View Full Version : Big Al Gorleone and his demorats going down for the count today!!!

12-08-2000, 08:45 AM
Let us never forget the honorable, ethical leaders this administration has blessed us with. Noble people such as James Carville, Janet Reno, David Boise, Warren Christopher, Bill Daley, Dianne Feinstein, Joe Lockhart and Madeline Halfbright. They have protected us from all of the terrorists invading our lives with the Anti-Terrorist Bill and Carnivore. They have protected us from ourselves with Gun Legislation. They have even protected us from our own money with the biggest tax increase ever. They have indeed been pillars of strength in protecting our cherished constitutional rights as citizens of this great country. They have served us honorably by providing us with Kosovo, Chinagate, Whitewater, Monicagate, Juanita Broaddrick and the Buddhist Temple campaign contributions. They went beyond the call of duty though with the cover-ups. Goreleones missing e-mails, TWA flight 800, Waco, Ruby Ridge, Vince Foster and the endless body count. Ah yes, they even turned the White House red. And who could ever forget “ I never had relations with that woman”? To what do we deserve such noble statesmen?


12-08-2000, 11:21 AM
Tell us how you really feel, Big Daddy!!!

12-08-2000, 11:56 AM
Thought not a Republican, I think you hve some good points (and all true).

As an independent, I'm wondering: What did the Democrats have to do with TWA 800? Not ripping you, just feel as though I missed something.

~~Left out of the loop?

12-08-2000, 12:52 PM
I was aiming more at this administration than at demorats in general.This administration has allowed the FBI and CIA to cover-up many things regarding the fate of this flight. Then when an independent investigator began to reveal what happened our wonderful justice department went after him and his wife. There is even an eyewitness alliance now who is continueing to try and expose the cover-up. http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=2000/8/26/233217 There are a number of good articles regarding this subject also at http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=1998/12/19/90358

12-08-2000, 01:27 PM
One more to go BABY. Yahoooooo!!!

12-08-2000, 01:31 PM
I agree with this ruling. It is consistent with the Fla Supreme court's earlier ruling. I do find it ironic that Gore, by winning the initial Supreme Courd decision, not only was given a deadline that neither county could meet for the recounts, but sealed the fate of this case as well...

12-08-2000, 02:17 PM
Another ironic thing I learned from nightline last night was that Barry Richard, Bush's lead attorney, is actually a Miami based democrat...

12-08-2000, 02:47 PM
Assuming Dubya becomes President, what will be the first noticeable improvement to this country caused SOLELY by the new Pres.?

12-08-2000, 02:48 PM
Recision of Clinton's Executive Orders would be a great start.

One Arrowhead Dave
12-08-2000, 02:49 PM

No more Gore.

enough improvement for now.<BR>

12-08-2000, 02:51 PM
I have an honest question about Gore. Does anyone know if he hurt his back or neck in an accident or something?

I noticed in his last press conference in front of the White House the fact that the doesnt turn his head independently of his shoulders and torso.

I know the joke on him is he's real stiff, but I never saw it that pronounced.

Anyone know?<P>

12-08-2000, 02:52 PM
The stock market loves these announcements,it's gone up already.

Monday will be a good day on Wall street...

(assuming Gore finally concedes)<BR>

12-08-2000, 02:55 PM
Was that the press conference that he was saying thousands of democratic absentee ballot applications were being thrown in the trash in Seminole county? (totally untrue btw)<P>

12-08-2000, 02:55 PM

Let's start with the removal of the toxic waste currently residing in the White House.

Doesn't have such a problem with the good demorats as much as the backing of the bad ones at any cost.

12-08-2000, 02:57 PM
I believe so, Joe. He was wearing a dark suit with a shiny blue tie and as he looked from right to left he moved his entire body so that he was perpendicular to the microphone/cameras to speak to people on the extreme left or right.

I know he's been labeled a stiff, but I had never seen it that bad and didnt want to make fun of it if he'd actually had something wrong (kind of like Gun's yellow glasses).

12-08-2000, 03:03 PM


12-08-2000, 03:03 PM
Not so fast, Gore gets a partial recount.

12-08-2000, 03:06 PM
The market is already falling after rising substantially earlier...

12-08-2000, 03:08 PM
One key note, the State SC ordered ALL undervotes from ALL couties. Im sure some of the predominantly republican counties will begin counting as well.

This thing will never end.

In the end the U.S. loses. I hope Gore is proud of himself.

12-08-2000, 03:09 PM
How can they count 200,000 undervotes by tuesday?

This court is ridiculous!!

12-08-2000, 03:28 PM
Total Bullsh*t,

This will never fly. Do not forget what these rats are putting this country through. The only thing that they care about is winning and I still bet that they do not.

Still in disbelief<BR>

12-08-2000, 03:34 PM

I agree completely..The Florida supreme court has really made this an absolute mess!
There is no legal right for them to do what they did. the U.S. supreme court IMO will totally reverse this decision along with a strong reprimand.

Also the legislature will adopt a bill where the state supreme court judges will have to be elected instead of appointed, all of these judges will be voted out of their chair.

12-08-2000, 03:36 PM

THIS IS WRONG!!!!!! I'M MAD !!!! http://www.chiefsplanet.com/ubb/mad.gif

12-08-2000, 03:36 PM
Gore should've already conceded. Let Dubya make a fool out of himself for 4 years.

Maybe he can "unite the country" through laughter.

12-08-2000, 03:40 PM
Clint, how do you feel about this? This simply isn't right - no matter how you feel about GW and the Repubs

12-08-2000, 03:43 PM
I think the whole thing is a disgrace. Bush was the first to drag this into the courts, & Gore is continuing what Bush started.

IMO either Florida (the entire state) should've gone back to the polls or been left out of the electoral college altogether.

Congress should pass a bill officially declaring Florida the "Dumbest State in the Country".

12-08-2000, 03:43 PM
Can you put your bias in your pocket long enough to give a straight opinion??

Is not sure your BIG enough.

12-08-2000, 03:48 PM
Like I said before. My problem is not with the demorats in general. It is demorats like you that will stick up for even the very most corrupt ones at any cost.

You don't want to piss off the republicans.

12-08-2000, 03:50 PM
I guess I've slept since Bush took this to court first. Refresh my memory please about him being first.

12-08-2000, 03:53 PM
I'm not sticking up for Gore at all.

IMO any time a vote is that close, there should be a reVOTE, rather than a reCOUNT. It would be expensive, but I'll bet it would be cheaper than all those lawyers.

12-08-2000, 04:00 PM
PLEASE, that would be the most corrupt election of all time. Everyone would know that they were controlling who would be the next president of the US. Hell, Big Al was already handing out cigarettes for votes. Imagine with how corrupt this administration is how much bribery would be going on then.

Doesn't think that is a good idea.

12-08-2000, 04:01 PM
It would happen on both sides, I'm sure.

12-08-2000, 04:02 PM
The US Supreme Court is going to overturn this one so fast...<BR>

12-08-2000, 04:05 PM
Didn't the Supreme Court just send it BACK to Florida?

12-08-2000, 04:08 PM
No, the US Supreme court "vacated" the Florida Supreme Court's decision and asked for a clarification of Florida's reasoning.

The Florida court chose not to answer the US Supreme Court... Rather, they chose to ignore it... which is an answer in itself...

12-08-2000, 04:10 PM
These demorats are like a bad case of herpes. Every time you think that you are finally rid of them there back. They never really go away, they just continue to infect and spread like a viral disease does until they have infected everyone.

Feels that it is inevitable. They will eventually turn us into a completely socialistic society.

12-08-2000, 04:12 PM
What's your experience with herpes, BD? http://www.chiefsplanet.com/ubb/wink.gif

12-08-2000, 04:20 PM
Bob Dole says Elvis has never won a playoff game...

12-08-2000, 04:23 PM
LOL @ fly.<BR>

12-08-2000, 04:23 PM
What worries me the most is that the demorats are willing to do anything in order to win. The Repulicans seemed more concerned about being good statesmen. It is time that everyone who is not a demorat smite them 10X. Anything short of that would be concedeing to these bastards.

IS encouraging going out and rattling the cages of all demorats.

12-08-2000, 04:24 PM
I knew someone was going to say that.

12-08-2000, 04:27 PM
Well, BD, wasn't sure if you were taking a shot at me or not. Just so you know, I wasn't taking one at you.

All in good fun..............

12-08-2000, 04:28 PM
Like other great men have said before me, all I know is that Elvis Grbac has never won a playoff game. Or so I hear...

12-08-2000, 04:29 PM
"What worries me the most is that the demorats are willing to do anything in order to win. The Repulicans seemed more concerned about being good statesmen."

WHAT?! Regardless of your political stance, you can be far more objective than that. That quote was just silly, and I don't believe that you honestly believe your own post.

The Republicans seemed more concerned about being good statemen. JEEEESUS!!

12-08-2000, 04:33 PM
The democrats will win this one simply because Elvis has never won a playoff game in real life, or on the PS, N64, DC, or PS2.

And I get the feeling that if Gore concedes, he will be doing so because Elvis has never won a playoff game (I know I wouldn't want to be Pres. until Elvis at least won a wild card game).

The world is starting to make much more sense to me now.

"Daddy, why is the sky blue?"
"That's easy, honey, it's because Elvis has never won a playoff game."

I bet KU would have done better last night if Elvis would have won a playoff game somewhere along the line....I just KNOW IT!

12-08-2000, 04:36 PM
How would Elvis help KU? He went to Michigan!

12-08-2000, 04:45 PM
If Elvis wins a playoff game:

There will be world peace.
The U.S. will get a President.
The hole in the O-zone will close.
There will be enough food for every man, woman, child, and cat on the face of the Earth and none will go hungry again.
Oil prices will drop by over 50%.
The Dow will top 20,000.
Time travel will be possible.
Nobody will ever have to work another day in their lives.
KU will win the National College Basketball Championship and Paul Pierce will return for his senior year.
Santa will be out of a job - Elvis can do it.
I know there's more around here somewhere...<BR>

12-08-2000, 04:46 PM
This administration is horribly corrupt. Why do you keep justifying their pathetic corruption by saying that your sure that the Republicans would do it to? Does this make you feel better about defending them?

Does enjoy your genuine answers at times and debating with you when it's not an at all costs stance you take.

12-08-2000, 04:48 PM
Will have a president and it won't be Big Al Goreleone?.

Is just wondering

12-08-2000, 04:57 PM
Oh yeah, if Elvis ever wins a playoff game (with a political twist):

Harmless Chads everywhere will be saved from the brutal extermination known as "hanging".
Chad pregnancies will be decreased by over 75%.
The only people being "disenfranchised" will be people who tried to order breakfast at Mickey-D's after 10:30.
The elusive "butterfly ballot" (ballotous butterflyous) will be re-introduced to it's natural home in the Galapagos.
Diana Ross will be named head of the "Supreme" court.
Dick Cheney will go a week without a heart attack.
Al Gore will go a week without inventing something.
"Dubya" will get serious for once.
The Star BB will go silent (you know who and you know why).

Elvis IS da man!

12-08-2000, 05:02 PM
BD - I don't know for sure. All I know is that if Elvis wins a playoff game, things everywhere will start to fall into place. I cannot say who will win or who won't. I can say that we will get a President...that is, if Elvis ever wins a playoff game.

Elvis for President (after he wins a playoff game)!!!

12-08-2000, 05:12 PM
Check out page 41 of the opinion...
At least one justice was sensible...


12-08-2000, 05:32 PM
I agree. James Baker just came on and went over what chief justice Charles Wells said. I wish the Republicans would aggressively pursue destroying the lives of these defiant justices the way the demorats have gone after their enemies.

There is no point negotiating with scoundrals.

12-08-2000, 05:44 PM
And I thought we'd be waking up from this f#cking nightmare today. Hopefully, between the Florida legislature and the U.S. Supreme Court, someone will finally and mercilessly stomp out Sore Loserman's latest outrageous attempt to steal this country.

My level of digust for this maggots continues to grow unchecked.

I do like the Gorelione handle, though. :D


Have you had your Daley fix?

12-08-2000, 11:07 PM
I dunno, DADDY. It looks like Bushlosvic's worst nightmare is become real - Florida's votes will be counted starting 8:00AM Saturday. Thank goodness the Florida legislature had in place statutes that call for handcounts in close elections. When the deadline and the right to handcount conflicted, the Florida Supreme Court held the will of the people paramount. And the Court sez use the standands for handcounting that the legislature put in place before the election. All the court decisions of the day held the will of the voter to be paramount. Bushlosovic liked that when the rescued votes favored him, but he hates it when they may go the other way. Now the Reublican legislature wants to backtrack on its own statutes and standards after the fact, in spite of their laments about "changing the rules" after the election. No longer can they claim the "selected Dem counties" line. Now ALL the counties will be counted as Al had wished. Bushlosovic sez he trusts the people, but that democracy thing really bugs him.

12-08-2000, 11:24 PM
According to CNN, "In counties that favored Bush, there were 25,699 undervotes. In counties that voted for Gore, there were 17,733 undervotes."

So who knows, Bush might still win this thing outright...

12-08-2000, 11:55 PM
I don't think the Foul Four of the Fla Supreme court were very smart. Their opinion clearly thumbs their nose at the US Supreme Court, so much so that the other three justices write dissenting opinions so clear as to make the case for the Bush legal teams appeal to the US Supreme Ct and provides clear definition for the injunction to stop the counting tommorow in the Atlanta Appeals court. On top of this in the foul fours disertation they basically tell the Supreme Ct to go to he1l, the count is what we say it is and you cannot vacate our decision. Again the dissenting 3 (including the Fla Chief Justice point this error out in their dissenting opinion. I suspect that the Fla. Supreme Court is going to take a severe beating from the US Supreme Court. I doubt if even Justice Ginsberg will take kindly to this decision. My guess is the injunction is approved in the morning and by Tuesday the US Supreme Court has overturned this decision and thrashed the Florida Foul Four so thoroughly that they will be hurting for years to come. It is not very wise to tell the Supreme Court of the US to go to He1l it is none of their business, which is what this ruling basically did.

12-09-2000, 12:28 AM
Hey Logical....I thought the US Supreme Court's admonished the Florida court to base its opinions on Florida statutes and not the constitution. So the majority opinion was very careful to follow the Florida statutes for election contest. It looks like they didn't thumb their noses at the US Court, but rather took their admonishment to heart.

12-09-2000, 12:42 AM

Read the dissenting opinions starting on page 41 and going all the way through page 68 and the first couple of lines on page 69. The three justices (includes the Chief Justice) clearly define all the ways the foul four screwed up, how they violated Florida Statuatory Law, how they overturned their own decision in the first Florida ruling by extending their own deadline, how they are clearly now establish law after the fact. Both dissents are very, very, clear. This will be an open and shut case before the US Supreme Court, and it was written as a dissent by the three justices of the Florida Supreme Court, if we Republicans think the Fla Supreme Court screw@d up the first time, this one is the biggest Royal Cluster Fvck of all time. Their have been tons of legal analysts on the radio and television networks saying that this decision has no chance of holding up in the US Supreme Court, including a lawyer for the Gore team that went on a Radio network with his voice disguised. He said the Gore legal team knows it cannot hold this up and win in the US Supreme Court and are just hoping to delay the decision long enough to get enough votes counted to hurt Bush more, so that Gore can regain some of his lost respect and have a chance in 2004.

Jim Reynolds
If I were a Democrat I would surely be a sore loser!

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12-09-2000, 01:02 AM
www.flcourts.org (http://www.flcourts.org)

check out page 41...Chief Justice Well's scathing opine of his peers...<P>

12-09-2000, 09:12 AM
Logical - Sure, I read the dissenting opinion. But the majority are equally convinced that their directives are within the law. Just like the Court, citizens have differing opinions. I still expect Bushlosovic to take the Whitehouse, and I also expect that you and I will have differing opinions about the process that crowned him.

12-09-2000, 09:23 AM
Duck - Respectfully, you are as wrong as you can be on this one....

The Chief Justice of the Florida Supreme Court himself stated that there is no current law guiding the 4-3 ruling but rather "This essential principle, that the outcome of elections be determined by the will of the voters, forms the foundation of the election code enacted by the Florida Legislature and has been consistently applied by this Court in resolving elections disputes. We are dealing with the essence of the structure of our democratic society; with the interrelationship, within that framework, BETWEEN the United States Constitution and the statutory scheme established pursuant to that authority by the Florida Legislature."

Not "OF the United States Constitution" nor "Nor OF the Florida Statutes" But rather "BETWEEN" them.

A Judicial Body does not make new laws, it is supposed to INTERPRET the law AS IT IS - whether the Body likes the law or not.

The Supreme Court of the United States of America MUST intervene and show the 4 democratic nominated Justices that they are simply pulling a party line and not doing the job they were hired to do.

12-09-2000, 09:41 AM
Yo, Wolf. Sure makes for dramatic reading, but the majority disagrees with that opinion.

12-09-2000, 09:45 AM
Duck - You mean the democratic installed majority of Justices, not the majority.

If the majority agreed, then they wouldnt have been reprimanded by the US Supreme Court in the first place... as they will again.

12-09-2000, 10:25 AM
Sorry, Wolf - that's what I meant.

I thought the US Court admonished, not reprimanded, the Florida Court. They warned Florida to base their judgements on Florida statutes, and not the Constitution. They didn't say the Florida dudes did wrong, but asked for clarification.

12-09-2000, 10:46 AM
By the way, the US Supreme Court has refused to stop the handcount. Another defeat for Bushlosovic in his campaign to keep Floridian votes from being counted.

12-09-2000, 11:21 AM

typical Raider fan.. http://www.chiefsplanet.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

12-09-2000, 11:29 AM

I am pretty sure you have it wrong in post 65. I have been listening to the radio and I think you got it wrong. My understanding is that Bush appealed to the Fla Supreme Ct, the US Supreme Ct, and the Federal Appeals Ct in Atlanta. The radio report I heard said that only the Florida Supreme Court has made a decision and they turned Bush down. If you have a website that indicates it is the US Supreme Court I would like it, so I can read about it. I have went to CBS, CNN, Fox, NBC, and Voter.com and none of them are reporting that the US Supreme Court has turned Bush down.

Jim Reynolds
If I were a Democrat I would surely be a sore loser!

12-09-2000, 11:36 AM

What a Dork!

Sorry, couldn't resist.

12-09-2000, 12:16 PM
Hey Logical and fellow Seahawk fan - my bad. I heard there was a 4-3 decision to refuse a Bushlosovic request for a stay, and I thought they were talking about the USSC. Apparently, the Bushoslavians have fired off a barrage of suits in several courts, and the refusal was from one of those.

12-09-2000, 12:28 PM
Duck - You are correct, The GoreBachov Judges are to base their arguments on Florida Law. Which if you read their response below, was not done.

Clarification or reprimand, it was a slap in the face of the Supreme Court of Florida. What they were told is "We cannot find any law which you base your decision, isnt that to be your basic job? Please point out the law in your decision." Pretty humiliating for someone who is to be the best of the best of Florida.

And the 4 democractic nominated judges responded "well, we didnt really use law, but something in between Florida law and United States law".

They will have their decision wiped away once again.

12-09-2000, 01:06 PM
Hey Duck I am going to tease you a bit.

The Florida Supreme Court has 7 members, the US Supreme Court has 9. Have you been counting votes for Gore, the inflation of the count would be a natural progression. (i.e., that 4+3=9)

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12-09-2000, 01:24 PM
That picture posted of alGore looks like he just to a hit off a joint!!! He wants to get the full affect of that hit!!!

And Now Gore attorney Boise says to UPI that they would press to JUST USE MIAMI-DADE votes in this re-re-re-recount, instead of
using the whole states re-re-re-recount.

Talk about a fishing expedition. C'mon
US Supreme Court. Follow the rule of law.

Chiefs Rock

12-09-2000, 01:37 PM
Now the US Circuit Court of Appeals has joined the Fla Supreme Court in denying the Bushlosovic request to stop the handcounts. The Bushoslavians are very unhappy. But the Court did say that Cruella cannot certify them until the US Supreme Court gives its blessings.

12-09-2000, 01:50 PM
Hurray for the US Constitution! Hurray for the US Supreme Court!<BR>

12-09-2000, 01:53 PM
Anybody remember "Schoolhouse Rock"?

I'm just a bill, yes I'm only a bill.....

12-09-2000, 01:56 PM
DUCK - LMAO!!!! I believe it is the SUpreme COurt who has a final say so on the matter - the self same Supreme Court that states GoreBachov's recount must stop as the true LEGALITY of the recount must be assessed.

I believe earlier you stated that the words I printed were 'pretty' but didnt mean squat. I ask that you go back and read them again - The FINAL stop on this legal ride agrees with my interpretation of the matter.

12-09-2000, 02:04 PM
The Wolf calls it. A split decision has stopped the count. Thats it. Game over. Fat Lady sings. The Bushoslavians have managed to put Bushlosovic on the throne. All hail the Rule of Law, even when we don't agree with the split decisions.

12-09-2000, 02:06 PM
Upholding the Constitution is NOT a Pavlovian exercise, UD... Cut the crap...<BR>

12-09-2000, 02:16 PM
Duck is right, how dare they actually use LAW in the Supreme Court instead of their feelings?

12-09-2000, 02:20 PM
Duck - Sometimes you spin better than Carville... "split decision"? Funny, I never saw those words out of you when you mentioned the Florida Supreme Court decision... Of course, I am sure that you merely overlooked the opportunity to be unbiased, right?

12-09-2000, 02:38 PM
Don't hurt me, Wolfman. My team just lost the SuperBowl. My only consolation is that it was not a unamimous vote.

12-09-2000, 02:43 PM
Hey I just thought of something.....What if the Florida 7 reverse the Seminole and Martin county decisions...YIKES!!

That freakin court makes me nervous!

12-09-2000, 02:47 PM

I am at work and my computers sound card died, fill me in what did the US Supreme court rule. Was it just a stay or was it the actual ruling?

Jim Reynolds
If I were a Democrat I would surely be a sore loser!

12-09-2000, 02:49 PM
Jim, It was a stay...Oral arguments on monday morning..

5-4 decision to stay.

12-09-2000, 02:52 PM
Thanks Joe,

Not as decisive as I hoped, but stopping the count is not as easy as realizing the Florida court attempted to Bltch Slap you and handing them their proper come uppance after hearing the oral arguments.

Jim Reynolds
If I were a Democrat I would surely be a sore loser!

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12-09-2000, 02:55 PM
Yeah, it was just a stay. But read between the lines. Oral arguments on Monday means the votes can't be counted in time to avert a crises. I believe the USSC is making sure that only one slate of electors gets to Washington. Sacrifice the votes of Floridians and the campaign of Gore for the good of the country. This is the death knell. Case closed.

12-09-2000, 03:00 PM
Hey UD,

I seem to recall that you live in Ca. If that is correct have you heard anything on the results of the CA 1.3 million vote absentee/mail-in count that came in after the 7th of November. I got on the State website Thursday and it showed only 45K left to count, but I could not get in on Friday or today. If the 1.3 million come out as strongly Republican as they have on average in the last four Presidential elections Bush will attain another 300 to 350k over Gore and take back the popular vote. I would really love that, as much as you would surely hate it. The site on Thursday again repeated the no partial results would be announced. That the results for the 1.3 million would be announced simultaneously. Seems pretty smart when you consider the disaster going on in Florida. I suspect they are waiting until the whole thing down there clears up, so they avoid Gores legal team rushing into California to challenge the results.

What have you heard and what are your thoughts on this?

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12-09-2000, 03:10 PM
I dunno whats up with that. Haven't heard much about it.

12-09-2000, 05:12 PM
According to the Florida Supreme Court Elvis has never won a playoff game, but they are considering the issue for the sake of counting all the frustrated Chiefs fans who have waited so long for a win...

12-09-2000, 05:30 PM
Fly, well done. LOL http://www.chiefsplanet.com/ubb/biggrin.gif

12-09-2000, 08:11 PM
Thanx for the picture. I just took out my machine gun software and blew it away.

Feeling better now

12-11-2000, 10:50 AM
Will today be the day? I sure hope so.

Baby Lee
12-11-2000, 11:13 AM
I hear Gore isn't satisfied with the last playoff game and is still holding out for a re-count. He may have won that play-off game.


Brian K.

Too bad the only people who know how to run the country are busy driving cabs and cutting hair.
[i]George Burns </I>

12-11-2000, 11:57 AM
This thing is a mess. Ruth Ginsburg is a freaking beeoch. Is it even possibe for someone to be more bias? This better end today.

12-11-2000, 12:37 PM
I really don't like the way this is sounding. The justices beat the crap out of Bush's attorney and Klock as well. Ginsburg is profiling so it is obvious how she is going to vote. That buck tooth beeoch is a woman with an agenda if I have ever seen one. They are being much easier on Boies. The market hasn't freaked yet so maybe I am just over reacting. Anybody else listening to this? Opinions?

12-11-2000, 12:41 PM
Im listening.

12-11-2000, 12:42 PM
The justices are tearing Boies apart now. They don't hold back at all.

O'Connor remarked that it appeared the FSC ignored their earlier USSC decision and she was concerned with that!<BR>

12-11-2000, 12:47 PM
Yes they are. It is about time. Scalia seems pretty sharp.

12-11-2000, 12:51 PM
I like OConnor. She doesn't like being beech-slapped by the FSC. She's gonna get 'em!!!! http://www.chiefsplanet.com/ubb/mad.gif

12-11-2000, 01:19 PM
Utterly disappointed...

It was obvious from the questions as to how each Justice was leaning.

Let's forget about the fact that this is just more Judicial Activisim on top of the Florida Supreme Court's re-writing of existing law.

It's a pretty sad day for America.

12-11-2000, 01:23 PM
Titus, what happened? NOthing on msnbc or cnn

12-11-2000, 01:26 PM
It is going to be 5-4 for Bush. Ginsburg is a cu*t. The juditial system has always been like this KCT, were you actually expecting something different?

Wants to see Big Al Gorleone cry about the fact that he was cheated tonight. I saved a special bottle of scotch for the occasion.

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12-11-2000, 01:33 PM
Wis: they just finished playing the audio of the arguments in the U.S. Supreme Court.

This never should have gotten this far. The courts should have stayed out of it after it was found there was NO Fraud and that the Voting Machines did NOT malfunction.

Judicial Activism is going to ruin the separation of powers. I find it ironic that the fight for the presidency is no more than a fight to appoint justices of the Supreme Court. As Madison feared, the SC has all the power.

BD: I wouldnt say that and quite frankly, I dont care who wins at this point. I was expecting to hear the justices ask questions about points of law, not hypothetical situations. It was obvious that those sympathetic to Gore's case were more worried about HOW to count the votes rather than IF they should be counted.

No discussion about the burden of proof to uphold a contest of an election, no discussion on the ability of the FL SC to add to their already vacated ruling, although O'Conner did touch on it.

Sad day.

12-11-2000, 01:34 PM
I don't know if it's going to be a 5-4 decision or not. The Justices ripped into everyone. No one was spared.

I'm expecting a 6-3 vote one way or the other...<BR>

12-11-2000, 01:45 PM
There was certainly alot of profiling of the positions. My guess is that they already had made up their minds before they ever entered the coutroom. This ended up being more of a symbolic gesture than an actual hearing. I still feel that the Florida Supreme Court drew the line in the sand with their very bias ruling and then forced the issue down party lines. It has got to be hard to try to remain unbias with beeoches like Ginburg in there as well. When someone is so bias down part lines like she was it makes it hard to remain objective. I do think that O'conner was trying to make the right decision though and she should end up being the tie breaker.

Is going to record Whores concession speech and re-play it everytime he gets depressed. :)

KC Hawke
12-11-2000, 01:50 PM

Here's the starting lineup

Chief Justice W.H. Rehnquist
Born: October 1, 1924 (Milwaukee)
Appointed as Justice: by President Nixon (1972)
Appointed Chief Justice: by President Reagan (1986)

Justice J.P. Stevens
Born: April 20, 1920 (Chicago)
Appointed as Justice: by President Ford (1975)

Justice S.D. O'Connor
Born: March 26, 1930 (ElPaso)
Appointed as Justice: by President Reagan (1981)

Justice A. Scalia
Born: March 11, 1936 (Trenton)
Appointed as Justice: by President Reagan (1986)

Justice A.M. Kennedy
Born: July 23, 1936 (Sacremento)
Appointed as Justice: By President Reagan (1988)

Justice D.H. Souter
Born: September 17, 1939 (Melrose, MA)
Appointed as Justice: by President Bush (1990)

Justice C. Thomas
Born: June 23, 1948 (near Savannah)
Appointed as Justice: by President Bush (1991)

Justice R.B. Ginsburg
Born: March 15, 1933 (Brooklyn)
Appointed as Justice: by President Clinton (1993)

Justice S.C. Breyer
Born: August 15, 1938 (San Francisco)
Appointed as Justice: by President Clinton (1994)

if anyone would like to comment on the political "affiliation" of these folks . . . I'm all eyes!

Chief Justice Pants
(D)- Texas

12-11-2000, 01:51 PM
BD: Ginsburg didnt strike me that way as much as Souter did because he didnt seem concerned with the legality of what his position was but rather how to create a standard by which the ballots could be counted. A CLEAR violation of the constitution by creating a law (the standard) after the election.

It's frustrating that it ever reached this point. If the FL SC had done it's job, it would have upheld the fact that Gore didnt prove with any evidence that there was fraud or voting machine malfunction. Voter Error is NOT grounds for a re-count.

All this has done is put a cloud of illegitimacy over the election and the new president and at this point, I would much rather that cloud be hanging over Algore.

12-11-2000, 02:00 PM
I think that it would help if we received better than a 5-4 verdict here. I would like to see the cloud over Sore, but I cannot imagine seeing him end up being rewarded for his behavior in this election. I think that would do more harm than any other conclusion.

Thinks that this entire process will wake up the Republicans.FINALLY

Kurt Surber
12-11-2000, 02:16 PM
Hearing the justices entertain the notion of ANOTHER remand to Floriduh brought back to mind a question I conjured while at my MOST cynical this weekend. Is it possible that the Chief Justice in Floriduh issued his scathing rebuke in part to give his assent an air of authority were a remand to issue from SCOTUS?
That is, the justices obviously arrive at their decisions in full view of the position of the others. And they knew their decision was likely to be appealed. Could the Chief Justice have issued its fiery denouncement, if only in part, to afford him an opportunity to agree to another formulation down the road on remand.
Conservatives were giddy about his language and lauded him, quoted him, etc. Seemingly forgetting his position a mere week before. Now hwaving their praise on tape, he reviews a new standard for recounting and solemnly states, "my fears have been allayed. Let the recount commence." Now the conservative pundits have no currency with which to challenge him at that point, and SCOTUS will be relucant to take this up a THIRD time.

12-11-2000, 02:21 PM
JC: That IS cynical, but I have to admit I considered it as well. I found it quite interesting that the SCOTSOF split after their earlier ruling.

12-11-2000, 06:08 PM
Well it is over for the night. They say that the longer that it takes, the better for Bush. I am not exactly sure if I believe that. The longer to me just means that it is very close. I never trust the rats when it is this close. I really hope Bush wins tomorrow and this BS is finally over with.I think that a decisive decision would help the incoming president. A 5-4 decision would just add fuel to the fire that is already dividing society.

Wants closure.

12-11-2000, 06:11 PM
BD - I disagree, since most of the appointees are Republican nominated unless you had a sweeping unanimous decision, some will whine.

Gregg is right, this should have never gotten as far as it has. How many more elections will have to be defended in a courtroom from here out?

12-11-2000, 06:25 PM
I agree that it never should have gotten this far. I am probably just being paranoid in my old age but who can blame me after watching the FSC spit in everyones eye. I never thought that would happen either.

Still freaked out.