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The Blessed Virgin Larry
08-24-2000, 07:21 AM
He pulls a GRBACUP....THUD! It's been almost a week and I STILL can't get over it! It was a testimony to the lack of leadership that Grbac continues to display. He could have made a statement last Saturday night. He could have rallied the troops and given us a preview of what to expect in 2000 - IMHO HE DID!

IMHO - The main problem with Elvis is that he NEVER had to EARN the starting job in KC.<P>

redbrian
08-24-2000, 08:23 AM
He couldn't have, IMO. In a fair, head-to-head competition with Gannon prior to the '97 season, there is NO WAY Grbac could've *earned* the job.

Joe Seahawk
08-24-2000, 09:32 AM
no offense but you people make me sick. why don't you get behind him. he's gonna be the starter anyways. no wonder he sucks. thats all he ever hears from anyone.

at your job would you want everyone continually telling you that you suck at your job and they need to find someone replace you? would you like everyone there to criticize your every move?

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redbrian
08-24-2000, 12:27 PM
If I wanted to get behind him, apparently I'd have to take a number and wait for you to finish! http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/tongue.gif

One Arrowhead Dave
08-24-2000, 12:32 PM
I think Grbac has improved enough to be a good QB in the NFL, the only thing he lacks is the leadership. A big step he could take towards doing this is showing emotion on the field, when you throw a good TD pass, celebrate a little.

redbrian
08-24-2000, 12:35 PM
IMO his brain is lacking. He cannot look off the defense, or at more than 2 receivers. He also fails to see LBs and DBs too often, & throws the ball right to them.

If he's going to be a dumb QB, he should at least have freakish physical talent like Jeff George, for instance.

Fat Homer
08-24-2000, 12:37 PM
IMHO, Elvis just needs to learn how to look-off DBs. He tends to 'lock on' to his intended target... and that gets him, and the receiver, in serious trouble. I do not know if it's just a question of an inability to check-off (follow progression), play design, or poor coaching (QB coach). It just needs to be addressed & resolved.

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One Arrowhead Dave
08-24-2000, 12:38 PM
I was hoping to overlook that problem. He will never be a great NFL QB, but he may become a good one, hopefully he will work on the problem of staring down one receiver.

I am not a Grbacer yet, but have potential.

The Blessed Virgin Larry
08-24-2000, 12:56 PM
Slim,
Does your emperor have any colthes? Grbac must earn my support - at least he'll earn something. He certainly did NOT earn the starting job. No offense, but it's people like you that make me sick. I can support the Chiefs and be a Grbasher at the SAME time. Which do you suffer from: Blind loyality or loyality to a fault?

The Blessed Virgin Larry
08-24-2000, 01:00 PM
HC,
You're right. The problem is that Grbac is not getting better. Now with his Gonzlez Security Blanket in check, he's getting worse. He's going to get someone hurt.

Fat Homer
08-24-2000, 01:03 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Helvetica, verdana, ariel">quote:</font><HR>The problem is that Grbac is not getting better<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I don't understand how you can say that! IMO Elvis made huge strides last season - he has improved considerably. I'll reserve judgment on his 2000 season performance until mid-season or so.


[This message has been edited by HC_Chief (edited 08-24-2000).]

sd4chiefs
08-24-2000, 01:08 PM
Grbac's not getting any better? I urge you to pull out game tapes from '98 and compare those with '99 games. One mental mistake in preseason has already got you upset? Give the guy a break!! He'll never see the Hall of Fame but he may be the best in the AFC West in 2000.



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The Blessed Virgin Larry
08-24-2000, 01:10 PM
HC, It easy to say. IMO, Grbac ONLY made strides because they protected him. Think back to when the Chiefs had to pass to get back into a game. How many times were they successful? it's easy to improve when you limit ones chances to screw up. That's exactly what the Chiefs did and the conservative offense is exactly why Grbac has not improved more. When Elvis needs to be the man - he can't.<BR>

The Blessed Virgin Larry
08-24-2000, 01:14 PM
AZ,
Ok I'll do it. Let's see here I'll start with the game at Chicago then I'll look at the game at San Diego, I'll move on to BOTH Seattle games so you don't accuse me of only looking at the early games last year. Nope- he looks the same as he did this pereseason.
Now, I'll ask you to do the same thing and be honest....

The Blessed Virgin Larry
08-24-2000, 01:27 PM
Also Grbac is still making excuses for his play just like in years past. He can say he's a leader but acting like one gets my vote any day.

Fat Homer
08-24-2000, 01:27 PM
TX - you're getting into the 'Catch-22' argument now.

Elvis was 'protected' by a conservative O - because he cannot pass. He could not pass when it was necessary because he was 'protected' by the conservative O.

You see the lack of logic here?

j molina
08-24-2000, 01:28 PM
hi

j molina
08-24-2000, 01:30 PM
that was a test-having problems seeing my post still

Stuckinbama
08-24-2000, 01:34 PM
I'm just nervous as hell about three things...our cornerbacks!!! our running back situation and Grbac.

Grbac has done some nice things as far as displaying more confidence on the field...but his lack of intensity and emotion sometimes concerns me. I think he may have just learned to hide the fear and disappointment he displayed earlier in his career and now just tries to put on a poker face even though many of the same emotions are present - I still think he is unconfident and the system he is in is not going to help boost his ego - run, run, run. But I'm reserving my final judgement until this season is over...I give him a 50% chance of succeeding http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/smile.gif

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The Blessed Virgin Larry
08-24-2000, 01:39 PM
H.C.,
No lack of logic at all. I'll translate it for you:

Elvis was 'protected' by a conservative O - because he cannot pass. He could not pass when he had to because he's not smart enough to run the whole offense so the Chiefs had to limit things. Thus, when the team needs a quick score or when it needs to play catch-up, Elvis is asked to do the very things that he does not do all the time...and he screws up. How's that for logic? <BR>

Frazod
08-24-2000, 05:51 PM
Elvis did fine for me in my fantasy football league last year. I had to take a lot of ribbing for taking him. I just hope he can improve on last year.

Dan

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The Blessed Virgin Larry
08-25-2000, 08:34 AM
GE,
Was Grbac your starter or a back-up? I cashed in on my Fantacy League - get this, I drafted Kurt Warner as my back-up. Nobody had ever heard of him. I won the whole thing much like the Rams. I came out of NOWHERE because I usually finish near the bottom. I had a lethal combination of Warner and Gonzo and I had the Chiefs defense (9 scores). It wasn't even close. I'll NEVER get that lucky again.
BTW, I'd STAY AWAY from Grbac this year if I were you, unless you can get him late. just my opinion.

Fat Homer
08-25-2000, 09:06 AM
TX - that is absolutely ludicrous! If Grbac is so horrible, why in the hell is he still on our roster? Why is he regarded in most circles as the best QB in the AFCW? The problem is: you blamed Elvis for the '97 playoff loss & haven't moved past it (am I wrong?).

The guy has shown improvement - at least give him a chance to prove what he can/cannot do in a real game before you proclaim him the next coming of Steve Bono.

The Blessed Virgin Larry
08-25-2000, 10:03 AM
HC,
I blame Marty for the '97 playoff loss. Grbac played well in that one, except at the most critical point when he needed to use his head and step up. I'll go to my grave believing that Gannon should have started that one because he had the hot hand.

Grbac is on our roster because of the $$$. That also played a big part in why he was the "chosen one" instead of Gannon. Grbac has not ever had to earn the starting job - he's had it handed to him right from the start. He's never had to "produce to play" and it has hurt him IMHO.

I don't care who says he's the best in the West. I form my own opinions based on how I see him play. Now I do agree that he has the BEST ARM in the West, the best play action and long ball, but NOT the most smarts or scrambling ability, leadership, or improvising. In other words, there's MORE to being a good NFL QB than having a great arm. This is where he falls short IMO. It's NOT all his fault - Grbac has NOT been afforded the benefit of good coaching or good O- Coordinators or, here's the best one, or a legit feature RB to help him.

I really don't see the improvement in the "thinking department" and that has always been my argument. There's NO DOUBT that Grbac has the physical skills, but IMHO he does not have what it takes upstairs. I'll certainly give Grbac every chance to prove me wrong - except now I won't bet on it or hold my breath.

Fat Homer
08-25-2000, 10:07 AM
Very well said! I do not disagree with the gist of your post: Grbac was 'handed' the job and has not received proper coaching.

You know something? That is really scary - when the GM screws up by offering an unknown huge amounts of $$, then forces that player to the fore-front so that he(the GM) will not be castigated for making a foolish move. CP's ego is more important than the productivity of our O it seems.

sun
08-25-2000, 10:12 AM
HC
How many chances does he deserve? He is an average QB at best. He will never have the leadership to take them far and will never get respect until he takes charge. You can't lead a team without being able to lead yourself. Maybe he has it in him, maybe he doesn't. Watch him closely......do you see any intensity?

Fat Homer
08-25-2000, 10:22 AM
47 - this year is it! If Grbac does not improve over last season's performance, which BTW was actually above average statistically, then I would make a move for another QB (Trent Green possibly).

sun
08-25-2000, 10:30 AM
I think Grbac has plenty to offer. He just hasn't figured out how to do it. I will support him and hope that he proves many people, including me, wrong. I will, however, never jump on the Grbac bandwaggon.

Fat Homer
08-25-2000, 10:34 AM
I do feel for the guy... I mean heck - if the mayor of SanFran called me a waste of space, then I went on to a new team - only to be injured 2x, blamed for losing a playoff game, and booed constantly - while never having a QB coach who actually played QB, I'd be pretty darn depressed! (Actually, I'd be pissed) http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/wink.gif

The Blessed Virgin Larry
08-26-2000, 01:14 AM
I'm convinced now more than ever that the WHOLE offensive system is BAD. Is it by chance that ALL our QB's $UCK? I don't think so. IMHO, It will NOT matter who's the QB in Raye's system. Doomed to FAIL!

Cannibal
08-26-2000, 02:22 AM
The offensive system sucks. If Raye has never been able to get the job done anywhere else as an OC, and he hasn't gotten the job done in two years here, why would this year be any different?