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Donger
09-15-2004, 11:48 PM
CBS Anchor Urges Media to Focus On Bush Service

By Howard Kurtz
Washington Post Staff Writer
Thursday, September 16, 2004; Page A01

CBS anchor Dan Rather acknowledged for the first time yesterday that there are serious questions about the authenticity of the documents he used to question President Bush's National Guard record last week on "60 Minutes."

"If the documents are not what we were led to believe, I'd like to break that story," Rather said in an interview last night. "Any time I'm wrong, I want to be right out front and say, 'Folks, this is what went wrong and how it went wrong.' "

Rather spoke after interviewing the secretary to Bush's former squadron commander, who told him that the memos attributed to her late boss are fake -- but that they reflect the commander's belief that Bush was receiving preferential treatment to escape some of his Guard commitments.

The former secretary, Marian Carr Knox, is the latest person to raise questions about the "60 Minutes" story, which Rather and top CBS officials still defend while vowing to investigate mounting questions about whether the 30-year-old documents used in the story were part of a hoax. Their shift in tone yesterday came as GOP critics as well as some media commentators demanded that the story be retracted and suggested that Rather should step down.

"This is not about me," Rather said before anchoring last night's newscast. "I recognize that those who didn't want the information out and tried to discredit the story are trying to make it about me, and I accept that."

For Rather, 72, it is an all-too-familiar role. In his CBS career, he has survived an impertinent exchange with President Richard M. Nixon during Watergate, a clandestine trek through the mountains of Afghanistan, an on-air confrontation with George H.W. Bush over Iran-contra and a much-debated sitdown with Saddam Hussein in Baghdad.

Now, on the final leg of a career launched by a Texas hurricane, Rather is trying to weather his biggest storm. And some of his closest friends and associates are concerned.

"I think this is very, very serious," said Bob Schieffer, CBS's chief Washington correspondent. "When Dan tells me these documents are not forgeries, I believe him. But somehow we've got to find a way to show people these documents are not forgeries." Some friends of Rather, whose contract runs until the end of 2006, are discussing whether he might be forced to make an early exit from CBS.

In her interview with Rather yesterday, Knox repeated her contention that the documents used by "60 Minutes" were bogus. Knox, 86, worked for Lt. Col. Jerry B. Killian while he supervised Bush's unit in the early 1970s.

"I know that I didn't type them," Knox said of the Killian memos. "However, the information in there is correct," she said, adding that Killian and the other officers would "snicker about what [Bush] was getting away with."

Rather said he was "relieved and pleased" by Knox's comments that the disputed memos reflected Killian's view of the favorable treatment that Bush received in the military unit. But he said, "I take very seriously her belief that the documents are not authentic." If Knox is right, Rather said, the public "won't hear about it from a spokesman. They'll learn it from me."

But he also delivered a message to "our journalistic competitors," including The Washington Post and rival networks: "Instead of asking President Bush and his staff questions about what is true and not true about the president's military service, they ask me questions: 'How do you know this and that about the documents?' "

CBS News President Andrew Heyward defended the work that went into the Guard story. "I feel that we did a tremendous amount of reporting before the story went on the air or we wouldn't have put it on the air," Heyward said last night. "But we want to get to the bottom of these unresolved issues," including questions about the memos' typography, signatures and format. "There's such a ferocious debate about these documents."

Heyward said the account by Knox is "significant, which is why we're putting it on our prime-time program," "60 Minutes."

As a former Houston reporter, White House correspondent and "60 Minutes" regular, Rather has always taken pride in unchaining himself from the anchor desk to cover wars, political campaigns and various other crises. Determined not to be just a multimillion-dollar news reader like some younger-generation stars, he continued to anchor "48 Hours" before finally giving it up and to contribute pieces to "60 Minutes," even at the cost of being stretched thin. So it was not unusual for Rather to be crashing an investigative piece, as he did last week.

The most controversial of the three broadcast network anchors who took the reins in the early 1980s -- the others are ABC's Peter Jennings, 66, and NBC's Tom Brokaw, 64, who is retiring after the election -- Rather has long drawn the most headlines and the sharpest criticism from conservatives who view him as biased.

"Dan is a lightning rod, compared to Brokaw and Jennings, because of his personality," said Lawrence Grossman, a former president of PBS and NBC News. "He's had some very strange incidents. His colorful use of language makes him a little quirky in many people's eyes. So he's a little vulnerable."

But ABC News executive Tom Bettag, who once produced Rather's evening news, said his friend has been "quite extraordinary" in shouldering the burden. "He is the sort of person who could easily say 'this is a team effort,' but he's one of those anchors who puts it all on his shoulders and doesn't pass it down the line to anyone else," Bettag said.

Bernard Goldberg, a longtime CBS correspondent who has turned sharply critical of his former employer, said he believes that Rather was duped and will survive. But, he said, "CBS News is acting the way the Nixon administration did during Watergate. I'm really sad to say that Dan Rather is acting like Richard Nixon. It's the coverup, it's the stonewalling."

Nicholas Lemann, dean of Columbia University's Graduate School of Journalism, said that "if it turns out CBS got this wrong, it's very damaging." He added that Rather "has a 'hot' personality that provokes strong reactions."

That may be an understatement. Rather has a penchant for down-home Texas truisms, the sort of globe-trotting that earned him the nickname "Gunga Dan" for his Afghan foray, and plain old strange behavior -- such as signing off his broadcasts for a time with the word "courage."

In 1986, he was mugged on Park Avenue with one of his attackers shouting, "Kenneth, what is the frequency?" In 1987, the network went to black because Rather had angrily walked off the set in the belief that a U.S. Open tennis match would bump his broadcast. In 1988, he got into an emotional shouting match with then-Vice President Bush, who accused Rather of being unfair. In 2001, he apologized for speaking at a Democratic fundraiser in Texas in which his daughter was involved.

His career has seemed revitalized in the past year and a half. He landed an interview with then-Iraqi President Saddam Hussein shortly before the U.S. invaded Iraq and the first sitdown with Bill Clinton about his autobiography. And with producer Mary Mapes, who also spearheaded the National Guard story, Rather broke the news of Iraqi prisoners being abused at Abu Ghraib -- after agreeing to a two-week delay at the Bush administration's request.

Once the most watched of the three anchors' broadcasts, Rather's show has been ranked third for several years. Now he is even the target of a new Web site, Rathergate.com.

Some media analysts are already comparing the Guard controversy to the 1993 fiasco in which NBC's "Dateline" apologized for staging the fiery crash of a truck, and the 1998 debacle in which CNN apologized for the "Tailwind" story that accused U.S. troops of using nerve gas during the Vietnam War.

"Dan knows that trying to do a story about a Republican president is immediately going to stir up a hornet's nest from the conservatives who have jumped on him since the Nixon days," Bettag said. "He could have been excused for saying 'I don't need this kind of grief.' But he didn't."

As Rather signed off to rush back into the studio last night, he sounded a defiant note.

"I try to look people in the eye and tell them the truth," Rather said. "I don't back up. I don't back down. I don't cave when the pressure gets too great from these partisan political ideological forces."

Michael Michigan
09-16-2004, 12:19 AM
If he had only waited...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24635-2004Sep15_2.html

In a related development, White House press secretary Scott McClellan hinted that more documents regarding Bush's National Guard service may soon be released. Asked whether officials in the White House have seen unreleased documents, McClellan called that "a very real possibility." Other officials with knowledge of the situation said more documents had indeed been uncovered and would be released in the coming days.

Michael Michigan
09-16-2004, 12:20 AM
Is it wrong to post this?


http://www.lucianne.com/routine/images/09-16-04.jpg

Joe Seahawk
09-16-2004, 12:22 AM
Rather Concedes Papers Are Suspect


Yes, but will Jaz.. :p

Donger
09-16-2004, 12:24 AM
Is it wrong to post this?


http://www.lucianne.com/routine/images/09-16-04.jpg

No, not at all. Rather and, by association, See BS looks like a bunch of partisan hacks with a serious agenda.

If Rather has any decency, he'll resign.

|Zach|
09-16-2004, 12:26 AM
I really don't think CBS had an agenda. I just think they got made fools of by shitty expert. It seems like the big networks are feeling so much pressure to get good news out quick because of all the competition with the internet. It seems news is coming out faster and from a million different places then it used to and it seems like CBS got caught up in the rush...

Donger
09-16-2004, 12:28 AM
I really don't think CBS had an agenda. I just think they got made fools of by shitty expert. It seems like the big networks are feeling so much pressure to get good news out quick because of all the competition with the internet. It seems news is coming out faster and from a million different places then it used to and it seems like CBS got caught up in the rush...

Do you know much about Dan Rather's history, especially when it relates to his rather obvious bias?

Donger
09-16-2004, 12:32 AM
I really don't think CBS had an agenda. I just think they got made fools of by shitty expert. It seems like the big networks are feeling so much pressure to get good news out quick because of all the competition with the internet. It seems news is coming out faster and from a million different places then it used to and it seems like CBS got caught up in the rush...

Not to mention that the "shitty expert(s)" told CBS and Rather that they couldn't authenticate the memos, and CBS/Rather went ahead with the story anyway. Not to mention that they did speak with Killian's wife and son, who both said the story was BS and ignored that.

Why would they do so without having an agenda?

Joe Seahawk
09-16-2004, 12:37 AM
I think Mary Mapes is the big problem with this particular story, but Rather was more than happy to accept her story.. Mapes and Rather should get canned over this..

Mapes used to work for KIRO here in Seattle, and I've have talked to people who worked in the news room with her and she is as partisan as they come.. Her farher actually called in to a radio show and said he was ashamed of her.. YIKES!

|Zach|
09-16-2004, 12:37 AM
Do you know much about Dan Rather's history, especially when it relates to his rather obvious bias?
Nope, as much as I love to read up on news anchors and bicker about them on the internet for hours on end I really have not.

|Zach|
09-16-2004, 12:40 AM
Why would they do so without having an agenda?

I have already said why...

What was done here was wrong, I am not denying that. I just don't feel its part of an agena...

2bikemike
09-16-2004, 12:40 AM
I personally hope this is the end of Dan Blather.

Michael Michigan
09-16-2004, 12:40 AM
Hmm, wonder if the Kinko's got this a few weeks back for Burkett?

http://www.lesjones.com/www/images/posts/msforger.jpg

Donger
09-16-2004, 12:41 AM
Nope, as much as I love to read up on news anchors and bicker about them on the internet for hours on end I really have not.

And yet you state that you "really don't think CBS had an agenda?"

If you are willing to inform yourself, please try: www.ratherbiased.com

The record speaks for itself.

OldTownChief
09-16-2004, 12:42 AM
This entire story should/will shift form the race and focas solely on exposing that coc* sucker for what he is and has been for decades.

Joe Seahawk
09-16-2004, 12:42 AM
A quick search netted me this..

Mary Mapes the producer of the CBS 60 minutes report was formerly a producer at a Seattle television station, she is known for being a ultra liberal with an agenda.

John Carlson is a talk show commentator for Seattle Radio Station KVI 570, http://www.kvi.com/:
Sept. 10, 2004
KVI's John Carlson said Mary Mapes use to be a News producer at KIRO TV in Seattle until moving on to CBS 60 Minutes about 10-12 years ago. He worked with her and said she was the most liberal person at KIRO and had a very leftist view when producing the news program. John said when he heard the story break at CBS, that he bet Mary Mapes is behind it. It has been announced that Mary was the one to go out and obtain the bogus documents.

Mary's father just called the John Carlson show. I was expecting him to give John He$# for talking about his daughter, but he said he is ashamed of her. He knows of her leftist views.

Posted by: Jack at September 12, 2004 09:55 AM
http://www.dgci.net/archives/001452.html

RINGLEADER
09-16-2004, 12:48 AM
If he had only waited...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A24635-2004Sep15_2.html

In a related development, White House press secretary Scott McClellan hinted that more documents regarding Bush's National Guard service may soon be released. Asked whether officials in the White House have seen unreleased documents, McClellan called that "a very real possibility." Other officials with knowledge of the situation said more documents had indeed been uncovered and would be released in the coming days.


There's an interesting dynamic at play here. I think most of the public would normally greet negative information about Bush's Guard service with a :shrug:, but after the whole CBS debacle I don't even think they'll have much faith in them regardless.

Of course, if they prove he was in Alabama or fill in the missing spaces a lot of people are going to be asking Texans for Truth for the $50K they promised. And the Dems will have fallen for the biggest trap in modern political history.

OldTownChief
09-16-2004, 12:50 AM
I'm all for a full out congressional investigational and if it comes down to throwing that old piece of sh!t in prison for the rest of his short life, so be it. IMO firing his ass is no where good enough after all the crap he's pulled. Let him rot while bubba has his way with him.

RINGLEADER
09-16-2004, 12:51 AM
I have already said why...

What was done here was wrong, I am not denying that. I just don't feel its part of an agena...


If they came out and denounced the story after it was proven the documents were fake (or that they were unable to reproduce them with 70s era typewriters) that would be one thing. But instead they keep saying that the story is about the allegations that the documents raise, even if they are fake. The New York Times headline "Fake, but Accurate" yesterday pretty much summed up the sad state of affairs with the MSM.

Michael Michigan
09-16-2004, 12:52 AM
A quick search netted me this..


http://www.dgci.net/archives/001452.html

There is no question that the bias of Rather and Mapes led them down this path.

http://www.thbookservice.com/bookimages/66/C5866_full.jpg


Couldn't happen to a nicer pair.

Donger
09-16-2004, 12:56 AM
And the Dems will have fallen for the biggest trap in modern political history.

I think they already have. And the ironic thing is, they set it themselves by nominating John Kerry.

OldTownChief
09-16-2004, 12:57 AM
If they came out and denounced the story after it was proven the documents were fake (or that they were unable to reproduce them with 70s era typewriters) that would be one thing. But instead they keep saying that the story is about the allegations that the documents raise, even if they are fake. The New York Times headline "Fake, but Accurate" yesterday pretty much summed up the sad state of affairs with the MSM.

Un believable...........Time to clean house

Baby Lee
09-16-2004, 07:01 AM
You know, if Scott Pelley replaces him, it'll just get worse.

Baby Lee
09-16-2004, 08:29 AM
http://slate.msn.com/id/2106746/

Another instance of this insidious growing notion that, so long as the jist of the story reinforces prejudices, the facts don't really matter.

Although critics gagged over Nancy Reagan's thin sourcing and heavy innuendo, there was again agreement that Kelley was onto something. At the least her book was no more dishonest than the Reagans' own carefully groomed Norman Rockwell facade. "Despite her wretched excesses," Newsweek concluded, "Kelley has the core of the story right. Even her staunchest defenders concede that Nancy Reagan is more Marie Antoinette than Mother Teresa."

slivo6
09-16-2004, 08:40 AM
"....For Rather, 72, it is an all-too-familiar role. In his CBS career, he has survived an impertinent exchange with President Richard M. Nixon during Watergate, a clandestine trek through the mountains of Afghanistan, an on-air confrontation with George H.W. Bush over Iran-contra and a much-debated sitdown with Saddam Hussein in Baghdad.".....
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Ever since he did the interview with Saddam Hussein a few years back and didn't take the opportunity to assasinate him, I lost all respect for Dan Rather as an American. I hope this is the end of that idiot.

Duck Dog
09-16-2004, 08:49 AM
"If the documents are not what we were led to believe, I'd like to break that story," Rather said in an interview last night. "Any time I'm wrong, I want to be right out front and say, 'Folks, this is what went wrong and how it went wrong.' "

Break this story?


You are the story, dip shit, and it's already been broke.

Mr. Kotter
09-16-2004, 09:04 AM
"....For Rather, 72, it is an all-too-familiar role. In his CBS career, he has survived an impertinent exchange with President Richard M. Nixon during Watergate, a clandestine trek through the mountains of Afghanistan, an on-air confrontation with George H.W. Bush over Iran-contra and a much-debated sitdown with Saddam Hussein in Baghdad.".....
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Ever since he did the interview with Saddam Hussein a few years back and didn't take the opportunity to assasinate him, I lost all respect for Dan Rather as an American. I hope this is the end of that idiot.

That and the Castro interview... :shake:

Agreed.

Cochise
09-16-2004, 09:08 AM
All those, and the Vietnam atrocities documentary he put on that was completely contrived.

How he has any credibility with anyone is beyond my comprehension.

Velvet_Jones
09-16-2004, 09:15 AM
Is it wrong to post this?



How about this one.

Mr. Kotter
09-16-2004, 09:50 AM
All those, and the Vietnam atrocities documentary he put on that was completely contrived.

How he has any credibility with anyone is beyond my comprehension.

He doesn't. Even reasonable left-wingers are finally leaving this guy behind....

Mr. Kotter
09-16-2004, 09:56 AM
Here's another oldie, but a goodie...

Chief Henry
09-16-2004, 10:01 AM
Here's another oldie, but a goodie...


Dude looks like baghdad bob. He's starting to act like him too...