who will tip you and who won't. You'd just have to wait tables I guess to understand where I'm coming from. about 2 of every 10 tables won't leave a very good tip and I can tell which ones that is ahead of time. For about 9 months I gave EVERYBODY good service and the people with the criteria I mentioned did not leave tips (less than 5%) and I talked to other servers that I work with and they all agreed with me and they do the same thing, you'd just have to work as a server to understand I guess.

KCChiefsMan
01-08-2003, 03:31 AM
Originally posted by heapshake


Man, you're one judgemental guy.

ya, I am

RedNeckRaider
01-08-2003, 03:32 AM
I wear jeans, t-shirt, flanel shirt, I wear roper type work boots or cowboy boots, and I always tip at least 15%. I will tell you another thing you act like you are to good for me cause you don't like the way dress, you will not get a penny, and you might get your ass kicked.

KCChiefsMan
01-08-2003, 03:34 AM
Originally posted by BRAD_CAUDLE



Makes no sense...No wonder you make squat...

FYI, on average, I get paid $15 per hour of cold cash. on a bad night its more like $10 per hour. Its not a living, but a part time gig for a college student, not too bad.

KCChiefsMan
01-08-2003, 03:35 AM
Originally posted by RedNeckRaider
I wear jeans, t-shirt, flanel shirt, I wear roper type work boots or cowboy boots, and I always tip at least 15%. I will tell you another thing you act like you are to good for me cause you don't like the way dress, you will not get a penny, and you might get your ass kicked.




well then you are 1 out of 1000 cowboys then.

KCChiefsMan
01-08-2003, 03:39 AM
Originally posted by RedNeckRaider
I wear jeans, t-shirt, flanel shirt, I wear roper type work boots or cowboy boots, and I always tip at least 15%. I will tell you another thing you act like you are to good for me cause you don't like the way dress, you will not get a penny, and you might get your ass kicked.

and I dont care how people dress, I just said that if they are wearing a confederate flag , nascar crap, dirty ass t-shirt, john deer hats or cowboy shit. I didn't mean to offend the people that wear that shit, but I'll tell you what, they won't get good service if I serve them, believe that!
because I know for a fact that I wouldn't get a tip any damn way. like I said, there are very few exceptions (realistically about 1 out of 50)

keg in kc
01-08-2003, 03:39 AM
Hell, how would you treat me if I walked into your restaurant, probably wearing (at best) sweats, probably haven't shaved in two weeks, long hair halfway down my back and several earrings? I'm pretty shy, too, so I probably won't talk much or seem ovely friendly in any way, shape or form -- not unfriendly, mind you, just not all that friendly. Treat me like sh!t and you'd be missing out on at least 15% gratuity and probably more, because I have a tendency to over-tip. The only time I don't tip nicely is if my service is poor, and if it's really bad, I'll only leave a nickel or a quarter, just so the waiter/-tress knows I didn't accidently forget the tip and that the service was horrendous. Treat me fair -- not even 'good', just fair, do it right -- and I never tip less than 15%...

Ebolapox
01-08-2003, 03:43 AM
Originally posted by keg in kc
Hell, how would you treat me if I walked into your restaurant, probably wearing (at best) sweats, probably haven't shaved in two weeks, long hair halfway down my back and several earrings? I'm pretty shy, too, so I probably won't talk much or seem ovely friendly in any way, shape or form -- not unfriendly, mind you, just not all that friendly. Treat me like sh!t and you'd be missing out on at least 15% gratuity and probably more, because I have a tendency to over-tip. The only time I don't tip nicely is if my service is poor, and if it's really bad, I'll only leave a nickel or a quarter, just so the waiter/-tress knows I didn't accidently forget the tip and that the service was horrendous. Treat me fair -- not even 'good', just fair, do it right -- and I never tip less than 15%...

dude, leave exactly nine pennies... it leaves an obvious message... 'your service wasn't worth a dime'

-EBOLA-...not my original idea, got it from a waitress friend

KCChiefsMan
01-08-2003, 03:44 AM
Originally posted by BRAD_CAUDLE


I'm not going to bother with the stupidity of the entire post, but I'll pick one point and hope you can figure out the rest yourself.



Then there are bass ackwards people like yourself, too tied to who either turned you down for the prom or stole your luch money to ever really move on in life. You cling to the same assanine presumptions you had in high school before you left mommy's little nest and found out that in the real world people aren't cookie-cutter coppies of each other like the prejudices in your head. I sometimes refer to persons like yourself as "little people." Like the Umpa-loompas.



you can think that if you want to, but truth is you don't even know me, try waiting tables for a while and tell me you wouldnt care if you didn't get tips. I have a feeling that you met each and every one of the criteria on that list and I just think you are mad about it.

keg in kc
01-08-2003, 03:45 AM
Originally posted by EBOLA


dude, leave exactly nine pennies... it leaves an obvious message... 'your service wasn't worth a dime'

-EBOLA-...not my original idea, got it from a waitress friend Hmm, I might 'borrow' that.

Phobia
01-08-2003, 03:47 AM
You win some, you lose some. I just think you have a shitty attitude about your job. Could be burnout. I hope things work out better for you in your next career.

Sometimes you do things knowing you're going to get nothing in return. It's called pride in yourself and your work. Make an adjustment and I promise that you'll be surprised sometimes.

How much extra effort does it *really* require to give an adequate level of service to EVERYBODY? You're certainly not saving any TIME by being rude - it takes the same duration to field their orders and collect their pay whether you are polite or rude. Applebees isn't exactly 5 star dining. My expectations are not high when eating at such establishments. Your job is thankless, arduous, and stressful. I recognize that. But it's not HARD. You're making it harder than it needs to be.

I used to make $16k per year in the military with a wife and 2 kids to support. When I could afford to go to restaurants, it was a big deal and a sacrifice. Yet, I always managed to take care of my wait staff. In fact, one time in particular, the waitress was extremely helpful and cheerful and we left her an extra $10 during the holidays (on a $20 tab and on top of her regular tip). At that time, I'm sure I was stereotyped as a poor tipper because it was a military town.

I'm just trying to help. Since I'm unaffected, I don't really care one way or another.

KCChiefsMan
01-08-2003, 03:49 AM
Originally posted by keg in kc
Hell, how would you treat me if I walked into your restaurant, probably wearing (at best) sweats, probably haven't shaved in two weeks, long hair halfway down my back and several earrings? I'm pretty shy, too, so I probably won't talk much or seem ovely friendly in any way, shape or form -- not unfriendly, mind you, just not all that friendly. Treat me like sh!t and you'd be missing out on at least 15% gratuity and probably more, because I have a tendency to over-tip. The only time I don't tip nicely is if my service is poor, and if it's really bad, I'll only leave a nickel or a quarter, just so the waiter/-tress knows I didn't accidently forget the tip and that the service was horrendous. Treat me fair -- not even 'good', just fair, do it right -- and I never tip less than 15%...


well i'd probably give you good service if you didn't have a cowboy hat on, confederate flag on, didn't just have 3 teeth, and your t-shirt wasn't all holey and dirty. For the most part, those are the only people I intentionally give bad service to, I dont judge people on how much they shave, or if you're just not that friendly, or if they are wearing sweats. I dont judge people on that, but I do judge people on the criteria that I just mentioned. Sorry if you dont like it, but thats just life. normally the hostess sits those kinds of people to the new/shitty servers that we have working there at the time so normally I won't have to put up with them. Its not just how you look, but I do know when I'm getting a tip or not. I

stanleychief
01-08-2003, 03:50 AM
I can tell you that me and my wife refuse to eat at Applebees precisely for the horrible service we recieved over two years ago. I ALWAYS tip 20% or better. Was I one of the cases where the server guessed wrong? If so then he missed out on an above average tip, and cost the company two customers for life. I fully expect that the response to this will be that it doesn't matter.. I'm only one customer.

I do agree with your point about not going out if you can't afford the tip, and lately we've done a lot of drive-thru, simply because it all adds up! Doesn't mean everyone feels this way though.

RedNeckRaider
01-08-2003, 03:52 AM
Originally posted by KCChiefsMan


and I dont care how people dress, I just said that if they are wearing a confederate flag , nascar crap, dirty ass t-shirt, john deer hats or cowboy shit. I didn't mean to offend the people that wear that shit, but I'll tell you what, they won't get good service if I serve them, believe that!
I don't wear any of the above other than boots, where do you work? I drive through your town from time to time. I be glad to try your food, and you will treat me right, believe that!

Ebolapox
01-08-2003, 03:54 AM
Originally posted by keg in kc
Hmm, I might 'borrow' that.

feel free... it does send a message, I know that much

-EBOLA-

KCChiefsMan
01-08-2003, 03:55 AM
Originally posted by pHoBiA
You win some, you lose some. I just think you have a shitty attitude about your job. Could be burnout. I hope things work out better for you in your next career.

Sometimes you do things knowing you're going to get nothing in return. It's called pride in yourself and your work. Make an adjustment and I promise that you'll be surprised sometimes.

How much extra effort does it *really* require to give an adequate level of service to EVERYBODY? You're certainly not saving any TIME by being rude - it takes the same duration to field their orders and collect their pay whether you are polite or rude. Applebees isn't exactly 5 star dining. My expectations are not high when eating at such establishments. Your job is thankless, arduous, and stressful. I recognize that. But it's not HARD. You're making it harder than it needs to be.

I used to make $16k per year in the military with a wife and 2 kids to support. When I could afford to go to restaurants, it was a big deal and a sacrifice. Yet, I always managed to take care of my wait staff. In fact, one time in particular, the waitress was extremely helpful and cheerful and we left her an extra $10 during the holidays (on a $20 tab and on top of her regular tip). At that time, I'm sure I was stereotyped as a poor tipper because it was a military town.

I'm just trying to help. Since I'm unaffected, I don't really care one way or another.

see, I'm not sure if you guys are understanding what I'm saying here, I like my job, it's a good environment, and I take a LOT of pride in my work, but......I have my own system and it's how I like it and I'm damn good at my job, I know Applebee's isn't five stars, but its not a horrible place either, I'm not expecting 50% or anything ridiculous, just 15% is all I would like to get for giving people good service. I don't give people intentional bad service very often truthfully, thats probably how I made it sound like, but honestly I give intentional bad service mainly when I recognize people that have come in before and not left a tip. and they come back, believe me, but I usually give everybody the benefit of the doubt, but from now on people with cowboy gear or confederate flags will NEVER get good service, I've had it with them.

Ebolapox
01-08-2003, 03:57 AM
Originally posted by KCChiefsMan


see, I'm not sure if you guys are understanding what I'm saying here, I like my job, it's a good environment, and I take a LOT of pride in my work, but......I have my own system and it's how I like it and I'm damn good at my job, I know Applebee's isn't five stars, but its not a horrible place either, I'm not expecting 50% or anything ridiculous, just 15% is all I would like to get for giving people good service. I don't give people intentional bad service very often truthfully, thats probably how I made it sound like, but honestly I give intentional bad service mainly when I recognize people that have come in before and not left a tip. and they come back, believe me, but I usually give everybody the benefit of the doubt, but from now on people with cowboy gear or confederate flags will NEVER get good service, I've had it with them.

which applebees do you work at, and in what city??? I might be forced to take a road trip just to piss you off :toast:

-EBOLA-:D

KCChiefsMan
01-08-2003, 03:57 AM
Originally posted by RedNeckRaider
I don't wear any of the above other than boots, where do you work? I drive through your town from time to time. I be glad to try your food, and you will treat me right, believe that!


I will treat you right huh? I bet I probably wouldn't

KCChiefsMan
01-08-2003, 03:57 AM
Originally posted by EBOLA


which applebees do you work at, and in what city??? I might be forced to take a road trip just to piss you off :toast:

-EBOLA-:D

gee thanks....Lawrence, west

Ebolapox
01-08-2003, 04:00 AM
Originally posted by KCChiefsMan


gee thanks....Lawrence, west

ROFL :LOL:

naw... considering my age, I tip overly generous (generally 20% and up)(also considering cash flow)...I obviously didn't get it from my folks, they're of the school of thought that a buck is good for any meal..... obviously that won't make you friends with any waitor/tress...

-EBOLA-

RedNeckRaider
01-08-2003, 04:03 AM
Originally posted by KCChiefsMan



I will treat you right huh? I bet I probably wouldn't No, cause I have no idea where you work. Most around here know me ,and I don't talk trash, and blow pricks like you off. :banghead: This is unreal, I got pissed at a guy on a pute who does a chicks job ROFL

Phobia
01-08-2003, 04:05 AM
Whoops - I do sometimes meet your criteria. I'm a concrete cowboy. When the rodeo comes to town (and a select few other times of the year), I'll throw on my ostrich boots and beaver felt hat and take the wife out to eat. If you screwed me just 'cuz I'm wearing a hat, you blew it. I'm one of the best tippers I know.

Also, my old man doesn't fit any of your criteria and he's the worst tipper. Every time I eat with him, I augment the tip after he's left the table.

memyselfI
01-08-2003, 08:36 AM
I went to CC to buy some speakers. They were sold out of the set I wanted but instead offered a the next in line model for the same price. I bought them.

Then I had second thoughts about buying components and wanted a HTIB and returned the speakers. After buying the HTIB I immediately had second thoughts and was regretful that I had returned the speakers and other components. I figured I was out of luck because the salesperson had done me a favor.

I went back to CC explained what happened and showed them my receipts. They offered me the speakers again at the same price without making a fuss. They were 'glad' to have me back.

I ended up buying the a few more of my HT components there. Not only did they match the original sale price but I also mentioned that on their internet site they were offering a deal that was not in the store. They matched the internet site deal.

Just a great experience dealing with these folks...especially compared to the BB zoo across the street.

memyselfI
01-08-2003, 08:38 AM
KC, don't answer that. My brother in law has a high ranking position in Applebees... :grr:

PastorMikH
01-08-2003, 09:29 AM
Originally posted by KCChiefsMan



I only care about how much is left on the table,

&

but 10 out of 10 cowboys (forgot to put that on the list) leave NO MORE than a dollar, guarunteed every time,


First one pretty well sums things up.



Let's examine that second one a bit. If they leave just a $1, Let's see, you work probaly 4-6 tables a night (if it is an average resturaunt), possibly as many as 10 when help is down. Let's go with 5 tables though. You can fill those tables at a buffet every 15 - 20 minutes. Order off the menu, you can probably fill those tables close to 2x an hour if you and the cook hustle your services. At $1 tip, 5 tables, filled 2x an hour, that's $10 in tips an hour. $12 an hour with the wage added in (peak times of course). Now, when you figure in that most people tip quite a bit more than a $1, shoot, you are probably better paid than a good number on this board.

Waitering is an easy job. Sure putting up with customers can be fustrating, but it is an easy job. I would suggest you leave the resturaunt biz and get a job with a roofing contractor this next summer. It pays a lot more than $2 an hour, but you won't be quite so bitter when you go back to that indoor, airconditioned job.


Here's a thought, what if those coboys (I'm talking real cowboys, not the John Travolta urban dudes) come in, sit down, shake your hand, realize your hand does not have a callous one on it and your grip is like a wet noodle. Then you don't bust your tail in serving the table, they assume you are lazy and don't tip. Problem is, you pre-judge people and give poor service. What if they pre-judge you and decide they are going to get terrible service up front?


If you will learn how to treat people, your life will go much better.

PastorMikH
01-08-2003, 09:36 AM
Originally posted by RedNeckRaider
I wear jeans, t-shirt, flanel shirt, I wear roper type work boots or cowboy boots, and I always tip at least 15%. I will tell you another thing you act like you are to good for me cause you don't like the way dress, you will not get a penny, and you might get your *** kicked.


Hey Redneck, didn't you mean to say "Rope" belt?


This statement really throws me though. The second part is so typical of a Riaderfan, but the real-person attire instead of a drag gettup really is offbeat for a Raiderfan.:D


BTW, he'd probably completely lose it if you were to ask them to put some Dwight Yokum tunes on the musac speakers.

memyselfI
01-08-2003, 09:44 AM
'Waitering is an easy job.'


I beg to differ.

ANY job is an 'easy' job if you just do it. If you want to do it RIGHT that is when it becomes tricky...

I'm sure I could pray some and talk about God some and make being a Pastor look like an 'easy' job. That does not mean I'd be any good at it and certainly it doesn't mean the people I service would gain any real benefit from it. ;)

I think server (the new name for the profession) is actually a very tricky and difficult job. You are serving people food. The nature of feeding people has all sorts of cultural, class, socio-economic, and psychological dynamics as does the serving of people.

You have people who want to just eat and the only thing between them and the food is you. These people are the ones who get hostile about having to tip, having to wait for you to serve them, having to deal with you at all.

You have people who WANT to be served. They want their presence acknowledged, they want their every needs attended, and these are the people who tend to value good service because they expect it and reward it.

Then you have the folks in between who think that servers are a necessary evil. As such they will use it to their benefit and if they feel the server meets some ingrained psychological criteria they have passed a test and will be fairly rewarded (anywhere from 10-18%) but it doesn't matter so much what the server does as it does what this customer is thinking and what type of mood they are in.

Given these sorts of dynamics...how can one say its an 'easy' job. I did it for ONE day and said 'no, thanks.' But I have many friends who've made little or lots of money doing this.

Some try to make a living doing it...they are truly professionals who would scoff at the idea that their ability to make a life out of serving at fine restraurants is akin and easy as working at Denny's.

Bwana
01-08-2003, 09:48 AM
Mailboxes Etc......THEY SUCK!!!!!!!:cuss:

PastorMikH
01-08-2003, 09:48 AM
Finally made it to the top of the list. One last one here until someone ese posts.

Keg, when you leave those 9 pennies, put them in the bottom of a glass filled with water. Then, take a napkin, put it over the top of the glass and flip the glass upside down. The napkin will hold in the water long enough to flip it. Of course, I would never do that personally (At least not where I was known as a minister - Applebees west Lawrence, maybee) :)

PastorMikH
01-08-2003, 09:54 AM
Denise, was comparing it in the way of hard physical labor that the kid would experience on a construction job site.

It can have it's moments to be sure. And I know a lady's feet can kill her after an 8 hour shift.


-------------------------------------
Scratch the rest of that, I got a bit reactionary there.

Iowanian
01-08-2003, 09:57 AM
Walked into a Conoco Gas station once for a 12 pack of beer.....15minutes later....walked out with 2 chicks at the same time.



now that is customer service.

headsnap
01-08-2003, 10:15 AM
IOMEGA CAN GO TO HELL!!!!!

KCChiefsMan
01-08-2003, 02:54 PM
Originally posted by pHoBiA
Whoops - I do sometimes meet your criteria. I'm a concrete cowboy. When the rodeo comes to town (and a select few other times of the year), I'll throw on my ostrich boots and beaver felt hat and take the wife out to eat. If you screwed me just 'cuz I'm wearing a hat, you blew it. I'm one of the best tippers I know.

Also, my old man doesn't fit any of your criteria and he's the worst tipper. Every time I eat with him, I augment the tip after he's left the table.



sorry then, but I have never gotten a good tip from a cowboy, usually they stiff me and I'm not talking about the times I give them bad service. You may be an exceptional case, but from my experience cowboy's never leave anybody a good tip, ever. and everybody I work with agree's with me

KCChiefsMan
01-08-2003, 03:01 PM
Originally posted by RedNeckRaider
No, cause I have no idea where you work. Most around here know me ,and I don't talk trash, and blow pricks like you off. :banghead: This is unreal, I got pissed at a guy on a pute who does a chicks job ROFL


a chicks job eh? truthfully, I'd rather work with good looking chicks than dudes, hehe believe that!

Phobia
01-08-2003, 03:02 PM
You're not listening to me Paul.

My entire point is that you are screwing yourself. There are many, many exceptions to your prejudice (not just me). The difference between crappy service and adequate service is minimal - you make a little more effort and you would do much better.

Iowanian
01-08-2003, 03:06 PM
KCChiefs...

maybe you're a dick to cowboys. I rode bulls for 2 years and went to ALOT of rodeos all over Iowa, Missouri and some in nebraska.....while some guys are pretty cheap...Most are loyal, friendly, considerate people....and tip according to the level of service.......ps...they know when you're looking down your snotty suburban nose. Alot of "ranchers" wear their lids, have money are tip very well from what i've seen.

Maybe its just your charming personality.

Disclaimer: Doesn't include Trailer park people driving el caminos and wearing State fair cowboy hats and walmart Garth Brooks Fire shirts.

KCChiefsMan
01-08-2003, 03:06 PM
Originally posted by pHoBiA
You're not listening to me Paul.

My entire point is that you are screwing yourself. There are many, many exceptions to your prejudice (not just me). The difference between crappy service and adequate service is minimal - you make a little more effort and you would do much better.


I put a lot of effort into my job Phil, I put a lot of pride into my job. My only prejudice is against people who screw me over. I do fine at my job, very well actually, but my only point was, give somebody good service = $1 tip on a $40 bill, OR have fun with people who I KNOW won't tip me and get nothing and feel better about it, because it really really makes me mad when I get stiffed after giving people good service. But that doesn't happen often because I don't intentionally give people crappy service very often. I probably haven't done that in about a month.

KCChiefsMan
01-08-2003, 03:09 PM
just for everybody's info, I only do that shit to people who screw me over. Why the hell should I care about people that stiff me? anybody that has served tables, and can do their job well, will know EXACTLY what I'm talking about.

Mass-Chief-Fan
01-08-2003, 03:11 PM
This afternoon I go into Ocean State Job Lot (discount store). I get tarps & some tools there cheap. I go to pay & ask if they take company checks. The girl behind the counter says no.

I remembered that I had paid w/ company check before so I ask when this policy started. She says that if it's a company check she'll need to see a license & get approval so its easier to pay cash. I had enough cash to pay the bill ($70), but I gave her the best F*ck you smile I had & said call for approval. She gave me the are you serious face & goes about ringing me out w/ the most attitude I've ever seen. I let it go because I figured she was stuck at that dump for the rest of the day.

Iowanian
01-08-2003, 03:12 PM
I had a guy waitress last night...she was a nice guy.....so I tipped $5 on a $15 meal.


My guess is you're the dick, and thats why you're getting stiffed. People know when you're looking down.

how can you only be a prick AFTER you've been tipped/not tipped...doesn't that happen AFTER the "service".

Lightning Rod
01-08-2003, 03:15 PM
I have always worked with the general public and think we should all remember something that is pretty terrifying.

As stupid as the average person is...


half the people are even dumber.

KCChiefsMan
01-08-2003, 03:15 PM
Originally posted by Iowanian
I had a guy waitress last night...she was a nice guy.....so I tipped $5 on a $15 meal.


My guess is you're the dick, and thats why you're getting stiffed. People know when you're looking down.

how can you only be a prick AFTER you've been tipped/not tipped...doesn't that happen AFTER the "service".



have you ever waited tables before? I really don't think you know what you are talking about.

Rausch
01-08-2003, 03:16 PM
Originally posted by KCChiefsMan
just for everybody's info, I only do that shit to people who screw me over. Why the hell should I care about people that stiff me? anybody that has served tables, and can do their job well, will know EXACTLY what I'm talking about.

Well Mr.Know it all, for one I had something happend to me at the country club back in high school.

THis one doctor never left a tip. NEVER. Was there three days a week and made MAJOR $$$. After about a month you can expect the service he got from most of the guys. However, I was the new guy and didn't need to get chewed out for not doing my job. I figured fug it, life will catch up with him. I'll just do the job and go on.

Come Late October (golf course work is obviously seasonal) he comes in the pro shop and gives my boss 4 envelopes. There was $100 in each one. There were 6 guys that worked there then, and the two total assholes got nothing. Not a penny. Myself and the other three had a keg party...:D

Rausch
01-08-2003, 03:18 PM
Originally posted by KCChiefsMan




have you ever waited tables before? I really don't think you know what you are talking about.

I wait tables every day I work.

Not only do I have to take your order, bring you your food, server you your beer, and then clean up after you, but I also have to cook the shit and take phone orders.

I do MORE than you do, and don't make %10 of the tips you do. And somehow manage to not cry like a baby because Mr.X and his family didn't pick up the tab for my car payment....:rolleyes:

VonneMarie
01-08-2003, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by BRAD_CAUDLE


Well Mr.Know it all, for one I had something happend to me at the country club back in high school.

THis one doctor never left a tip. NEVER. Was there three days a week and made MAJOR $$$. After about a month you can expect the service he got from most of the guys. However, I was the new guy and didn't need to get chewed out for not doing my job. I figured fug it, life will catch up with him. I'll just do the job and go on.

Come Late October (golf course work is obviously seasonal) he comes in the pro shop and gives my boss 4 envelopes. There was $100 in each one. There were 6 guys that worked there then, and the two total assholes got nothing. Not a penny. Myself and the other three had a keg party...:D
Dang, and where do you work at?...I'm thinking pizza hut.

Iowanian
01-08-2003, 03:20 PM
well kccm...

I bagged groceries for 3 years in HS, worked the checkout, and have been in a job my first 3 years out of college where I changed the addresses of every person in 4 counties....sent them a letter with an 800 number and my name, and work with the public now on a regular basis. I've also worked with a business I run on the side doing custom ink drawings for people.

so no...other than volunteering at fall dinners at a church, I've never waited tables....But I do have a log book where I recieved over 700 calls in 4 weeks from pissed off people, and was able to deal with all of them in a courtious manner......except the drunk guy that came in my office at 9am and threatened me.

so Paul, maybe I DO know something about dealing with people, even though I'm not responsible for such demanding duties as filling their Tea and bringing the Pie cart..

VonneMarie
01-08-2003, 03:24 PM
I quoted the wrong thing..but do you work at pizza hut Brad?

KCChiefsMan
01-08-2003, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by Iowanian
well kccm...


so Paul, maybe I DO know something about dealing with people, even though I'm not responsible for such demanding duties as filling their Tea and bringing the Pie cart..


I know a hell of a lot about dealing with people, and some people are just plain and simply assholes, you don't think they exist or something? I've worked at a McDonalds all throughout high school, I was an assistant manager there for 2 years after high school while I attended a JUCO, believe me, my job there required that I be nice to everybody and I did just that, I've never realized what kind of assholes and white trash there are in this world until I worked there. So I do know things about dealing with people.

I never asked you guys to agree with the way I do things, but this is how it is. Yes, I judge the hell out of people because they I have to rely on their tips to make any money at all.

Iowanian
01-08-2003, 04:03 PM
DING! fries are done DING! Fries are done.


anyone who works with the public realizes there are a-holes abound, People with BO, Halitosis, attitude problems, bad days taken out on us blah blah blah.

On the Same token...I realize that alot of those same people work in fast food and the service industry.

The difference is that most of us don't have the option for a tip for good service...its our job and duty to provide quality service to the best of our ability for no additional compensation.

Pennywise
01-08-2003, 04:03 PM
Originally posted by pHoBiA
I'll throw on my ostrich boots and beaver felt hat and take the wife out to eat.


HOLY SHIT! They make hats that big?:eek:

That has to put some sort of dent in the Beaver population. :D

Iowanian
01-08-2003, 04:04 PM
Just like his college sex life.....I'll bet the hat is Faux-beaver.

Phobia
01-08-2003, 04:07 PM
Originally posted by PennyWise
HOLY SHIT! They make hats that big?:eek:

That has to put some sort of dent in the Beaver population. :D

Crazy, isn't it? They had to special order that SOB.

Valiant
01-08-2003, 04:21 PM
man some of you are shoulda woulda coulda...how is it wrong that he discriminates shitty customers, but nothing is wrong when we discriminate shitty broncos fans...:p :p

Rausch
01-08-2003, 04:22 PM
Originally posted by Chiefsgurl18

Dang, and where do you work at?...I'm thinking pizza hut.

Nah, it's a mom and pop pizza place...

Rausch
01-08-2003, 04:24 PM
Originally posted by KCChiefsMan



I know a hell of a lot about dealing with people

No you don't. Apparently you know nothing at all about how to deal with people...

PastorMikH
01-08-2003, 04:37 PM
If I remember right, Paul is working in pre-law. Paul, you have the makings of a fine lawyer.:)


Seriously, people are going to stiff you. You are going to bust your tail with a $50 table and get stuck with no tip. It happens. Some people are going to act like complete jerks. Basically because some of them are. It is all part of working with the public.

Maybe you recognize those people the next time they come in, but it still doesn't make your actions right.

Personally, I would have much more respect for a waiter/waitress if they caught me on the way out and mentioned to me that they noticed the tip was a little slim and if there was some problem with the service rather than take out thier frustrations on me the next time a come in.

Shoot, for all you know, the bus boy could be slipping some of the top before you get to your tips.

Phobia
01-08-2003, 04:44 PM
Originally posted by pastormikh
Shoot, for all you know, the bus boy could be slipping some of the top before you get to your tips.

Especially if said bus boy is aware of your "convictions" about a percentage of your clientel.

KS Smitty
01-08-2003, 05:12 PM
1) if you come in and I've served you before and I know you don't tip, then they'll just get the worst service in the world (and NO I wouldn't ever spit in the food or shit like that, just no refills and really really slow and rude service)
2) if the person is wearing ANYTHING with the confederate flag on it
3) if the person is wearing ANYTHING with Nascar on it
4) if the person has a mullet
5) if they are rude to me regardless of what you look like
6) if they are missing teeth (unless they are really polite)
7) if they look like they are in high school
8) if they are wearing dirty t-shirts
9) if they are wearing John Deer hats
10) if I just get the "I'm not getting a tip from this table vibe"


We fit some of your criteria yet in a reply to this thread (http://64.246.47.4/BB/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42450) we said the following:

We usually tip a minimum of 15% unless the service (not the meal) sucked. It's always based on the bill. We have a friend that does only tip a couple of bucks everytime we go out together and I make sure that we augment it to at least 15%.

You also told us to stop by Carlos O Kelleys (in October) and now you're at Applebees? What happened? Surely it wasn't anything on your part. :rolleyes:

Phobia
01-08-2003, 05:24 PM
What about smelly feet? I can't imagine somebody with smelly feet would tip well. I think waiters should be able to toss patrons in the waiting area to determine if they qualify for their services. Maybe a little interview table in which an application can be filled out and credit history reviewed.

Average_Assclown
01-08-2003, 05:47 PM
You guys can keep flaming away on him, but at Chili's about 90% of the servers felt the same way, and do the same things.

RJ
01-08-2003, 07:19 PM
I stayed in the restaurant/bar business for years after getting a "real job" because I enjoyed the work, the extra $$ and the fact it was great for a young man's social life, if you know what I mean. Being stiffed or poorly tipped was a rare occurence, probably because I was good at my job and had fun with it. Working in sales you deal with rejection every day. There is little rejection when you're the guy with the food and the beer.

Anyhow, as to tips, it was no coincidence that every place I worked there was alway a couple of waiters/waitresses who would pull the most tips every night. Didn't matter what section they were in, what kind of tables they got, what their customers were wearing. They didn't have deals worked out with the hostess. And they all had one thing in common. They were good at their jobs.

If you wait tables and do your job right, are nice to people and make them feel IMPORTANT they will tip you well. If you're doing your job 100% most folks would be embarassed not to.

memyselfI
01-08-2003, 07:29 PM
I'm curious of the ages of these hardcore 'the customer sucks' folks.

Perhaps some of us were raised with the concept of customer service...

before you could purchase stuff online without stepping foot into a store or when you could talk to a real woman named Claire and not some voicemail woman.

Mosbonian
01-08-2003, 07:51 PM
If you read their posts you can see they are from a totally different generation.....

What you should see is how this post was first worded by young Cashman...he even went so far as to deny that he called customers stupid...and edited his post......here is what was originally posted:

I was just wondering if any of you had a good or bad day at a retail store? or work at one and have some info into why some customers are stupid and so on?????

Sad to say, their attitude is starting to become more prevalent amongst the spolied generation....

mmaddog
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Average_Assclown
01-08-2003, 07:59 PM
Originally posted by mmaddog
If you read their posts you can see they are from a totally different generation.....

What you should see is how this post was first worded by young Cashman...he even went so far as to deny that he called customers stupid...and edited his post......here is what was originally posted:



Sad to say, their attitude is starting to become more prevalent amongst the spolied generation....

mmaddog
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Tell us stories from the olden days, please. ZZZ

Nelson Muntz
01-08-2003, 08:06 PM
Originally posted by Above_Average


Tell us stories from the olden days, please. ZZZ


Exhibit A of a poor example of today's youth. :rolleyes:

Mosbonian
01-08-2003, 08:26 PM
Tell us stories from the olden days, please.

Why is it I can always depend upon the weak of mind like you to violate the cardinal rule of survival....

"It's better to remain quiet and make people wonder if you are stupid, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"

mmaddog
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Average_Assclown
01-08-2003, 08:28 PM
Lighten up. You need more Metamucil in your diet. It was a joke!

Mosbonian
01-08-2003, 08:31 PM
Lighten up. You need more Metamucil in your diet. It was a joke

1) It wasn't a joke...it was meant as an insult on your part...

2) Don't need Metamucil....I eat enough roughage...

mmaddog
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Average_Assclown
01-08-2003, 08:32 PM
Originally posted by mmaddog


1) It wasn't a joke...it was meant as an insult on your part...

2) Don't need Metamucil....I eat enough roughage...

mmaddog
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Yes it was a joke. Sorry if you took it as an insult. Just lighten up, pops! :toast:

Clint in Wichita
01-08-2003, 08:34 PM
Maybe this has been posted, but I think it's relevant to this thread:

http://www.theonion.com/onion3850/twelve_customers.html

Mosbonian
01-08-2003, 08:42 PM
Yes it was a joke. Sorry if you took it as an insult. Just lighten up, pops!

I'm not your dad...if i was you wouldn't be so mouthy...

Valiant
01-08-2003, 08:43 PM
mmaddog why is it, everybody is wrong except for you... or is that because you are older and there for get some respect you probably never earned...

Average_Assclown
01-08-2003, 08:46 PM
Originally posted by Valiant
mmaddog why is it, everybody is wrong except for you... or is that because you are older and there for get some respect you probably never earned...

I agree, he does come off as quite the bitter old man. Don't take everything so seriously mmaddog.

Mosbonian
01-08-2003, 09:14 PM
mmaddog why is it, everybody is wrong except for you... or is that because you are older and there for get some respect you probably never earned...

I don't seek respect from people who can't fathom what that truly is....and you two are poster boys for that.

I seek and get respect from my peers....people in my Industry that have worked hard to achieve what they have in life...not kids who still haven't learned what it is like to really have to pay bills, deal with family issues greater than "dad, can i borrow your car, 'cause I wrecked mine', or " damn, i can't go out tonight with Josie cause I got this monster zit on the end of my nose and the middle of my forehead"....

Come back when you get a real job.....

mmaddog
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Valiant
01-08-2003, 09:24 PM
see there is your assumptions agian...

lets see

own a house... finally got a house loan... i will never rent..

own two vehicles...
own a banshee and a waverunner...

i have put myself thru school...only 18 more credits left...and just for you maddog.. it is major in history, major in buisness, almost enough for majors in liberal studies and secondary education...

yeah i really havent learned how to pay bills or deal with real life issues...and to top it off...i will be 25 this year... yeah i sure dont know anything about the real world...


all working for circuit city...

Average_Assclown
01-08-2003, 09:26 PM
Originally posted by mmaddog


I don't seek respect from people who can't fathom what that truly is....and you two are poster boys for that.

I seek and get respect from my peers....people in my Industry that have worked hard to achieve what they have in life...not kids who still haven't learned what it is like to really have to pay bills, deal with family issues greater than "dad, can i borrow your car, 'cause I wrecked mine', or " damn, i can't go out tonight with Josie cause I got this monster zit on the end of my nose and the middle of my forehead"....

Come back when you get a real job.....

mmaddog
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Aren't you wise beyond your years. Never wrecked my car. Nor do I have to worry about zits. You are just a bitter old man who is pissed off at the world for God knows what reason. The problems I have to worry are just as real as yours. You assume way too much. And just out of curiousity, exactly how old are you? I don't expect you to answer that either.

Mosbonian
01-08-2003, 09:29 PM
See how much fun it is to have someone assume something about you that isn't right?

And congratulations on all your achievements....

mmaddog
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Mosbonian
01-08-2003, 09:32 PM
And just out of curiousity, exactly how old are you? I don't expect you to answer that either.

Your reading skills and attention span are lacking...

If you had read thru this thread or the other one you are posting on, i gave my age...but for the impaired, I am 46....

mmaddog
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Average_Assclown
01-08-2003, 09:34 PM
Originally posted by mmaddog


Your reading skills and attention span are lacking...

If you had read thru this thread or the other one you are posting on, i gave my age...but for the impaired, I am 46....

mmaddog
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Sorry pops, I must not have all free time that you enjoy during the day. Sometimes I'm not able to read entire 10 page threads.

Valiant
01-08-2003, 09:37 PM
maddog can i ASSUME that our little diabolical is thru... i am hoping this is the only assumption that will be correct... i will say at least i had fun arguing with you..and agian sorry about the death comment..it was out of line...

Mosbonian
01-08-2003, 09:41 PM
Sorry pops, I must not have all free time that you enjoy during the day. Sometimes I'm not able to read entire 10 page threads.

Once again...skills lacking...

If you look closely, and most of the regulars and vets here can attest to this....I am rarely on here, except for at nite time after i get the kids in bed...

''Sometimes I'm not able to read"....you could have just ended it there and it would have described you perfectly...

mmaddog
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Mosbonian
01-08-2003, 09:43 PM
You are correct to assume our diatribe is finished.....and i enjoy a good argument....

As for the comment..it is forgotten.

mmaddog
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Average_Assclown
01-08-2003, 09:44 PM
Originally posted by mmaddog


If you look closely, and most of the regulars and vets here can attest to this....I am rarely on here, except for at nite time after i get the kids in bed...

mmaddog
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Yikes, the thought you having kids is horrifying. Aren't they the luckiest children in the world, eh pops?

stanleychief
01-08-2003, 09:46 PM
Geez, talk about no attention to detail. Right under mmaddog's name it says 'Class of 74'.. hmm.

2002 - 1974 = 28 yrs

we can assume that most people graduate at 18 or 19

28 + 18 = 46 yrs old.

TADA! Kids these days. Gotta explain everything to them.. ROFL

Average_Assclown
01-08-2003, 09:47 PM
Originally posted by stanleychief
Geez, talk about no attention to detail. Right under mmaddog's name it says 'Class of 74'.. hmm.

2002 - 1974 = 28 yrs

we can assume that most people graduate at 18 or 19

28 + 18 = 46 yrs old.

TADA! Kids these days. Gotta explain everything to them.. ROFL

I didn't assume this guy had a high school diploma.

stanleychief
01-08-2003, 09:50 PM
Uhh.. Err.. :bong:

Doesn't 'Class of' usually refer to the year you graduate? Even had he not graduated, he would still be referring to that as when he should've graduated me thinks.

Mosbonian
01-08-2003, 09:52 PM
Yikes, the thought you having kids is horrifying.

LOL...good try..if that is the best you can do, please feel free to go back to your Blow-Up Bibi doll...

Aren't they the luckiest children in the world, eh pops

Nah, the lucky one is me....

Damn, you're even still juvenile when it comes to your pitiful attempts at humor...

mmaddog
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knows that AA doesn't have the cajones to print his age

Mosbonian
01-08-2003, 09:55 PM
I didn't assume this guy had a high school diploma.

You miss class the day they explained all about assuming things...

Just because you didn't get your diploma doesn't mean everyone in the world left theirs behind too..

mmaddog
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Average_Assclown
01-08-2003, 09:57 PM
Originally posted by mmaddog


You miss class the day they explained all about assuming things...

Just because you didn't get your diploma doesn't mean everyone in the world left theirs behind too..

mmaddog
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Not only did I get my diploma, I did it with style. ;) Full ride through college, pops. Thanks for bringing it up though!

Average_Assclown
01-08-2003, 09:57 PM
Originally posted by mmaddog

mmaddog
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knows that AA doesn't have the cajones to print his age

20, pops.

Mosbonian
01-08-2003, 10:00 PM
Riding thru the campus in the back of your parent's car doesn't qualify as a full ride thru college...you gotta sit in the front seat to be a man...

BTW, I asked for your age, not your IQ.

mmaddog
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Average_Assclown
01-08-2003, 10:02 PM
Originally posted by mmaddog
Riding thru the campus in the back of your parent's car doesn't qualify as a full ride thru college...you gotta sit in the front seat to be a man...

BTW, I asked for your age, not your IQ.

mmaddog
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You sir, are an idiot.

Mosbonian
01-08-2003, 10:06 PM
You sir, are an idiot.

The comeback of a beaten boy....or should i say a beating -off boy...

mmaddog
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Average_Assclown
01-08-2003, 10:07 PM
Originally posted by mmaddog


The comeback of a beaten boy....or should i say a beating -off boy...

mmaddog
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Only to your wife, pops.

Mosbonian
01-08-2003, 10:16 PM
Only to your wife, pops.

Give up boy....your combacks get more lame with each attempt...don't bring anymore shame to the other Bronco fans here who still have their dignity...

mmaddog
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PastorMikH
01-08-2003, 10:17 PM
I guess we can say that the generation gap is alive and well



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we can assume that most people graduate at 18 or 19

28 + 18 = 46 yrs old.

TADA! Kids these days. Gotta explain everything to them..
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It's that new math StanleyChief. If you weren't using the OLD MATH system, you wouldn't have figured that age out so quick.


Maddog, you have to understand something about these young studs. They haven't lived the extra 20-25 years yet to learn the stuff some of the more mature Ladies and Gents here, like yourself, have learned.

Young dudes, mark my words, one day you guys will be the ones that have young guys think you are old-fashioned, senile, and don't know what you are talking about. That is provided you don't make the wrong old dog mad at you.:)

Average_Assclown
01-08-2003, 10:18 PM
Originally posted by mmaddog


Give up boy....your combacks get more lame with each attempt...don't bring anymore shame to the other Bronco fans here who still have their dignity...

mmaddog
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Sorry you need to teach me the good comebacks. Ya know, the ones about mistaking someone's age with their IQ. Keep trying, pops.

KCChiefsMan
01-09-2003, 12:42 AM
you know what, I took your advice tonight because at work tonight I had this table, they looked trashy (honestly) and I gave them really good service, I chatted with them and was really friendly and they were nice back to me, but when it came time for the bill, what happened? their bill was $30 and they actually had the nerve to say to me, here is a check, there is an extra dollar in it for you. Are you people ****ing kidding me? above average seems to agree with me, because he has actually worked at a restaraunt. You guys just don't understand, I'm telling you what happens from my standpoint and you think I'm a bad guy because of it, you need to take a look through my perspective for crying out loud.

PastorMikH
01-09-2003, 12:45 AM
Paul, they fit into the catagory of not tipping at all and you actually pried a buck out of their hands. You should be proud of yourself for an accomplishment like that!;)

Rausch
01-09-2003, 01:08 AM
I guess this is where I'm supposed to step in and stick up for the younger fellas. Tell the old farts they're full of it. My generation is not what you think it is. We see what is, we get it, and we don't fall for the same line of BS and horsepucky you did.

Sorry...Can't.

I don't relate. I see a big gap in who is and who's going to be. I don't like it.

Customer relatons, the way people treat others, the lack of conviction....etc.

Scoff, BS, or lament all you wish, but it's true. It's horseshit, this philosophy I'm hearing about how customers SHOULD be treated. It's echoed on other threads and other opinions...

Ever hear of influencing a person? Self sacrifice? Being an examle to people who AREN'T as considerate as you? Perhaps you putting up with their BS and STILL serving them a nice hot meal MIGHT, just MIGHT, change the way they treat the next guy.

stanleychief
01-09-2003, 01:26 AM
Great point Brad.. It's like road rage. Cutting someone off because they cut you off doesn't solve anything. It might make you feel good for a second, but it just leads to more road rage.

Giving poor service to these people is just reinforcing the fact to them that they shouldn't have to tip good, because they always get crappy service anyway. What if you gave crappy service to someone and they left you a big tip because they believed it was the right thing to do? How would you make that up? Would you expect a good tip next time they visit and sit in your section?

Rausch
01-09-2003, 01:29 AM
Originally posted by stanleychief
Great point Brad.. It's like road rage.

Bad example......

Perhaps that's where Above_Average set's me straight...:D

Average_Assclown
01-09-2003, 01:34 AM
:dom:

Rausch
01-09-2003, 01:36 AM
Originally posted by Above_Average
:dom:

Not sleeping well?
:D

Average_Assclown
01-09-2003, 01:38 AM
No, mmaddog's wife won't ****ing go home already. :banghead:





:eek:

stanleychief
01-09-2003, 01:39 AM
Originally posted by BRAD_CAUDLE


Bad example......

Perhaps that's where Above_Average set's me straight...:D

You mean to tell me that some people on the Planet aren't the most courteous drivers? Say it isn't so! :shake: :D

Rausch
01-09-2003, 01:41 AM
Originally posted by stanleychief


You mean to tell me that some people on the Planet aren't the most courteous drivers? Say it isn't so! :shake: :D

Actually, I'm an azzhole...

This thread just happened to catch me when I was feeling maudlin....:D

CASHMAN
01-09-2003, 11:59 AM
I tip if my waiter is nice and fills my drink up and isnt a pest, i will tip 20% or better but if the waiter thanks that they should get a tip just because and gives bad service oh no they will not get a tip of 20% maybe like 5%. Its your job to serve no one made you take that job of say $2.50 an hour and tips? you want a tip you do the job and you will get one 100% of the time and i am not saying you should kiss peoples a$$, if the place is busy and i can see that i understand slow service but not no service.
some not all people in the restraunt service excpect a tip as soon as you sit down at there table, i eat at chillis alot and they know me there and still if i get good SVC a good TIP bad SVC little TIP.


Oh well its like alot of people say you wont know how they fill until you walk a mile in there shoes. a friend of mine says if most people that were rude to retail and restraunt people every worked in there industry wouldnt be. oh well remember you still have a job and you wake up every morning and are alive.





CASHMAN.

RedNeckRaider
01-09-2003, 12:12 PM
Originally posted by pastormikh



Hey Redneck, didn't you mean to say "Rope" belt?


This statement really throws me though. The second part is so typical of a Riaderfan, but the real-person attire instead of a drag gettup really is offbeat for a Raiderfan.:D


BTW, he'd probably completely lose it if you were to ask them to put some Dwight Yokum tunes on the musac speakers. ROFL I was out of line, guy just struck a nerve I don't make a habit out of letting people on a puter piss me off BTW make that some Hag or George Jones :D

Calcountry
04-21-2004, 04:13 PM
I happened to enjoy my job thoroughly when I didn't have to serve trash.
I was going to read the whole thread through then offer my 2 cents, since I have been in retail for 16 years both as an employee and now as an owner. But I got stopped right here.

I just got done waiting on an awesome customer who is moving to Chicago. I will miss waiting on him and the money that he spends freely here with no griping. But here is the point, the easy money pays the bills(overhead), my money or paycheck is made on the "marginal" customer. PG&E and the phone book MUST be paid first, if there is anything left over, then I get paid. So with that attitude, I try to turn marginal customers into good customers, good customers into great ones, and great ones into friends. You know, the kind who will stop by one more time before the move away and let you know the U Hall is packed.

And here is why I chose to reply to this post. You put the cart before the horse. It is your job to make that persons load a little lighter, cheer them up. Perhaps they got in a fight with the wife and the biotch won't cook supper, do you think that person may not be in a tipping mood. But perhaps after a good meal and good service they WILL tip.

Smell your own armpits for a change.

JazzzLovr
04-21-2004, 04:50 PM
I don't wear any of the above other than boots, where do you work? I drive through your town from time to time. I be glad to try your food, and you will treat me right, believe that!

:LOL:

I missed this thread the first time around. I'm enjoying some of these responses. ;)

JazzzLovr
04-21-2004, 04:59 PM
I had a guy waitress last night...she was a nice guy.....so I tipped $5 on a $15 meal.

ROFL

RedNeckRaider
05-01-2004, 01:24 AM
:LOL:

I missed this thread the first time around. I'm enjoying some of these responses. ;)Dang Jazz you found one of the few threads that got me fired up! And that from a guy who has a chicks job! :shake: I thought we were pals :shake:

Frazod
05-01-2004, 01:45 AM
:LOL:

I missed this thread the first time around. I'm enjoying some of these responses. ;)

Me too. This must have been started when I was still deeply hooked on Knights of the Old Republic.

If we're talking restaurants, one experience comes to mind.

1. Applebee's in Staten Island, in December of '97. I had just driven non-stop from Chicago to New York City in 12 hours, so I was more than a bit wiped out. We (me, the future Mrs. Frazod, my friend Scott and his wife Susan) got to Applebee's shortly before closing. Apparently they were also going to start their Christmas party as soon as the last customers left, so they were none too happy to see us straggle in at the last minute. And boy, did it show. You'd think they'd want to get us out of there quickly, but no - we were ignored. Finally Scott had to flag down a bitch of a waitress to even get drinks ordered. Scott (old Navy buddy) lives in Staten Island, and we had went there on his recommendation, so he was embarrassed and pissed. Anyway, it takes forever to get the drinks, and then we asked for bread sticks. When they were brought to the table, they were cold - and I mean ICE cold. When we complained, they were taken away and returned shortly, and obviously the bitch just took them in back and popped them in the microwave. When we got them back, they were warm but were so ruined by the nuking that neither Scott or myself could pull them apart, let alone bite into them. It was like trying to tear apart of chunk of solid rubber. At that point, we called the manager over, who was a complete, unapologetic dick. We both cussed him out and left, obviously without paying for the drinks (or the food orders that had already been started). IIRC, we ended up eating at Burger King, which was fine by me. I've never set foot in an Applebee's since.

I think Scott pocketed one of the rolls and took it home for his dog as a chew toy. That damn dog is probably still chewing on it. :D

DanT
05-01-2004, 04:15 PM
Eddie Bauer's gave me full replacement value on a jacket (whose waistband had been ruined by a dry-cleaner) even though I had bought the item a few years before and on sale. That impressed me.

Back around that same time, I was the administrator of my department's computer network and did a lot of the repairs and upgrades myself. I called AT&T and asked for a price for an OEM 40Mb hard-drive for one of their PCs and it was so ludicrously high ($750 or so when bigger hard-disks were running about $1/Mb) that it's in the running as my worst retail experience, even though I didn't buy it and all it did was make me laugh into the telephone. ;)

Ugly Duck
05-01-2004, 04:53 PM
At the Moorings restraunt on Tortola in the British Virgin Islands, I called the waitress over and showed her the fly in my iced tea. She stuck her finger in the glass, flicked the fly onto the floor, and waddled away. I called her back and asked for another glass. She took the glass through the swinging doors to the kitchen, turned around, and brought me the same glass.