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redbrian
09-17-2004, 05:11 PM
Don't know if this has been posted, I just got the e-mail this afternoon and I have been busy bidding some jobs.

ARLINGTON, VA Former Senator Bob Dole issued the following statement:

"As Chairman of the Bush-Cheney Veterans Coalition, and as a veteran, I call on John Kerry to demand that MoveOn.org take down their ad depicting a defeated American soldier.

It's one thing to debate whether we should take the fight to the terrorists, but depicting an American soldier in effect surrendering in the battle against the terrorists is beyond the pale.

I cannot believe that John Kerry, who reminds us daily of his Vietnam service, would possibly approve the disgusting and demoralizing portrayal of American soldiers fighting for us in Iraq, Afghanistan and around the world.

John Kerry has raised doubts about our troops' ability to maintain security as well as Iraqi's ability to decide their own future through elections. He has called the allies in Iraq "window dressing." This is all reminiscent of his appearance before a Senate Committee in 1971 where he suggested with nothing but second hand information American GIs were committing atrocities and war crimes of the worst kind in Vietnam.

This defeatist attitude undermines the great progress and sacrifices of our men and women in the military and the contributions of our allies who are fighting against terror and standing up for freedom around the world.

The politics of pessimism that is being pursued by John Kerry and the extreme liberals demonstrates they are consumed by the past with nothing to offer but attacks on the President's agenda for creating a safer world.

John, say it isn't so and denounce this latest effort to divide Americans"

warrior
09-17-2004, 05:23 PM
I've not seen the ad , if true I'm with Bob On this one.

Donger
09-17-2004, 05:24 PM
Don't know if this has been posted, I just got the e-mail this afternoon and I have been busy bidding some jobs.

ARLINGTON, VA Former Senator Bob Dole issued the following statement:

"As Chairman of the Bush-Cheney Veterans Coalition, and as a veteran, I call on John Kerry to demand that MoveOn.org take down their ad depicting a defeated American soldier.

It's one thing to debate whether we should take the fight to the terrorists, but depicting an American soldier in effect surrendering in the battle against the terrorists is beyond the pale.

I cannot believe that John Kerry, who reminds us daily of his Vietnam service, would possibly approve the disgusting and demoralizing portrayal of American soldiers fighting for us in Iraq, Afghanistan and around the world.

John Kerry has raised doubts about our troops' ability to maintain security as well as Iraqi's ability to decide their own future through elections. He has called the allies in Iraq "window dressing." This is all reminiscent of his appearance before a Senate Committee in 1971 where he suggested with nothing but second hand information American GIs were committing atrocities and war crimes of the worst kind in Vietnam.

This defeatist attitude undermines the great progress and sacrifices of our men and women in the military and the contributions of our allies who are fighting against terror and standing up for freedom around the world.

The politics of pessimism that is being pursued by John Kerry and the extreme liberals demonstrates they are consumed by the past with nothing to offer but attacks on the President's agenda for creating a safer world.

John, say it isn't so and denounce this latest effort to divide Americans"

I think folks jumped the gun on this one.

It's apparently an actor dressed up as one of our soldiers, running along through some desert. He slows down, and gets sucked down into a "quagmire." I don't know if that's surrendering or not...

http://www.moveonpac.org/quagmiread-QT.html

Calcountry
09-17-2004, 06:49 PM
Bob Dole says it sucks so it sucks. You know Bob Dole, Bob Dole is a friend of mind, and you don't mess arround with ole Bob Dole.

RINGLEADER
09-17-2004, 10:18 PM
I think folks jumped the gun on this one.

It's apparently an actor dressed up as one of our soldiers, running along through some desert. He slows down, and gets sucked down into a "quagmire." I don't know if that's surrendering or not...

http://www.moveonpac.org/quagmiread-QT.html


Both hands are up in the air...looks like surrendering to me...

Of course I have no idea what they intended...but it is still a STUPID ad...Bush is going to incorporate it into his stump speech fer sure...

I read a story the other day about a top Dem operative ripping moveon a new one...said they were a creative lot with a lot of energy, but that they didn't have a clue what they were doing when it came to making television ads or mobilizing voters.

This is just further evidence of it...

Donger
09-17-2004, 11:34 PM
Both hands are up in the air...looks like surrendering to me...

Of course I have no idea what they intended...but it is still a STUPID ad...Bush is going to incorporate it into his stump speech fer sure...

I read a story the other day about a top Dem operative ripping moveon a new one...said they were a creative lot with a lot of energy, but that they didn't have a clue what they were doing when it came to making television ads or mobilizing voters.

This is just further evidence of it...

Well, our troops are trained to keep the weapons above water, sand, etc., and that's what it looked like to me. Pretty standard practice. Maybe a veteran or active duty CP'er can chime in on that aspect.

Anyway, it's quite a clever ad; showing a "US soldier" surrendering without doing so?

bkkcoh
09-18-2004, 07:16 AM
Well, our troops are trained to keep the weapons above water, sand, etc., and that's what it looked like to me. Pretty standard practice. Maybe a veteran or active duty CP'er can chime in on that aspect.

Anyway, it's quite a clever ad; showing a "US soldier" surrendering without doing so?

That is exactly what I originally thought when I saw the still photo. But then I thought of what the French would think and I realized it was just a way to get the French back on our side. I think it is a very clever ploy. :shake: :cuss: :banghead: