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ENDelt260
08-14-2003, 02:30 PM
Okay, this isn't about the Royals.... but, after reading it, I just had to share. I couldn't live thinking I was the only one who had read it.


In fact, the question, "What were Roy Hobbs' stats during his one season for the New York Knights?" has to rank among the most mindless-yet-fun sports movie arguments, right up there with "How many points did Jimmy Chitwood average for Hickory High?" and "What did Danny Noonan shoot on the back nine at Bushwood after he replaced Al Czervik?"

To answer the Hobbs question, you need to figure in a few variables:

The Knights called Hobbs up to the majors after the season started; once he joined the team, Pop buried him on the bench for the first few weeks behind Bump Bailey, even barring him from batting practice. So that cost Hobbs at least a month of the season before Bump Bailey's tragic death pushed him into the starting lineup.

If you want to pinpoint an exact date for Hobbs' first game, following his four-homer barrage in Chicago -- when Hobbs reunited with Glenn Close's character and snapped out of a long slump -- the movie showed one of those highlight-newspaper clip montage scenes, and one of the papers said "July 5" on it. Since he'd been in the lineup for a few weeks, that means Hobbs probably didn't start playing every day until mid-May at the earliest.

We also need to factor in his late-June slump (when he started dating Kim Basinger).

The movie showed at least 17-20 Hobbs home runs during the season. Warrants mentioning.

Without any protection hitting behind him in the Knights lineup, Hobbs probably drew a ton of walks (like Barry Bonds this season).

Redford was painfully slow as Hobbs, so he didn't beat out many leg hits (think Ted Williams in the late-'50s).

If he were hitting over .400 near the end of the season, they probably would have alluded to it in the movie.

Hobbs missed three games in the final week with abdominal pains. And since baseball only played 154-game seasons back in the '40s, that means Hobbs lost out on another eight possible games.

So taking everything into account, I would imagine his stats looked something like this:


<pre>
G AB R H BB K HR RBI AVG OBP SLG
115 400 92 140 75 85 44 106 .350 .447 .750
</pre>

Here's the scary thing: Barry Bonds' numbers from this season were much more impressive. I mean, much more impressive.

And frankly, I'm not sure what to do with this information.

ENDelt260
08-14-2003, 02:32 PM
Forgot the link

http://espn.go.com/page2/s/simmons/011012.html

tk13
08-15-2003, 03:17 AM
I've read this before, Bill Simmons is by far my favorite sportwriter... it's a shame he quit doing as much writing to go write for Jimmy Kimmel's show. The guy never failed to be hilarious. He'd do crazy stuff like this. I'm not going to look it up but he once did a complete box score for the State title game in the movie Hoosiers.

His best stuff is when he a) answers the mailbag or b) gets into the Rocky movies. If you have the time to find anything about Rocky, it'll probably be good. I discovered Simmons before he was really really popular and was just finishing up his "Boston Sports Guy" site before heading to ESPN full time. The guy was flipping hilarious, the mailbags were great. All of those links and stories are dead though. Fortunately, I saved a couple letters he answered from the old site that both involved Rocky....the first one he's talking about Jim Lampley and the second part is a letter contained in it's full splendor...

*****SG: Speaking of Lampley, can you imagine if they
re-cut the footage from the last 20 minutes of "Rocky
4" and made it seem as if HBO was televising the
Drago-Balboa fight? The "Punchstat" numbers would be
unbelievable -- Jim Lampley would be saying things
like, "In Round Three, Ivan Drago threw 290 punches
and landed 187 of them, including 237 power punches!"

We'd also have exchanges like this:

--LAMPLEY: Harold Lederman, how did you score that
round?
--LEDERMAN: Well, Jim, Rocky went down 15 different
times and it looked he was in some serious trouble in
that round. Drago was the dominant fighter, and those
15 knockdowns said volumes, Jim. I scored that round
10-3 for Drago - that's the most one-sided round I've
ever scored.
--GEORGE FOREMAN:
--LAMPLEY: In Balboa's corner between rounds, his
trainer kept screaming at Rocky, "No pain! No pain! No
pain."
--GEORGE FOREMAN:
--LARRY MERCHANT: It would certainly appear... at this
point... that the Cold War... has been decidedly...
one-sided... and we're about... to find out... if
Rocky Bal- (to someone off camera) I'll have another
scotch and soda. And tell the bartender to go a little
easier on the scotch this time, huh, babe? (back to
audience) Anyway, sorry... we're about to find out...
if the spirit of Apollo Creed... is alive and well...

getago32@(work).com WRITES:
Is it me or did Rocky Jr. age faster than Ben from
Growing Pains while Rocky was in Russia fighting
Drago?

*****SG: I was just exchanging e-mails about this with
a friend this week. Swear to God. Here's the timetable
we came up with:

* First Creed fight - Jan. 1, 1976
* Rocky Jr. born - Oct/Nov '76.
* Creed rematch - Nov. 76

* First Lang-Balboa fight - August 1981 (Mickey died
and his headstone had the date). That means Rocky Jr
was four at this point.

* Second Lang-Balboa fight, Rocky wins the rematch:
probably 5-6 months later since Lang never defended
the title, so let's say April '82. Rocky Jr. can't be
older than five.

* Now Rocky basically retires until Apollo decided to
comes back, but the retirement couldn't have lasted
THAT long or they would have stripped him of the
title. Also, Drago is referred to as a gold medalist;
he had to have won the gold in 1980 because the
Russians boycotted the '84 Olympics in LA. And since
his trainers were looking to capitalize on Drago's
gold medal, that means the Creed-Balboa fight probably
happened no later than '83, especially because Rocky
Jr. looked to be about 5-6 in Rocky 4.

* When Rocky returned from Russia in "Rocky 5," we saw
his son within the first 20 minutes of the movie and
Rocky Jr. was suddenly a teenager. We also know that
we're in the 1990-1991 range because Tommy Gunn's rise
in the second half of the movie was chronicled in "The
National," which had a brief shelf life from '90-91.

Therefore, you can surmise one of two things:

--1. Rocky spent 5-6 years recovering in Russia from
the Drago fight.
--2. The Drago-Balboa fight was so devastating to
watch that it made Rocky Jr. mysteriously age six
years.

ENDelt260
08-15-2003, 05:47 PM
The Larry Merchant is classic.