View Full Version : Gun is responsible for our horrid offense, not Raye

09-14-2000, 07:35 AM
I copied this post from the KCSTAR, it was posted by Doug Svuba:

I just got the September 10 edition of the Chiefs Report, which was written before the Titans Game. If you were disappointed in the play calling on Sunday, and you want to remain a Gun fan don't read this quote:

"The bottom line is we're going to run the ball when we can, and when we are in a situation when we need to throw, we're still going to run the football."

There is another quote in this article about how Gun told JR to NEVER throw the ball if they were backed up in their own territory, and just to get in good position for punting.

Looks like Raye is simply following his head coaches directions.

09-14-2000, 07:58 AM
They are all inept. If we do not clean house next season...then Carl should leave. We should have at least 3 new coaches next season. Shaw will be HC. Gun will go back to the booth as a DC...and anyone can replace Raye and stock. And we still need that elusive QB coach that actually played the position.

[i]Shoot 'em in the lips</I>

09-14-2000, 08:05 AM
Oh my God http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/frown.gif


[This message has been edited by Cormac (edited 09-14-2000).]

09-14-2000, 08:21 AM
This man totally incriminates himself everytime he opens his mouth. How much more stupidity do we have to go through?

He cannot ravish, he can only woo

09-14-2000, 08:22 AM
More proof that this HC was a bad choice.

Dr. Red
09-14-2000, 08:25 AM
How does that remark square with this?

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="1" face="Helvetica, verdana, ariel">quote:</font><HR>We're in a transition. I know what I want and I'm having to be patient and it's difficult for me at times not to be able to throw the ball out of four wides or three wides with a tight end. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

09-14-2000, 08:41 AM

That's just it. The man does not know what direction to take. His talk is extremely circuitous at best. How do you think the players translate what points he may try to get across in practice or game-time? Does that scare you at all?

09-14-2000, 08:43 AM
It's Mr. Magoo leading his crew! Gun, Raye, Schotz, and Stock are the NFL's worst coaching staff, (I left out the position coaches) what does anyone expect???

09-14-2000, 08:47 AM
Does anyone remember all the talking that Mr. Magoo was doing when he was first named head coach?? All the stuff about him being a defensive guy SOOOOO HE KNOWS what an offense can do to strike fear in a defense??? Well, I'm so sure that many defenses "fear" the Chiefs offense! ROTFLOMA!!!!

09-14-2000, 08:48 AM
Tx -

I expect Mgmt (Lamar, CP) to see what is so blatantly obvious to the avg. fan. If CP is oblivious as to what is going on, then I expect Lamar to take over. If Lamar is obliging to the theory that ignorance is bliss, then I expect the fans to stop supporting the Chiefs by not attending home games.

That's what I expect.

09-14-2000, 08:53 AM
That would explain our inability to get one freaking first down to close out the Titans. How well would of play action worked there. Everyone expects the Chiefs to run.

09-14-2000, 08:56 AM
Didn't these quotes come before the first game? It will be interesting to see what happens over the next few weeks. This week the Chiefs have to face Seau, who has always caused us problems in the game. The thing I have noticed that teams have learned to stuff the run this year, not just ours but everyone's. There have only people a couple of guys get real yards 2 weeks in a row, most people who had a a big week 1, failed in week 2, and vice versa. It is simple, when they are defending the run you pass the ball.

09-14-2000, 09:03 AM
On the official site he says the defense is coming along fine, and is headed in the direction he wanted it to take. Weren't they ranked 24th against the run and 28th against the pass? Maybe Gun is a masochist.

He also says that Moreau is getting positive yards every time he touches the ball, and that Cloud will start this week. Both are being outrushed by Grbac.

I really think the guy is losing his mind.

Alzheimer's is a terrible disease, isn't it?

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09-14-2000, 09:06 AM
That would explain our inability to get one freaking first down to close out the Titans. How well would of play action worked there. Everyone expects the Chiefs to run.

09-14-2000, 09:31 AM
I have heard of a college coach that decided to start punting on 3rd down so they could not lose anymore yards trying to run and still have the wind at there backs before the half. Maybe Mr. Magoo will start doing that soon too. Then he will start bragging that the kicking game is getting better.

Bob Dole
09-14-2000, 09:55 AM
what a crock. We are doomed unless things change drastically.

09-14-2000, 10:21 AM
I just figured it all out, Gun is setting up the passing game by running the ball every down for the next 13 weeks so that the last game of the year we can fool the atlanta falcons for one play action play.That is about how ridiculous this play calling is on offenseand his stuburn additude could bring us a 3-13 season. http://www.ChiefsPlanet.com/ubb/rolleyes.gif

09-14-2000, 10:25 AM
I actually hope the Chiefs do win 2 or 3 games. Major changes would be forced to occur, and the Chiefs would FINALLY get a high first-round draft choice & a soft schedule.

Oh well. If Carl is still here he'd probably trade down and select a LB and an OG.

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Dr. Red
09-14-2000, 10:49 AM
Is it possible that there is a FUNDAMENTAL [and I mean FUNDAMENTAL] case of crossed wires between Gun and Raye? Is it possible that Gun thinks he has given Raye free reign, while Raye thinks that he has a clear mandate to run?

I seem to remember Raye mumbling something about "talk to Gun" when questioned on the run, run, run philosophy last year. And statements like in the topic header seem pretty clear.

OTOH, Gun has said things like I quoted below [We're in a transition. . . etc.] and when questioned regarding run, run, run after a loss, talks about how Raye "pulls in his horns" and how that tendency need to be addressed.

I am fairly confident in stating that Gun operates from a basis of slight overconfidence in his personnel and Raye operates from a base of fear that the personnel cannot execute. Can it be that Gun thinks that Raye thinks/knows that he has autonomy in the play-calling, while Raye thinks that Gun wants him to call runs and will get mad if he doesn't?

09-14-2000, 10:59 AM
Clint: if you actually believe that, you're dumber than I thought. If we got a top 4-5 pick, Carl would definately address either the QB or RB position. My bet is the RB position.

09-14-2000, 11:02 AM
Does anyone think that if we draft a stud HB or QB early in the draft that the guy has a chance in hell of being signed by the first 4 games?

We have holdouts with guys in the final third of the draft, I can't imagine the mess that would occur with a top 10 pick.

09-14-2000, 11:10 AM
Chiefnj: Dont know, I guess it would be pure speculation, but wouldnt it be great to at least have drafted one?

The big question after that is will the coaching staff know what to do with a stud HB or QB after he's signed.

09-14-2000, 11:20 AM
I don't think that our present coaching staff has the ability to develop a HB let alone a QB. We have yet to develop a QB in the past 12 years. Blackledge never developed. Hill never developed. It's quite sad.

09-14-2000, 11:31 AM
Good obversation. Funny you should mention Greg Hill. IMHO, there's a common denominator between both he and Grbac - Jimmy Raye. Raye was the Chiefs RB coach when we drafted Hill. Raye has also seriously stalled the development of Grbac. I really can't understand how he even has a job in the NFL.