Celsius 41.11

[Cochise]

link (http://www.citizensunited-interactive.org/c41.11/)

What's the deal with this?

Says it's a real movie. :hmmm:

[RINGLEADER]

I guess it's a bash-Moore film. I have about as much interest in seeing that as I do F-911. Or Sixty Minutes.

[Cochise]

I guess it's a bash-Moore film. I have about as much interest in seeing that as I do F-911. Or Sixty Minutes.

Just wondered if anyone had heard anything about it. Don't care myself either, although the video clip was pretty disturbing but telling.

[trndobrd]

Sorry, looked intersting, but took too long to download.

[SNR]

Watching that clip of Saddam and the beatings of the innocent Iraqis was pretty disturbing to watch. And that's not close to the amount of terror Saddam filled the Kurds with.

IMO, something like that everyone should see, just so they know how good we have it. It doesn't even have to be used for political reasons.

The more I see stuff like that the more I'm confident it was a good decision to free Iraq.

[Metrolike]

Watching that clip of Saddam and the beatings of the innocent Iraqis was pretty disturbing to watch. And that's not close to the amount of terror Saddam filled the Kurds with.

IMO, something like that everyone should see, just so they know how good we have it. It doesn't even have to be used for political reasons.

The more I see stuff like that the more I'm confident it was a good decision to free Iraq.

In no way am I saying that the beatings are right, but I like how you assume right away that they are innocent. Bush propaganda is working.

[Duck Dog]

In no way am I saying that the beatings are right, but I like how you assume right away that they are innocent. Bush propaganda is working.


How do you know they weren't?

There are enough examples and enough first hand accounts of innocent Iraqi's being beaten and tortured that one can assume most were.

I see Michael Moore's propaganda is working.

[Patriot 21]

I see Michael Moore's propaganda is working.

Naw, it's KU. ROFL

[Duck Dog]

I guess it's a bash-Moore film. I have about as much interest in seeing that as I do F-911. Or Sixty Minutes.

Looked more than just a MM bash fest.

Looked like a left wing nut job bash fest. Looked interesting. I'll probably watch F911 and C41.11 back to back.

[Duck Dog]

Naw, it's KU. ROFL

I'm a born and raised diehard KU BB fan. My dads office and workout room are covered with KU BB items.

But some of the over the top liberal assed students, sure make rooting for them more difficult every year.

[Patriot 21]

I'm a born and raised diehard KU BB fan.

I knew that.....why do you think I said it? :mizzou:

I like your honesty though about the lieberal crap that goes on there. :thumb: I promise, I will be just as honest about Mizzous BB woes. ROFL

Back on topic; the movie trailer looked great! :thumb: It's about time. We however need to be fighting the war on lieberalism on the offensive as well, instead of waiting for them to strike, then responding.:shrug:

[Saulbadguy]

I'm a born and raised diehard KU BB fan. My dads office and workout room are covered with KU BB items.

But some of the over the top liberal assed students, sure make rooting for them more difficult every year.
Booo....JUST a basketball fan?

[Duck Dog]

Booo....JUST a basketball fan?


K State football, KU BB.

I have that luxury. I went to neither school, so I can root for who I want.
:p

[Saulbadguy]

K State football, KU BB.

I have that luxury. I went to neither school, so I can root for who I want.
:p
Bah..you suck. :p KSU Basketball and KU football (moreso) are up and coming programs.

[Duck Dog]

Bah..you suck. :p KSU Basketball and KU football (moreso) are up and coming programs.


Did I mention I'm a Shockers BB fan?

[Saulbadguy]

Did I mention I'm a Shockers BB fan?
Haha. WSU sucks. KSU has scoreboard over them...booyah. I was at last years game..tons of Shox fans...fun to watch them walk out in despair after we came back and beat them. :)

[Duck Dog]

Haha. WSU sucks. KSU has scoreboard over them...booyah. I was at last years game..tons of Shox fans...fun to watch them walk out in despair after we came back and beat them. :)


Yeah, I wish I still lived close enough to see those games.

[KCWolfman]

In no way am I saying that the beatings are right, but I like how you assume right away that they are innocent. Bush propaganda is working.


Does the word "innocent" even matter in his sentence? Aren't you splitting hairs?

[KCWolfman]

How do you know they weren't?

There are enough examples and enough first hand accounts of innocent Iraqi's being beaten and tortured that one can assume most were.

I see Michael Moore's propaganda is working.
Evidently they are guilty until proven innocent. "Anti-Bush propaganda is working".

[Lzen]

Evidently they are guilty until proven innocent. "Anti-Bush propaganda is working".

Yep, and don't forget "there is no terrorist threat". :rolleyes:

[Duck Dog]

Yep, and don't forget "there is no terrorist threat". :rolleyes:


well....there is a terrorist threat...it just happens to Bush's fault. You know, because there has never been a terrorist threat prior to the Iraq War.

[Metrolike]

I like how you put words in my mouth, lol. When did I say they were not innocent? All I said was one should NEVER assume. Neither of us knows whether the person was innocent or not, but what makes me better than you is that I don't assume. You guys are pathetic in how much you religiously follow Bush, lol.

[KCWolfman]

I like how you put words in my mouth, lol. When did I say they were not innocent? All I said was one should NEVER assume. Neither of us knows whether the person was innocent or not, but what makes me better than you is that I don't assume. You guys are pathetic in how much you religiously follow Bush, lol.
Actually, again, you are splitting hairs. Regardless of the crime, there is no excuse for the behavior.

You may laugh at our "Following", but it sure beats using "He may have been guilty" to excuse such behavior. And please don't come back with "I didn't excuse it", you did when you mentioned the man's possible cupability.

You have flown so far off topic, you need radar to come back.

[Cochise]

I like how you put words in my mouth, lol. When did I say they were not innocent? All I said was one should NEVER assume. Neither of us knows whether the person was innocent or not, but what makes me better than you is that I don't assume. You guys are pathetic in how much you religiously follow Bush, lol.

lol well lol you sKerry supporters lol are pathetic lol when you lol display the same behaviors lol as you laugh at in people on lol the other lol side lol lol.

[Duck Dog]

I like how you put words in my mouth, lol. When did I say they were not innocent? All I said was one should NEVER assume. Neither of us knows whether the person was innocent or not, but what makes me better than you is that I don't assume. You guys are pathetic in how much you religiously follow Bush, lol.


Are you condoning the torture of prisoners who have been found guilty of some crime?

[Radar Chief]

I like how you put words in my mouth, lol. When did I say they were not innocent? All I said was one should NEVER assume. Neither of us knows whether the person was innocent or not, but what makes me better than you is that I don't assume. You guys are pathetic in how much you religiously follow Bush, lol.

Well, at least your not a whiney elitist pr**k. :rolleyes:

[Metrolike]

OK, how many times do you have to read my post to understand that I don't condone torturing of any kind, what I ALSO don't condone is assuming. Which was the point of my post in the first place, you guys just like to twist shit as in to make it vulnurable to your replies.

KC Wolfman, how am I not on topic, was I the one who started bringing in KU and liberal insults?

As for following Kerry as religiously as you do, that's not even funny. I don't really like Kerry per say, he's just a guy I'd much rather see in office, that's all.

[Saulbadguy]

OK, how many times do you have to read my post to understand that I don't condone torturing of any kind, what I ALSO don't condone is assuming. Which was the point of my post in the first place, you guys just like to twist shit as in to make it vulnurable to your replies.

KC Wolfman, how am I not on topic, was I the one who started bringing in KU and liberal insults?

As for following Kerry as religiously as you do, that's not even funny. I don't really like Kerry per say, he's just a guy I'd much rather see in office, that's all.
Welcome to ChiefsPlanet.

[Duck Dog]

Well, at least your not a whiney elitist pr**k. :rolleyes:


He's not better than us, he's just luckier than us because he's still in college, surrounded by hot babes who like to get drunk and screw. Yet he spends his time, here? :hmmm:

[Radar Chief]

He's not better than us, he's just luckier than us because he's still in college, surrounded by hot babes who like to get drunk and screw. Yet he spends his time, here? :hmmm:

:LOL: Ok, that’s rep.

At least you’re a little more tolerant of that elitist crap than I am. :thumb:

[Metrolike]

He's not better than us, he's just luckier than us because he's still in college, surrounded by hot babes who like to get drunk and screw. Yet he spends his time, here? :hmmm:

LOL, what does that have to with anything? Why do you guys keep bringing in personal life into this?

But, yeah you are right all people do in college is drink and f**k 24/7. Maybe you are too old to remember but that usually happens only twice a week, friday and saturday.

[Duck Dog]

OK, how many times do you have to read my post to understand that I don't condone torturing of any kind, what I ALSO don't condone is assuming. Which was the point of my post in the first place, you guys just like to twist shit as in to make it vulnurable to your replies.

KC Wolfman, how am I not on topic, was I the one who started bringing in KU and liberal insults?

As for following Kerry as religiously as you do, that's not even funny. I don't really like Kerry per say, he's just a guy I'd much rather see in office, that's all.


When you said we shouldn't assume they were innocent, you effectively defended Sodom for torturing them. We can assume they were guilty or innocent because it is irrelevant to the fact that they were tortured.

[Cochise]

He's not better than us, he's just luckier than us because he's still in college, surrounded by hot babes who like to get drunk and screw. Yet he spends his time, here? :hmmm:

A lot of people are more liberal before they live in the real world, i.e., when they are still in college.

[Lzen]

In no way am I saying that the beatings are right, but I like how you assume right away that they are innocent. Bush propaganda is working.


How about the town of Iraqis that Saddam gassed in the late 80s? Are you saying that we can't assume that any of them were innocent? :rolleyes: Your argument is very weak.

[Duck Dog]

LOL, what does that have to with anything? Why do you guys keep bringing in personal life into this?

But, yeah you are right all people do in college is drink and f**k 24/7. Maybe you are too old to remember but that usually happens only twice a week, friday and saturday.


But saying we are pathetic for following Bush religiously isn't getting personal?

[Saulbadguy]

A lot of people are more liberal before they live in the real world, i.e., when they are still in college.
Or those who live in populous areas and not in the middle of nowhere ie the midwest. :)
Thats where my familys liberalism came from. I think.

[Duck Dog]

A lot of people are more liberal before they live in the real world, i.e., when they are still in college.


Wasn't it Churchhill who said;

"An 18 year old who isn't a liberal has no heart"

"A 30 year old who isn't a conservative has no brain."

or something like that.

[Metrolike]

When you said we shouldn't assume they were innocent, you effectively defended Sodom for torturing them. We can assume they were guilty or innocent because it is irrelevant to the fact that they were tortured.

OMFG, how thick is that head of yours? I wasn't defending shit. I was attacking all the assuming everybody seems to enjoy so much around here. I don't know ANY people who would condone such atrocities, if you think that I support Saddam and his ways of ruling, you can just make yourself a little more cozy by tucking in your head a little deeper up your ass.

[Metrolike]

How about the town of Iraqis that Saddam gassed in the late 80s? Are you saying that we can't assume that any of them were innocent? :rolleyes: Your argument is very weak.

What is my argument?

You think I'm arguing that those people were infact innocent. NO, if you read my posts, you would know that I was arguing that "assuming is bad".

[Duck Dog]

OMFG, how thick is that head of yours? I wasn't defending shit. I was attacking all the assuming everybody seems to enjoy so much around here. I don't know ANY people who would condone such atrocities, if you think that I support Saddam and his ways of ruling, you can just make yourself a little more cozy by tucking in your head a little deeper up your ass.


Then what difference does it make if we assume he was torturing an innocent person?

[Metrolike]

Then what difference does it make if we assume he was torturing an innocent person?

Because that's precisely what Bush's adminstration wants people to believe. While you may be smart and think for yourself, there are people who eat that shit up and start LOVING Bush with all their hearts because he's such a hero.

[Duck Dog]

Because that's precisely what Bush's adminstration wants people to believe. While you may be smart and think for yourself, there are people who eat that shit up and start LOVING Bush with all their hearts because he's such a hero.


Just to make sure I understand your point;

Bush wants people to belive Sodom was torturing innocent people, when in reality they weren't innocent?

But that still doesn't make torturing them right?

But it's bad for Bush to want us to believe it?

[Metrolike]

"Saddam tortures innocent people" will get Bush a lot more votes than
"Saddam tortures rapists." Can we agree on that?

[Duck Dog]

"Saddam tortures innocent people" will get Bush a lot more votes than
"Saddam tortures rapists." Can we agree on that?


No. I don't agree with that at all. How many members of the Iraqi national soccer team who admitted they were beaten when the performed poorly were rapists?

[Cochise]

No. I don't agree with that at all. How many members of the Iraqi national soccer team who admitted they were beaten when the performed poorly were rapists?

Wow, apparently the belief is that people being tortured deserved to be tortured, and Saddam Hussein was no monster, but little more than someone who used a tad of excess force in punishment of criminals?

:bong:

[Duck Dog]

Wow, apparently the belief is that people being tortured deserved to be tortured, and Saddam Hussein was no monster, but little more than someone who used a tad of excess force in punishment of criminals?

:bong:


As it turned out his point was;

We were idiotic religious Bush followers because we were willing to assume the guy being tortured didn't deserve it. And that's precisely how Bush planned to garner more votes.

go figure.

[KCWolfman]

OK, how many times do you have to read my post to understand that I don't condone torturing of any kind, what I ALSO don't condone is assuming. Which was the point of my post in the first place, you guys just like to twist shit as in to make it vulnurable to your replies.

KC Wolfman, how am I not on topic, was I the one who started bringing in KU and liberal insults?

As for following Kerry as religiously as you do, that's not even funny. I don't really like Kerry per say, he's just a guy I'd much rather see in office, that's all.
#1. If you say "Not, that I condone the torture, but how do you know he was innocent", you may as well say "I don't really hate all black people, in fact I have a friend who is black". Your intent was clear and had nothing to do with the topic.

#2. I didn't bring an insult of any kind, KU or otherwise. Regardless of who did, that does not make my statement any less true - you are off topic.

#3. For someone who doesn't follow someone religiously, you sure switched topics fast and made the thread an attempted Bush bash.

[KCWolfman]

What is my argument?

You think I'm arguing that those people were infact innocent. NO, if you read my posts, you would know that I was arguing that "assuming is bad".
Then why even mention the matter of innocence? If the viewpoint is moot and you agree with all others here, it is assinine for you to bring it up.