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Hel'n
09-14-2004, 11:56 AM
By SAMEER N. YACOUB


BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - A car bomb Tuesday ripped through a busy market near a Baghdad police headquarters where Iraqis were waiting to apply for jobs on the force, and gunmen opened fire on a van carrying police home from work in Baqouba, killing at least 59 people total and wounding at least 114.

The attacks were the latest attempts by militants to wreck the building of a strong Iraqi security force, a keystone of the U.S. strategy for ending the unflagging insurgency ahead of nationwide elections slated for January and for allowing an eventual withdrawal of American forces.

Despite U.S. claims that Iraqi forces are showing more resolve to fight, insurgents have only grown stronger and have shown they can strike at will, particularly in Baghdad. Tuesday's attacks came only two days after a surprise insurgent offensive in the capital that saw mortars pounding downtown Baghdad and left 60 dead.

The Tawhid and Jihad group, headed by Jordanian militant Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, posted a Web statement claiming responsibility for the car bomb in the capital. The al-Qaida-linked group said earlier it carried out Sunday's campaign of attacks and boasted that it had the upper hand in the fight against the Americans and their Iraqi allies.

Tuesday's car bomb exploded by a bustling row of shops and cafes and left a gaping 10-foot crater in Haifa Street - the same central avenue where much of Sunday's violence took place.

The blast devastated buildings and gutted cars near the western Baghdad police headquarters. Though the attack apparently targeted police, many of the 47 dead were people who had been shopping or having a morning meal. At least 114 were wounded, Health Ministry spokesman Saad Al-Amili said.

Paramedics and residents picked up body parts scattered across the street and put them into boxes. Anguished men lifted bodies burned beyond recognition and lay them gently on stretchers. Helicopters circled.

Afterward, angry crowds of young men pumped their fists in the air and denounced President Bush and interim Iraqi Prime Minister Ayad Allawi, saying they had failed to protect Iraqis. "Bush is a dog," they chanted.

In Baqouba, gunmen in two cars opened fire Tuesday on a van carrying policemen, killing 11 officers and a civilian, said Qaisar Hamid of Baqouba General Hospital.

It was at least the second recent attack on security forces in Baqouba: On July 28, a car bomb exploded outside a police recruiting center in the eastern, Sunni-dominated city, killing at least 68 people.

Also Tuesday, the military said three American soldiers were killed and eight others wounded in separate attacks in Iraq in the past 24 hours.

Meanwhile, saboteurs blew up a junction where multiple oil pipelines cross the Tigris River in northern Iraq on Tuesday, setting off a chain reaction in power generation systems that left the entire country without power, officials said.

Firefighters struggled to put out the blaze after the pre-dawn attack near Beiji, 155 miles north of Baghdad. Crude oil cascaded down the hillside into the river. Fire burned atop the water, fueled by the gushing oil.

The morning car bomb in Baghdad ripped through would-be recruits waiting in line at the police headquarters and market-goers. The bomb was inside a Toyota vehicle parked near the market and a short distance down the road from the police headquarters, which was closed to traffic, said Interior Ministry spokesman Col. Adnan Abdel-Rahman.

"Seconds earlier, people were drinking tea or eating sandwiches and then I could see their remains hanging from trees," said Mahdi Mohammed, 30, who was standing outside his barber shop when the explosion went off. "I could see burning people running in all directions."

Ali Abul-Amir had been waiting in line to join the police force but had gone around the corner to buy a drink when the explosion went off.

"Such places were targeted before," he said. "I blame Ayad Allawi's government for what happened because they did not take the necessary security measures."

Others, however, directed their anger at the militants.

"Such acts cannot be considered part of the resistance (against American forces). This is not a jihad, they are not mujahideen," said Amir Abdel Hassan, a 41-year-old teacher. "Iraq is not a country, it's a big graveyard," he said.

The violence has escalated despite the installation of Allawi's government in June and now raises worries over the January elections.

The U.S. military has been training Iraqi police and the Iraqi Civil Defense Corps members for more than 18 months. But the Iraqis have still been unable to take over the main duties in fighting the insurgency.

Attacks on Iraqi security forces and police officers - seen as collaborators by militants - have left hundreds of people dead since insurgents began a 17-month campaign to expel U.S.-led forces.

From April 2003 to May 2004, 710 Iraqi police were killed out of a total force of 130,000 officers, authorities said. Since May, at least another 180 people have been killed in attacks targeting police facilities. Insurgents have also kept up a steady drumbeat of smaller scale attacks on police checkpoints and assassinations of police officials.

The forces' weakness were highlighted in April, when police largely abandoned their stations in the face of an uprising by Shiite militiamen in Baghdad and southern cities. When the militia rose up again last month, U.S. forces carried out the vast majority of the fighting.

After the April disaster, the Army general formerly in charge of training, Maj. Gen. Paul D. Eaton, acknowledged that misguided U.S. methods had wasted almost a year's worth of training.

U.S. commanders now say they're beefing up their training efforts, trying to improve the Iraqi officer corps and supply the security forces with the sort of heavy machine guns and rocket-propelled grenade launchers that they have lacked but that insurgents have had in plentiful supply.

Bush administration officials have also been insisting they have a plan for stopping the insurgency.

Bathsheba Crocker, an analyst with the U.S.Center for Strategic and International Studies, questioned whether U.S and Iraqi leaders have a workable strategy.

"The security situation is chaotic and it seems to be deteriorating," she said, adding that the insurgents' attacks in the capital were "probably very deliberate. No security in Baghdad means there is no security in the country."

"It signifies that the insurgency is growing in sophistication and organization. It is more capable of carrying out all these major and synchronized attacks," she said.

http://apnews.myway.com//article/20040914/D853IK9O1.html

Hel'n
09-14-2004, 11:58 AM
I put it in the WDC section... cuz I didn't want to get in trouble...

but... even if Kerry were president right now... and was Pres. when the resolution was passed...

... I just hate this gawddamned war...

... Sorry, just had to vent... back to local programming...

BigMeatballDave
09-14-2004, 12:03 PM
Nobody likes it, but this should've happened 13 years ago...

Duck Dog
09-14-2004, 12:07 PM
Until the civilians pick up arms against the terrorists and the insurgents and fight for their country and their freedom they are doomed to a life of shelling.

Thank God our founding fathers had the balls to stand up to the Brits and their queen.

I suppose I shouldn't expect everyone in the world to have the intestinal fortitude to fight for themselves. That is what has made us the country we are today.

jettio
09-14-2004, 03:17 PM
Until the civilians pick up arms against the terrorists and the insurgents and fight for their country and their freedom they are doomed to a life of shelling.

Thank God our founding fathers had the balls to stand up to the Brits and their queen.

I suppose I shouldn't expect everyone in the world to have the intestinal fortitude to fight for themselves. That is what has made us the country we are today.

Retard,

How about reading a few articles about the folks that were killed today in Iraq, before getting diarrhea at the keyboard.

The vanload of Iraqi policemen that got their innards ventilated today were part of the US approved 'fighting back", as were the line of police recruits that were victims to the car bomb in Baghdad.

Your post was the stupidest thing ever posted on Chiefs planet.

Especially considering that the insurgents are exactly standing up to their attempted colonizers.

You blame the victims for doing exactly what our government has asked of them for "fighting back", joining Iraqi security forces or the police. and then you say that they should do what our founding father's did and stand up to the colonial power.

Folks resisting the colonial power are the ones who killed the ones following the US orders.

Everybody knows that Bush's followers are stupid, but c'mon. Damn.

Iowanian
09-14-2004, 03:21 PM
I'll never understand the concept of killing groups of people from your country, who are trying to help your country by providing security......

...unless you are an asshole of Biblical(maybe Koranical in the case) proportions.


at least Dense will be able to add to the total "civilians killed by the US" website.

HC_Chief
09-14-2004, 03:22 PM
Who says the bombers were Iraqi?

Iowanian
09-14-2004, 03:24 PM
True.

Maybe the US should change methods..........park disabled Military equipment in strategic locations, wait for the crowds and riots, and clusterbomb the entire block........maybe use up those Napalm stores in the Sadr city, Tikrit, Falluja areas.......

Patriot 21
09-14-2004, 03:36 PM
Retard,

How about reading a few articles about the folks that were killed today in Iraq, before getting diarrhea at the keyboard.

The vanload of Iraqi policemen that got their innards ventilated today were part of the US approved 'fighting back", as were the line of police recruits that were victims to the car bomb in Baghdad.

Your post was the stupidest thing ever posted on Chiefs planet.

Especially considering that the insurgents are exactly standing up to their attempted colonizers.

You blame the victims for doing exactly what our government has asked of them for "fighting back", joining Iraqi security forces or the police. and then you say that they should do what our founding father's did and stand up to the colonial power.

Folks resisting the colonial power are the ones who killed the ones following the US orders.

Everybody knows that Bush's followers are stupid, but c'mon. Damn.

You are a phucking moron.

Your "queen" was spouting shit on here this morning about how all those that were taking up arms in Iraq were actually joining the insurgents!

Which is it?

Better call the DNC to get your dog damn story straight. :rolleyes:

Duck Dog
09-14-2004, 03:42 PM
Retard,

How about reading a few articles about the folks that were killed today in Iraq, before getting diarrhea at the keyboard.

The vanload of Iraqi policemen that got their innards ventilated today were part of the US approved 'fighting back", as were the line of police recruits that were victims to the car bomb in Baghdad.

Your post was the stupidest thing ever posted on Chiefs planet.

Especially considering that the insurgents are exactly standing up to their attempted colonizers.

You blame the victims for doing exactly what our government has asked of them for "fighting back", joining Iraqi security forces or the police. and then you say that they should do what our founding father's did and stand up to the colonial power.

Folks resisting the colonial power are the ones who killed the ones following the US orders.

Everybody knows that Bush's followers are stupid, but c'mon. Damn.

Hey retard, before you go f^ck yourself, I wasn't refering to the police who were targeted. I was refering to the rest of the civilians.

OK, now go f^ck yourself.

HC_Chief
09-14-2004, 03:43 PM
True.

Maybe the US should change methods..........park disabled Military equipment in strategic locations, wait for the crowds and riots, and clusterbomb the entire block........maybe use up those Napalm stores in the Sadr city, Tikrit, Falluja areas.......

I would have absolutely no problem with that.

Matt Helm
09-14-2004, 03:44 PM
Retard,

How about reading a few articles about the folks that were killed today in Iraq, before getting diarrhea at the keyboard.

The vanload of Iraqi policemen that got their innards ventilated today were part of the US approved 'fighting back", as were the line of police recruits that were victims to the car bomb in Baghdad.

Your post was the stupidest thing ever posted on Chiefs planet.

Especially considering that the insurgents are exactly standing up to their attempted colonizers.

You blame the victims for doing exactly what our government has asked of them for "fighting back", joining Iraqi security forces or the police. and then you say that they should do what our founding father's did and stand up to the colonial power.

Folks resisting the colonial power are the ones who killed the ones following the US orders.

Everybody knows that Bush's followers are stupid, but c'mon. Damn.

I have never seen someone miss the point this badly ever!!!

He isn't talking about the police or the people that were lining up as police recruits. He was talking about the general population of the country.

You would probably stand by when a bank was robbed and not call the police nor try to intervene because you don't want to be involved.

The general population of Iraq, if they truly want to be free, need to start standing their ground and take back what Saddam has taken from them. At this point in time they have that opportunity, if they don't do it now they may never get the opportunity again.

It sounds like what you want is to go back to English rule.

Again, you need to put the proper perspective on the events of the day and consider what the outcome of the war should be. It's one of those: You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. The general population of Iraq needs to take that drink of freedom while the opportunity is there.

Duck Dog
09-14-2004, 03:46 PM
Retard,


Especially considering that the insurgents are exactly standing up to their attempted colonizers.




So which side are you on, jettio? I'm serious. Which fuggin side of this are you on? Are you on the side that has concern for our troops or are you on the side trying to kill them.

Which is it? And be careful how you answer.

Patriot 21
09-14-2004, 04:04 PM
So which side are you on, jettio? I'm serious. Which fuggin side of this are you on? Are you on the side that has concern for our troops or are you on the side trying to kill them.

Which is it? And be careful how you answer.

Duck Dog, You have to ask?

The only thing jettio is p!ssed about is that the dead aren't all Americans soldiers. :rolleyes:

KCWolfman
09-14-2004, 05:09 PM
Everybody knows that Bush's followers are stupid, but c'mon. Damn.

Ummm, fvck off, shyster jackass.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled posts.

jettio
09-14-2004, 06:07 PM
Hey retard, before you go f^ck yourself, I wasn't refering to the police who were targeted. I was refering to the rest of the civilians.

OK, now go f^ck yourself.

Excellent plan. While the most powerful military in the world is patrolling your land trying to eliminate a resistance, take up arms and troll about to squash the same insurgency.

What's the password to keep from getting shot from the US forces you are trying to help?

jettio
09-14-2004, 06:11 PM
So which side are you on, jettio? I'm serious. Which fuggin side of this are you on? Are you on the side that has concern for our troops or are you on the side trying to kill them.

Which is it? And be careful how you answer.

You are on the side of the fools that got a helluva lot more of our guys killed than they expected and that should have ever happened. Stooges.

Iraq has been a poorly planned collossal clusterf*ck since our troops entered Baghdad and the rioting and looting and uncontrolled invasion of foreign fighters across the unguarded borders started.

Anybody that gives a sh*t about our troops wants the incompetents ousted yesterday.

No excuses for poor planning and bungled diplomacy making the task more difficult. Period.

Even worse they lied about the reason.

KCWolfman
09-14-2004, 06:32 PM
Anybody that gives a sh*t about our troops wants the incompetents ousted yesterday.



translation - You must think as I do or you don't give a damn about our troops.

I change my last post, you are not just a shyster jackass, you are a stupid arrogant prickish shyster shark piece of sh!t.

Negative rep, dickhead.

mlyonsd
09-14-2004, 06:49 PM
Retard,

How about reading a few articles about the folks that were killed today in Iraq, before getting diarrhea at the keyboard.

The vanload of Iraqi policemen that got their innards ventilated today were part of the US approved 'fighting back", as were the line of police recruits that were victims to the car bomb in Baghdad.

Your post was the stupidest thing ever posted on Chiefs planet.

Especially considering that the insurgents are exactly standing up to their attempted colonizers.

You blame the victims for doing exactly what our government has asked of them for "fighting back", joining Iraqi security forces or the police. and then you say that they should do what our founding father's did and stand up to the colonial power.

Folks resisting the colonial power are the ones who killed the ones following the US orders.

Everybody knows that Bush's followers are stupid, but c'mon. Damn.

I'm sure there's somekind of Where's Waldo logic in there somewhere but I can't seem to find it.

I don't remember reading in the history books where England spent billions of their own dollars to build hospitals, schools, bridges, and power grids.

jettio
09-14-2004, 08:15 PM
translation - You must think as I do or you don't give a damn about our troops.

I change my last post, you are not just a shyster jackass, you are a stupid arrogant prickish shyster shark piece of sh!t.

Negative rep, dickhead.

Neg rep your retard Stooges.

Very evident that Bush has f*cked this up and yet you have no standards for his performance.

Yes, you do care more about Bush than the troops.

Patriot 21
09-14-2004, 08:19 PM
Very evident that Bush has f*cked this up and yet you have no standards for his performance.

Damn right he had phucked it up.......he shoulda sent a nuke up your @ss about a year ago.4321

Pitt Gorilla
09-14-2004, 08:46 PM
Damn right he had phucked it up.......he shoulda sent a nuke up your @ss about a year ago.4321Yeah, let's nuke our own people. Do any of you actually think before posting?

Loki
09-14-2004, 09:28 PM
Retard,

How about reading a few articles about the folks that were killed today in Iraq, before getting diarrhea at the keyboard.

The vanload of Iraqi policemen that got their innards ventilated today were part of the US approved 'fighting back", as were the line of police recruits that were victims to the car bomb in Baghdad.

Your post was the stupidest thing ever posted on Chiefs planet.

Especially considering that the insurgents are exactly standing up to their attempted colonizers.

You blame the victims for doing exactly what our government has asked of them for "fighting back", joining Iraqi security forces or the police. and then you say that they should do what our founding father's did and stand up to the colonial power.

Folks resisting the colonial power are the ones who killed the ones following the US orders.

Everybody knows that Bush's followers are stupid, but c'mon. Damn.

you really like the word 'stupid' don't you?

jettio
09-14-2004, 09:38 PM
you really like the word 'stupid' don't you?

:stupid:

Loki
09-14-2004, 09:42 PM
:stupid:

well, i guess you could say far worse.
keep up the good work jettio.

Patriot 21
09-14-2004, 09:51 PM
Yeah, let's nuke our own people. Do any of you actually think before posting?

Phuck you asshat...this is that internet. I have more evidence right here on this board that jettio is not one of "our own people" (meaning nothing more than American) than I need.

4321

Pitt Gorilla
09-14-2004, 10:58 PM
Phuck you asshat...this is that internet. I have more evidence right here on this board that jettio is not one of "our own people" (meaning nothing more than American) than I need.

4321Uh, you're missing the point; if you think a nuke would likely take out only one person, you're a lot dumber than than even your quote indicates.

Of course, the whole "cursing" thing certainly is impressive!

2bikemike
09-14-2004, 11:40 PM
Retard,

How about reading a few articles about the folks that were killed today in Iraq, before getting diarrhea at the keyboard.

The vanload of Iraqi policemen that got their innards ventilated today were part of the US approved 'fighting back", as were the line of police recruits that were victims to the car bomb in Baghdad.

Your post was the stupidest thing ever posted on Chiefs planet.

Especially considering that the insurgents are exactly standing up to their attempted colonizers.

You blame the victims for doing exactly what our government has asked of them for "fighting back", joining Iraqi security forces or the police. and then you say that they should do what our founding father's did and stand up to the colonial power.

Folks resisting the colonial power are the ones who killed the ones following the US orders.

Everybody knows that Bush's followers are stupid, but c'mon. Damn.

I refuse to get into name calling but I agree with Duck dog. The majority of Iraqi's want a free Iraq. There are a minority of Iraqi's and foriegners who are fugging everything up.

The fastest way to get us out of there is to let the transition take place. That means pointing out the insurgents. Co-operating with their own interim govt. Help to solve the problems.

Now I realize those that were murdered today were doing exactly that. The problem is there are not enough of those people stepping up.

go bowe
09-15-2004, 02:53 AM
Ummm, fvck off, shyster jackass.

We now return you to your regularly scheduled posts.hey!

what have you got against jackasses??

Matt Helm
09-15-2004, 06:13 AM
Yeah, let's nuke our own people. Do any of you actually think before posting?

What proof do we have that jettio is our people?

Patriot 21
09-15-2004, 08:05 AM
What proof do we have that jettio is our people?

Exactly! But Pitt Godzilla seems to know something that we don't! Enough so that the ignorant bastage neg repped me for it. :rolleyes:

Pitt also states the obvious that a (rhetorical) nuke would blow up more than one person.........what would we do without his wisdom? :rolleyes:

Duck Dog
09-15-2004, 10:09 AM
I refuse to get into name calling but I agree with Duck dog. The majority of Iraqi's want a free Iraq. There are a minority of Iraqi's and foriegners who are fugging everything up.

The fastest way to get us out of there is to let the transition take place. That means pointing out the insurgents. Co-operating with their own interim govt. Help to solve the problems.

Now I realize those that were murdered today were doing exactly that. The problem is there are not enough of those people stepping up.


Rep on the way.

Too bad jettio doesn't have your ability to understand.

HC_Chief
09-15-2004, 10:18 AM
The Saudi Wahabi sect of Islamifascists are the primary troublemakers.

We need to stomp a hole in their ass. Quit playing nice; quit dictating <i>tactics</i> from Washington. Give the soldiers clear <i>strategic</i> objectives and get the *$&% out of their way.

Lightning Rod
09-15-2004, 11:55 AM
I watched a bit about this on the news last night. From what little the media showed the locals were running around quite upset after this terrorist act. What stuck me was the people (at least the ones they showed) were blaming Bush and America for this. I just don't get it. These people were applying to become policemen. The sooner the Iraqis can police their own country the sooner the United States troops will leave. I have always maintained that regardless of our motivation for being in Iraq in the first place, these people would be far better off running their own country instead of being oppressed by a murdering bastage like SH. I am starting to wonder if their ignorance and religious bigotry run so deep that they will piss away their chance at democracy and freedom. It has been put on a silver platter at their feet. Will they choose to grab hold of it or, will they revert to their hatred of Christians, Jews, Kurds and all those different from their selves? Will they embrace freedom and liberty or will they revert to a society where a raped woman should be killed to restore the "honor" of the family? Even if the rapist was part of that "honorable" family in the first place? Is this just the radical views of a vocal minority or, have these people been so isolated, so brainwashed that there is no hope for them? We the western democracies learned much from mistakes of the past. After WWII the victors rebuilt our enemies so that they could be our partners, our friends and allies instead of punishing and acting out of vengeance. Perhaps the world is no longer worthy of our efforts.

HC_Chief
09-15-2004, 01:01 PM
If they choose to go down the path of the PA... to 'jihad' the only answer = eradication. Total war.

I hope to God it does not come to that.

jettio
10-01-2004, 11:26 PM
Retard,

How about reading a few articles about the folks that were killed today in Iraq, before getting diarrhea at the keyboard.

The vanload of Iraqi policemen that got their innards ventilated today were part of the US approved 'fighting back", as were the line of police recruits that were victims to the car bomb in Baghdad.

Your post was the stupidest thing ever posted on Chiefs planet.

Especially considering that the insurgents are exactly standing up to their attempted colonizers.

You blame the victims for doing exactly what our government has asked of them for "fighting back", joining Iraqi security forces or the police. and then you say that they should do what our founding father's did and stand up to the colonial power.

Folks resisting the colonial power are the ones who killed the ones following the US orders.

Everybody knows that Bush's followers are stupid, but c'mon. Damn.


Kiss my ass, bitch. Don't insult the intelligence of others who have proven theirs well above yours----KC Wolfman

DenverChief
10-01-2004, 11:30 PM
I think everybody should go fvck themselves

DenverChief
10-01-2004, 11:31 PM
Kiss my ass, bitch. Don't insult the intelligence of others who have proven theirs well above yours----KC WolfmanROFL

MadProphetMargin
10-01-2004, 11:35 PM
By SAMEER N. YACOUB


BAGHDAD, Iraq (AP) - A car bomb Tuesday ripped through a busy market near a Baghdad police headquarters where Iraqis were waiting to apply for jobs on the force, and gunmen opened fire on a van carrying police home from work in Baqouba, killing at least 59 people total and wounding at least 114.



Insurgency 101: Whack the colloborators.

DenverChief
10-01-2004, 11:43 PM
Insurgency 101: Whack the colloborators.

I thought that was like 060?

Mr. Kotter
10-01-2004, 11:45 PM
Retard,

How about reading a few articles about the folks that were killed today in Iraq, before getting diarrhea at the keyboard.

The vanload of Iraqi policemen that got their innards ventilated today were part of the US approved 'fighting back", as were the line of police recruits that were victims to the car bomb in Baghdad.

Your post was the stupidest thing ever posted on Chiefs planet.

Especially considering that the insurgents are exactly standing up to their attempted colonizers.

You blame the victims for doing exactly what our government has asked of them for "fighting back", joining Iraqi security forces or the police. and then you say that they should do what our founding father's did and stand up to the colonial power.

Folks resisting the colonial power are the ones who killed the ones following the US orders.

Everybody knows that Bush's followers are stupid, but c'mon. Damn.

Wow; this POS needs to end it... :shake:

MadProphetMargin
10-01-2004, 11:46 PM
I thought that was like 060?

Naw. 060 is how to outsmart Donald Rumsfeld.

Thing is, these tards HAVE to whack colloborators...because if an insurgency doesn't, there will be more colloborators, and eventually their nation isn't just occupied, it's conquered.

This kinda thing is hardwired into insurgency, and can actually be exploited.

If we were INTERESTED in exploiting things like that.

Cntrygal
10-02-2004, 07:48 AM
First, not all Iraqi's blame Americans or Bush for these types attacks. But that's what our media shows, because that's what sells. It's easier to believe terrible things about someone (or a country) than it is something good. Unfortunately more Americans will pick up and read a paper that has an article about a burning house where the entire family died, as opposed to an article about a house being built and donated to someone who needs it.


Secondly, I agree that the everyday civilian needs to do something to help. IMO, taking up arms is not necessarily it. BUT, some of these civilians know where these insurgents are hiding - go tell the Americans, the British or whoever happens to be in that area. (I personally wouldn't go back to my house until after the attack/raid was completed). By allowing the insurgents safe haven among them, they are giving them tacit approval to continue their attacks.