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Chiefs_Fan_n_64081
09-18-2004, 02:59 PM
Is the offence not powerful enough?

No.

Is the defence just not up to snuff?

Believe it, or not - no.

The reason the CHIEFS can not win another Superbowl is because when it comes to a big game, they will never get a fairly officiated outing in the modern day NFL.

Now, of course, many teams have fans that make claims that their beloved team is the victim of bad officiating, but few have witnessed what CHIEFS fans have. Especially in the past decade.

Forget the team's 2004 season opening loss to Denver, or officials being indifferent to the Colts "creative" scrimage tactics last season. This disturbing trend is evident in far more than just one game, or season for that matter.

In the 2003 regular season the CHIEFS lost only three games, and two of those teams didn't even make the playoffs, and the other should have been at home too.
All three games were heavily hyped, on the road, and very very badly officiated.
Touchdowns were given to runningbacks that steped out-of-bounds before breaking the plane, and opposing teams recievers were allowed to push off downfield. Opposing teams offensive lines were allowed to hold, cut block, trip, and avoid penalties for playclock violations. Opposing teams defences were allowed to impede recievers regularly, and in almost every game of the 2003 CHIEFS regular season allowed to interfere.
When one takes a hard look it is actually amazing that the CHIEFS won thirteen of those games.

David.
09-18-2004, 03:00 PM
tehehhe

ENDelt260
09-18-2004, 03:01 PM
Go root for the Broncos.

Chiefs_Fan_n_64081
09-18-2004, 03:03 PM
Is it just me, or does it seem that #88 has been targeted by NFL officials?

David.
09-18-2004, 03:04 PM
I'd expect this from someone from Lee Summit :shake:

tk13
09-18-2004, 03:04 PM
Yeah, missing 3 FG's, fumbling the ball on a breakway run, and not being able to force a punt had nothing to do with some of those losses.

Chiefs_Fan_n_64081
09-18-2004, 03:06 PM
Quote:I'd expect this from someone from Lee Summit


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What does this mean?

E@SHSU
09-18-2004, 03:06 PM
You can't really argue a loss where we put up three touchdowns and the opposing team put up 45. That's just outplaying.

KCN
09-18-2004, 03:08 PM
I mustve stumbled into a Broncos BB by mistake again...

Chiefs Pantalones
09-18-2004, 03:10 PM
I don't think you can blame officiating. There inlies one faulted member...the Chiefs.

They can only blame themselves.



On the Tony G. post, some friends of mine agree with you. They think the NFL wants the TEs over on those east coast teams (Heap and Shockey) to move past Tony G. because they are in a bigger market. They don't want a star in the midwest. I don't agree, though, but it is kinda fishy I guess.

David.
09-18-2004, 03:12 PM
I don't think you can blame officiating. There inlies one faulted member...the Chiefs.

They can only blame themselves.



On the Tony G. post, some friends of mine agree with you. They think the NFL wants the TEs over on those east coast teams (Heap and Shockey) to move past Tony G. because they are in a bigger market. They don't want a star in the midwest. I don't agree, though, but it is kinda fishy I guess.

I blame it on you cracker

Chiefs Pantalones
09-18-2004, 03:15 PM
I blame it on you cracker

You see!!! If I were black, you'd agree with me!! You hate us whites!!!

I have a dream, bitch!!!!!

Chiefs_Fan_n_64081
09-18-2004, 03:16 PM
I blaim the CHIEFS only to a point.
No matter how good a team is, if the officiating is slanted they can not prevail for long.
It takes just one or two bad calls (or even worse: no-calls) to change the complexion of the game.
And I believe we will see more and more examples as this season progresses.

Chiefs Pantalones
09-18-2004, 03:18 PM
I blaim the CHIEFS only to a point.
No matter how good a team is, if the officiating is slanted they can not prevail for long.
It takes just one or two bad calls (or even worse: no-calls) to change the complexion of the game.
And I believe we will see more and more examples as this season progresses.

It's because the officials are white isn't it?

David.
09-18-2004, 03:19 PM
It's because the officials are white isn't it?

ROFL

ENDelt260
09-18-2004, 03:22 PM
I fear my first post wasn't direct enough.

This thread is 100% pure crybaby bullshit. I'm embarassed that it's on the front page of the bulletin board dedicated to the team I root for, and look forward to such time that it disappears into the oblivion. If this manner of drivel is the only thing the thread starter has to share, then I hope he never posts again. Else, I would encourage said poster to step up his game and start sharing some intelligent commentary.

Chiefs Pantalones
09-18-2004, 03:24 PM
I fear my first post wasn't direct enough.

This thread is 100% pure crybaby bullshit. I'm embarassed that it's on the front page of the bulletin board dedicated to the team I root for, and look forward to such time that it disappears into the oblivion. If this manner of drivel is the only thing the thread starter has to share, then I hope he never posts again. Else, I would encourage said poster to step up his game and start sharing some intelligent commentary.

ROFL

Keeping It Real.

Chiefs_Fan_n_64081
09-18-2004, 03:28 PM
I can't understand why Dick Vermil & Co. don't do more to argue their case in the course of the game.

Last Sunday night the opposition made themselves clear to the refs more than once.

Just before the half I found it a shameful matter in which the officials handled the failure to inforce the penetalty yards on the previous play.

It seemed to this fan that the refs showed no reverence for the defending AFC west champions, and only made any real effort when Green made it an issue.

David.
09-18-2004, 03:29 PM
wow, give it a rest.

Chiefs_Fan_n_64081
09-18-2004, 03:31 PM
ENDelt260


Why the hate?

Chiefs Pantalones
09-18-2004, 03:33 PM
I can't understand why Dick Vermil & Co. don't do more to argue their case in the course of the game.

Last Sunday night the opposition made themselves clear to the refs more than once.

Just before the half I found it a shameful matter in which the officials handled the failure to inforce the penetalty yards on the previous play.

It seemed to this fan that the refs showed no reverence for the defending AFC west champions, and only made any real effort when Green made it an issue.

Kevin Keitzman?

ENDelt260
09-18-2004, 03:33 PM
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=31733&stc=1

ROFL

ENDelt260
09-18-2004, 03:33 PM
ENDelt260


Why the hate?
I hate on stupid people. It's what I do.

Chiefs_Fan_n_64081
09-18-2004, 03:37 PM
Sorry to discuss these matters on a CHIEFS BB.
I'm not expecting you to wholely agree with my point of view.
If you find my views uninteresting, then why don't you simply look at something else.

I just wish to share my opinion on the problems facing my hometown team, and I do see the current trend in officiating to be a major problem.

Also, why be so confontational?

Wouldn't your large intellect be better used to help me understand the issue I am writing about?

Skip Towne
09-18-2004, 03:39 PM
I hate on stupid people. It's what I do.
Hey Donkhater get over here. We've got another one.

ENDelt260
09-18-2004, 03:40 PM
You want me to help you understand the issue? I'll make it real simple: The refs are NOT out to screw the Chiefs.

ENDelt260
09-18-2004, 03:40 PM
Hey Donkhater get over here. We've got another one.
Haha.

Chiefs_Fan_n_64081
09-18-2004, 03:41 PM
Is your attitude just for attitudes sake?
I'm confused.
I don't know you, and you don't know me.
How about talking to me instead of at me?

Chiefs_Fan_n_64081
09-18-2004, 03:42 PM
The officiating is a problem.



Just because you don't think so doesn't make it so.

cdcox
09-18-2004, 03:46 PM
Let me try to help. Supppose I started a thread instisting that the moon were made of swiss cheese. You disagreed with me and called me an idiot. I then asked you to discuss it rationally. What is there to discuss? My idea is far fetched, to say the least. Yet no matter what you say, since I am so committed to my idea, you are unlikely to change my mind.

ENDelt260
09-18-2004, 03:47 PM
Is my attitude for attitude's sake? Well, yeah. But, you were chosen as the target today for posting quite possibly the stupidest take I've ever read on this board.

Tho, it occurred to me that perhaps I'm being unfair. Are you under 10? Because if you're a child, I'd be more than happy to calmly explain to you why your take is ridiculous. If you're an adult, then you're just an idiot. Completely ridiculous takes aren't worthy of calm reasoned discussion, IMO.

Chiefs_Fan_n_64081
09-18-2004, 03:53 PM
cdcox



Well at least you are straight forward.

I can understand that some fans might think I am way off base, but I would incourage them to be open minded.

Chiefs_Fan_n_64081
09-18-2004, 03:58 PM
Well, if making me a target helps you feel good about yourself then I guess you have accomplished your trivial ends.
So go ahead and get on with your mean self.

However, the fact still remains that my point is not only valid, but a subject that needs to be addressed by the CHIEFS organization itself.

Untill the CHIEFS tend to this affair it will be a henderance that will continue to haunt them.

ENDelt260
09-18-2004, 03:59 PM
Your point is NOT valid.

Go away.

Over-Head
09-18-2004, 04:00 PM
Is the offence not powerful enough?

No.

Is the defense just not up to snuff?

Believe it, or not - no.

.


NOPE,,,they just suck ROFL

ENDelt260
09-18-2004, 04:01 PM
NOPE,,,they just suck ROFL
At least that's funny.

Chiefs_Fan_n_64081
09-18-2004, 04:03 PM
yes that is funny


...in a childish sort of way.


Well,
I have said what needed to be said, and have put a necessary point of view out there.

So I will leave you to your quabbling and bickering now.

Rain Man
09-18-2004, 04:04 PM
There's a proven formula to winning a Super Bowl. Cheat on the salary cap, and then pay $2 million in fines and a couple of mid-round draft picks after the investigation.

Chiefs_Fan_n_64081
09-18-2004, 04:07 PM
Peace.

Bowser
09-18-2004, 04:09 PM
There's a proven formula to winning a Super Bowl. Cheat on the salary cap, and then pay $2 million in fines and a couple of mid-round draft picks after the investigation.

Now what NFL owner would be stoopid enough to try that? Jerry Bowlen Jr., perhaps? :hmmm:



Nothing worse than a tainted champ.

Thanks to Gaz for the use of the word "tainted".

Chiefaholic
09-18-2004, 04:26 PM
Is my attitude for attitude's sake? Well, yeah. But, you were chosen as the target today for posting quite possibly the stupidest take I've ever read on this board.

Tho, it occurred to me that perhaps I'm being unfair. Are you under 10? Because if you're a child, I'd be more than happy to calmly explain to you why your take is ridiculous. If you're an adult, then you're just an idiot. Completely ridiculous takes aren't worthy of calm reasoned discussion, IMO.


Even though I disagree that the Chiefs are picked on by the officiating. I do think that you're overreacting to the initial post. If you disagree, then say so. Perhaps voice your opinion on WHY you disagree w/o the senseless gradeschool namecalling.

Now, to answer the initial post..... I disagree that the Chiefs are picked on by the officiating. YES, I've seen calls that make you want to jump out of your chair and throw something at the TV. Yet, we catch an occasional break as well (Kennison's down by contact last week comes to mind).

If there's a legit arguement to officiating, there needs to be consistancy from week to week. If a crew or individual ref keeps making game deciding mistakes, then he/they need to be fined, suspended, or just flat out fired. One current example would be the constant flag throwing in preseason on contact after 5 yards and how "the NFL will crack down on the rule this year". Then in week one, Gonzales was mugged damn near every play. Where are the flags? There's no way in hell that the refs never saw it the entire game. If you're going to "crack down on a rule", then you need to be consistant with the playcalling.

Here's a legit arguement for you. You can work it from here....

ENDelt260
09-18-2004, 04:38 PM
Chiefaholic, the only thing less worthy of reasoned response than Chiefs_Fan_n_64081's ridiculous theory is my contribution to this thread.

PastorMikH
09-18-2004, 04:39 PM
I'm not too happy with some of the officiating over the years, but I refuse to stoop to the level of a Donkey fan and start crying about how the refs cost us anything. I went to watch our HS team in the State Championship game last year. The refs were blatent in their attempts to keep our team down but they couldn't do it. Great teams rise above the officiating and poor fans blame the officiating.


(Sorry for throwing it back up END, but it was near the top anyway - [edit]Oh, I just noticed that you bumped it seconds before me so never mind;))

Bowser
09-18-2004, 04:40 PM
Chiefaholic, the only thing less worthy of reasoned response than Chiefs_Fan_n_64081's ridiculous theory is my contribution to this thread.

You're starting to get pissed about that pizza, aren'tcha?

:)

ENDelt260
09-18-2004, 04:44 PM
You're starting to get pissed about that pizza, aren'tcha?

:)
Hungry + hungover = grumpy ENDelt.

The pizza just arrived, tho.

SNR
09-18-2004, 05:10 PM
The reason why the CHIEFS can't win another Superbowl is that they don't score more point than their opponent in the games that they lose.

ENDelt260
09-18-2004, 05:11 PM
The reason why the CHIEFS can't win another Superbowl is that they don't score more point than their opponent in the games that they lose.
Isn't it impossible to do otherwise?

Logical
09-18-2004, 05:21 PM
This thread does not even make sense, the only reason we were in last Sunday night's game was bad officiating.:rolleyes: Against Denver.

Calcountry
09-18-2004, 05:26 PM
Let me try to help. Supppose I started a thread instisting that the moon were made of swiss cheese. You disagreed with me and called me an idiot. I then asked you to discuss it rationally. What is there to discuss? My idea is far fetched, to say the least. Yet no matter what you say, since I am so committed to my idea, you are unlikely to change my mind.
Yeah, like KCWolfman trying to change Jaz's mind about Bush. :p

Nzoner
09-18-2004, 05:46 PM
There's a proven formula to winning a Super Bowl. Cheat on the salary cap, and then pay $2 million in fines and a couple of mid-round draft picks after the investigation.

Spraying the uniforms with cooking oil can help too.

andoman
09-18-2004, 07:17 PM
This thread does not even make sense, the only reason we were in last Sunday night's game was bad officiating.:rolleyes: Against Denver.

I would submit that the only reason we were in last Sunday's game was Jake Plummer.

Lord Bestyle
09-18-2004, 07:38 PM
Hmm... sounds like a...
http://bestmacs.com/personal/1603.jpg

listopencil
09-18-2004, 07:43 PM
I would submit that the only reason we were in last Sunday's game was Jake Plummer.

Yep. The thing that shocked me was when Trent Green, in the spirit of QB Brotherhoodedness, decided to run backwards for twenty-something yards and get sacked to make Plummer feel better about himself. Now, that's loyalty. Trent's got a good heart. I'll give him that.

Bowser
09-18-2004, 07:45 PM
Yep. The thing that shocked me was when Trent Green, in the spirit of QB Brotherhoodedness, decided to run backwards for twenty-something yards and get sacked to make Plummer feel better about himself. Now, that's loyalty. Trent's got a good heart. I'll give him that.

Begone, pissant!

:cuss:

milkman
09-18-2004, 07:46 PM
The reason the Chiefs can't win another SB is because they have a man in charge of drafting and signing talent who just can't seem to get the right talent in to field a complete team.

Whether that's poor talent evaluation, frugality, or allowing the coaches to yield to much sway in the decision making process, he just hasn't gotten it done.

It started out as a 5 year plan.
It has now become the never ending plan.

listopencil
09-18-2004, 07:49 PM
Begone, pissant!

:cuss:


I'm trying to give you a rival fan to hate on because this "Chiefs_Fan_n_64081" sounds like a real dipshit.

Bowser
09-18-2004, 07:52 PM
I'm trying to give you a rival fan to hate on because this "Chiefs_Fan_n_64081" sounds like a real dipshit.

ROFL

Thanks, bro! I knew somebody would step up! :thumb:

ENDelt260
09-18-2004, 08:03 PM
Yep. The thing that shocked me was when Trent Green, in the spirit of QB Brotherhoodedness, decided to run backwards for twenty-something yards and get sacked to make Plummer feel better about himself. Now, that's loyalty. Trent's got a good heart. I'll give him that.
Haha.

CosmicPal
09-18-2004, 08:03 PM
I can't believe I even read this thread- the pure incapacity of this thread is to a lesser degree than the total value of an entire Jerry Springer show.

Spend a little more time watching the game on the field instead of the cheerleaders on the sidelines, and you might learn something.

milkman
09-18-2004, 08:07 PM
I can't believe I even read this thread- the pure incapacity of this thread is to a lesser degree than the total value of an entire Jerry Springer show.

Spend a little more time watching the game on the field instead of the cheerleaders on the sidelines, and you might learn something.

Hell, if he spent any time watching the cheerleaders, he wouldn't be complaining about the officiating.

ENDelt260
09-18-2004, 08:16 PM
the pure incapacity of this thread is to a lesser degree than the total value of an entire Jerry Springer show.

I... what?

CosmicPal
09-18-2004, 08:20 PM
I... what?

Uhhh...that was the Canadian Club talking. :banghead:

I don't even understand what I was saying anymore...time for another drink

ENDelt260
09-18-2004, 08:23 PM
Uhhh...that was the Canadian Club talking. :banghead:

I don't even understand what I was saying anymore...time for another drink
Haha.

Rausch
09-18-2004, 08:37 PM
Is the offence not powerful enough?

No.

Is the defense just not up to snuff?

Believe it, or not - no.

The reason the CHIEFS can not win another Superbowl is because when it comes to a big game, they will never get a fairly officiated outing in the modern day NFL.

Dick Bull
09-18-2004, 08:41 PM
Spraying the uniforms with cooking oil can help too.

I thought it was ky jelly to lube up pussies.

ENDelt260
09-18-2004, 08:49 PM
Nicely played, Rausch.

Is that Britney?

whoman69
09-18-2004, 08:54 PM
While I would say the Chiefs get their fair share of bad calls against them, I would not agree its because of any bias. I would say bad calls are the result of bad refereeing.
The only possible bias I could see against the Chiefs would be a bias against Vermeil by officials. He can come off whiney in press conferences and I'm sure he comes off that way the officials as well. If he mentions before the game of how often Gonzo gets held every game, they will start watching it and call Gonzo for pushing off every time he does it. Officials are human, bitch and moan to them all the time and they are not going to react positively to you. If you complain all the time, they will have no sympathy. Hold your criticism until a critical time then the referees might consider that the coach doesn't complain that much so there may be something to it.

Rausch
09-18-2004, 09:06 PM
Nicely played, Rausch.

Is that Britney? :thumb:

TEX
09-18-2004, 10:19 PM
Bad calls are part of the game - every team gets them. However, not every team has the worst defense in the league over the past 3 years, has the cap room, and does nothing to upgrade the defensive talent. To me that's more of the reason then bad calls. Just my take...

ENDelt260
09-19-2004, 04:32 AM
Y'know... if it ever comes to light that Tagliaboo engineered a plot with the referees' union to f*ck over the Chiefs.... I'm gonna look like a big retard

mikey23545
09-19-2004, 05:14 AM
Is this thread over yet?