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b-squared
09-10-2000, 06:53 PM
Why is it that after every game/loss, each thread ends up in a Grbac discussion???????
Just wondering

Play calling was the key ingredient to the loss today. HANDS DOWN!!<BR>

bigdaddychieffan
09-10-2000, 06:57 PM
I was wondering the same thing. In my 'three words' post, I mentioned Grbac -- but placed absolutely no blame for the past two losses upon him. The Grbackers/bashers picked up on the mentioning of his name instantly... disregarding the rest of the post. Selective criticism I guess... http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/wink.gif

b-squared
09-10-2000, 06:59 PM
It makes me laugh, although I do find great info. from both sides.

I wonder which side I lean toward?????

morphius
09-10-2000, 06:59 PM
and he didnt have any INTs!!!!!!!! if we would of won today everyone would love him, but we lost and they are all over him??????? he is doing what the O-jimmy raye sends down JIMMY should go and get someone who can call some plays and the real ELVIS WILL SHOW UPP!!!!!!

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DaneMcCloud
09-10-2000, 07:02 PM
I'd say it's going to be a reoccuring nightmare on Chiefs' BBs until he's gone... be it next year or 5 years down the road...

97/98 just locked the whole damn Grbac/Gannon debate into a lot of people's minds and it has just grown and spun off into similar tangents...

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Yosef_Malkovitch
09-10-2000, 07:03 PM
HC_Chief,

I don't know if I'm one of those that did trhat or not...

I am simply extremely upset with Raye and Schottenheimer right now.

I thought all of the players had good games. I think this team is capable of being a champion. I think the players played their hearts out.

And I think that our OC and DC couldn't have done a better job of loosing this game if they tried.

Luz
not sure they didn't; maybe they're getting payed off...

bigdaddychieffan
09-10-2000, 07:04 PM
Cash - that is one of the problems I have with Elvis -- Jimmy obviously is clueless... he puts the O in bad situations. When Elvis approaches the l.o.s., he should notice the fact that the D is stacked heavily against the run - and CHANGE THE PLAY! Audible a pass once in a while for crissakes! Better yet, call your own plays! The coaching staff is obviously clueless - if Elvis were to take charge, I'd be the biggest Grbacker of them all! I know that might get him in some trouble, but damn... anything is better than this! http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

Right now, I see him as a servicable QB that gets the job done when everything goes right; when things break down however, he tends to make mistakes.

Luz - I feel your pain brah'! http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/smile.gif The players did play their guts out -- too bad our coaches let them down... again.

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morphius
09-10-2000, 07:05 PM
It isnt ELVIS its the PLAY CALLING!!!!!!!!!! CAN YOU SAY FIRE JIMMY RAYE-YES I THOUGHT YOU COULD....

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Yosef_Malkovitch
09-10-2000, 07:07 PM
If the Grbac debate is still locked into some people's minds, perhaps they need bigger minds.

Grbac played VERY well today.

Let him throw the ball and win a few games for us!... http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/mad.gif

Luz
elvis doesn't need to be leashed...

bigdaddychieffan
09-10-2000, 07:11 PM
I still can't believe we ran three times up Grunny's arse with THREE MINUTES left! I turned to my gf right before the first play of that pathetic series & predicted the outcome of the game!!! No s__t! Man, that is sad...

ColoradoChief
09-10-2000, 07:16 PM
The fact that we never see Elvis audible leads me to wonder, does Raye's offense have audible options in it? The QB in the Rams offense under Raye seemed to have the same problem, if my memory serves me.
Elvis played a good game. The receivers played a good game. The defense played outstanding. The coaching sucked arse.

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Tom_Barndts_Twin
09-10-2000, 07:16 PM
EG was 13-21 - 61.9%

milkman
09-10-2000, 07:20 PM
47,

I think it's because being the QB is a lot like being President. You get the blame when things go wrong and the credit when things go right, regardless of whether you had anything to do with it or not.

I thought Elvis had a hellava game today. Too bad he didn't have someone calling plays who also had a hellava game.

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CarolinaChief
09-10-2000, 07:35 PM
47

Everyone has spent the last couple of years with that discussion, why would anyone stop now?<P>

King_Chief_Fan
09-10-2000, 08:00 PM
As for EG ignoring Rayes playcalling consider this analogy:

Your boss is an idiot. He tells you to do idiotic things. You do them. Why? Because he pays you and if you don't he'll replace you with someone else who will do those idiotic things.

It aint EG. At least not for these first two games. It's squarely the coaches. Including Gun.

KCCory
09-11-2000, 01:10 AM
Gh4chiefs is right that the QB is always the focal point of any football team. The thing that amazes me is how every subject ends up being a diatribe against Jimmy Raye. He's just an assistant, after all; the coaching buck has to stop at the Head Coach.<BR>

bigdaddychieffan
09-11-2000, 08:49 AM
orange - that might be true if Gun had any part in the offense. You know he was a DC... and a D position coach before that. He has always ben a 'defensive-minded' coach. Guys like him hire OCs & hand the offensive reigns over to them. That is why I think so many are anti-JR.

I do see your point - JR may be an incompetant fool... but Gun was the fool who retained him!

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CHIEFCOW
09-11-2000, 08:58 AM
Elvis played well and I believe that he is as frustrated as the rest of us. Just look at his quote. By the way, he did change a few plays.

It's so frustrating because we have a good offense," said Grbac, who acknowledged changing a few of the offensive plays sent in from the sideline. "We just don't see the numbers on the scoreboard...

"We're getting 14 points. That's a joke."

It's time to cut the damn leash and let this guy play.

EG, IGNOR RAYE!!!!<P>

Lurker Brett
09-11-2000, 09:01 AM
HC,

I disagree about Gun having nothing to do with the offense. I thought he was working this offseason on rewriting the plays, getting Gonzo to split wide etc. At least he said he was. He does a lot of talking about getting people in mismatches, so I thought a lot of the playbook was from his input. Also, last season after one of the losses, Raye was asked why he ran it so much, and he said "ask the head coach".

I just always got the impression that Gun was spending more time on the offensive side of the ball than the defensive side since he became Head Coach.

bigdaddychieffan
09-11-2000, 09:06 AM
Cormac - Gun says a lot of things... mostly in a rambling, barely-decipherable stammer. If Gun is the one calling these plays, I would hope Jimmy Raye has the brains/balls to say "Look, our O has been pathetic! We need a change!".

As for Grbac's comments re: only scoring 14 points - yes, that is pathetic... but what is even more pathetic is the fact our O only scored SEVEN points.... the other TD came by an Edwards INT for TD.