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NaptownChief
09-19-2004, 06:29 PM
Well DV is probably the nicest damn guy to have the head coaches title in the NFL but putting aside the fact that he is so likeable how would you grade him now into his 4th season.

Our high powered offense the past couple years was exciting and a lot of fun to watch but now in his 4th season we have yet to win a playoff game and our defense has been the worst in the NFL over that 4 year stretch. We are now a very old offense by NFL standards and our defense is showing no signs of becoming adequate before most of the offenses key players get too old.

It is very likely that he leaves after this season leaving us with the worst defense in the NFL and a offense that is very long in the tooth on top of that a well below average job in the draft the past few years leaving us very little up and coming talent.

Assuming this season ends up 8-8 or worse and a non-playoff season how would you rate the acquisition of DV that cost us a 2nd and 3rd round pick on top of a team that will most likely be in a struggling rebuilding phase?

I'm not really looking to turn this into a rip DV session as I really like the guy but just looking for a honest opinion as to how you view this past four season process.

J Diddy
09-19-2004, 06:32 PM
Wait til the season is over.

JimNasium
09-19-2004, 06:33 PM
You can't grade a year until it is over. I really wish people would step away from the ledge.

Demonpenz
09-19-2004, 06:34 PM
we would have just wasted the draft picks anyway

Raiderhader
09-19-2004, 06:35 PM
I agree with J Diddy and the claymation man.

|Zach|
09-19-2004, 06:36 PM
You can't grade a year until it is over. I really wish people would step away from the ledge.
Message Board Culture.

NaptownChief
09-19-2004, 06:36 PM
You can't grade a year until it is over. I really wish people would step away from the ledge.


If it makes you feel better then make it a 3 year and 2 game grade. :D

NaptownChief
09-19-2004, 07:09 PM
Taco, was that you that handed out the A?

cdcox
09-19-2004, 07:11 PM
Too early to determine. KC peaked too early last year. We don't yet have that worry this year.

Chiefs Pantalones
09-19-2004, 07:14 PM
If we don't win the Super Bowl, his tenure was a failure. Same with every team. That's why they play the games, for the championships.

the Talking Can
09-19-2004, 07:14 PM
while this season has been a total disaster so far, and our coaches have been out coached badly, and our team seems painfully ill-prepared in all phases, and our defense is worse then last year (which defies some natural law), it is still too early to give the grade....prior to this season starting, DV had cleared out Marty-ball and given us a 13-3 season with home field advantage

my fear, now, is that last year was our only real chance....we'll see, much to be decided

Bowser
09-19-2004, 07:16 PM
I give him an A so far this year.














A for AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

milkman
09-19-2004, 07:18 PM
our defense is worse then last year (which defies some natural law) :clap:

Coogs
09-19-2004, 07:20 PM
Too early to determine. KC peaked too early last year. We don't yet have that worry this year.


There was a stat thrown out on the FOX broadcast about the amount of points the Chiefs had given up in their last 5 games (I think) last season, and first 2 games this season. It was an unbelievable stat.

I have loved watching what DV brought to this team. They have been a pure joy to watch with Dante on ST's and the offense the past couple of years. And we had a chance to go to the Super Bowl. For the better part of last season, it was a real chance too.

My only negative thought on DV is this.... that we may have too many "profile" guys on this team. At the risk of sounding like Whitlock, I really think we could use some guys on defense that were just down right nasty at times.

I'll give him high marks though, cause the Grbac and players quitting was really one of the low points of my 35 years of being a Chiefs fan. Don't ever want to go back to those days.

htismaqe
09-19-2004, 07:20 PM
This defense is NOT worse than last year's. Not by any stretch.

However, the offense is much, MUCH worse.

htismaqe
09-19-2004, 07:23 PM
As for a 4-year grade -- incomplete. Kinda hard to grade a season that just started.

If I were to give him a grade for the first 3, I'd give them a solid C. Same old mediocrity as always.

OldTownChief
09-19-2004, 07:24 PM
while this season has been a total disaster so far, and our coaches have been out coached badly, and our team seems painfully ill-prepared in all phases, and our defense is worse then last year (which defies some natural law), it is still too early to give the grade....prior to this season starting, DV had cleared out Marty-ball and given us a 13-3 season with home field advantage

my fear, now, is that last year was our only real chance....we'll see, much to be decided

I agree with you. There is hope......

Raiderhader
09-19-2004, 07:24 PM
There was a stat thrown out on the FOX broadcast about the amount of points the Chiefs had given up in their last 5 games (I think) last season, and first 2 games this season. It was an unbelievable stat.

I have loved watching what DV brought to this team. They have been a pure joy to watch with Dante on ST's and the offense the past couple of years. And we had a chance to go to the Super Bowl. For the better part of last season, it was a real chance too.

My only negative thought on DV is this.... that we may have too many "profile" guys on this team. At the risk of sounding like Whitlock, I really think we could use some guys on defens that were just down right nasty at times.

I'll give him high marks though, cause the Grbac and players quitting was really one of the low points of my 35 years of being a Chiefs fan. Don't ever want to go back to those days.


I more or less agree with everything here. If I had to grade DV on what he has accomplished thus far, a trip back to the playoffs after a long hiatus insures I don't vote below a C. However I don't have to grade him right now, and really am not in the right frame of mind to do so objectively.

Raiderhader
09-19-2004, 07:25 PM
This defense is NOT worse than last year's. Not by any stretch.

However, the offense is much, MUCH worse.


Quit being sensible, Parker. Damn you.

ChiefsFanatik88
09-19-2004, 07:25 PM
Wait til the season is over.
I second or third that motion

NaptownChief
09-19-2004, 07:25 PM
This defense is NOT worse than last year's. Not by any stretch.

However, the offense is much, MUCH worse.


I think there is a real decent chance that the two teams we played so far have average to below average offenses and if that turns out to be the case I think it is quite possible this defense is every bit as bad as last years.

If the Donks and Panthers turn out to have top 5 type of offenses then I would agree with you.

Raiderhader
09-19-2004, 07:26 PM
I second or third that motion

More like fourth or fifth, maybe even sixth. But who the hell cares.

the Talking Can
09-19-2004, 07:26 PM
Dude got us back to the playoffs after a long absence...that's worth a B

dirk digler
09-19-2004, 07:27 PM
There was a stat thrown out on the FOX broadcast about the amount of points the Chiefs had given up in their last 5 games (I think) last season, and first 2 games this season. It was an unbelievable stat.

I have loved watching what DV brought to this team. They have been a pure joy to watch with Dante on ST's and the offense the past couple of years. And we had a chance to go to the Super Bowl. For the better part of last season, it was a real chance too.

My only negative thought on DV is this.... that we may have too many "profile" guys on this team. At the risk of sounding like Whitlock, I really think we could use some guys on defens that were just down right nasty at times.

I'll give him high marks though, cause the Grbac and players quitting was really one of the low points of my 35 years of being a Chiefs fan. Don't ever want to go back to those days.

I am disturbed by the fact that last year we were 2-4 against winning teams and now we are 0-2. Maybe we are not as good as we think we are.

Demonpenz
09-19-2004, 07:28 PM
where's the check minus option

Raiderhader
09-19-2004, 07:31 PM
I think there is a real decent chance that the two teams we played so far have average to below average offenses and if that turns out to be the case I think it is quite possible this defense is every bit as bad as last years.

If the Donks and Panthers turn out to have top 5 type of offenses then I would agree with you.


One thing you have to remember about the Panthers, while they were not an offensive powerhouse last year, they still found away to put the points on the board that they needed. That is a team that just finds a way to win. There were questions about wether or not Jake could carry that team if the need arose, he proved once or twice that he could. Stephen Davis and DeShaun Foster are great backs, Steve Smith is a great WR, and Ricky Proehl and Muhammed are no slouches.

They may not be the '99 Rams, but they know how to get the job done.

cdcox
09-19-2004, 07:32 PM
After reading the thread header more carefully, and going with your assumption that we finish 8-8 or worse (which I am not at all convinced will happen yet) I'd give the whole DV tenure a C.

Frazod
09-19-2004, 07:34 PM
F for decision making

F for having NO BALLS

F for failing to recognize and compensate for glaring weaknesses that everybody but him can see.

F for squandering the offense last year. Now the window's closed.

F for waiving Super Bowl dreams at us while only being the second coming of Marty.

F for sucking the life out me in ONLY THE SECOND WEEK

F for F#CK YOU DICK

4321

:cuss:

the Talking Can
09-19-2004, 07:36 PM
if we don't make the playoffs this year: C- (he get's credit for rebuilding Marty's mess)

if we make the playoffs and lose: C+ (got to win a playoff game)

if we win 1 game: B (we improved every year, not bad Dick)

if we advance to the AFC Championship or beyond: A

dirk digler
09-19-2004, 07:38 PM
His record is 27-24 so if I had to grade then it is a C. If we win the Super Bowl then it is an A.

milkman
09-19-2004, 07:38 PM
F

F for waiving Super Bowl dreams at us while only being the second coming of Marty.


:cuss:

I'd say for being the Bizzaro Marty.

tk13
09-19-2004, 07:42 PM
I'm not disagreeing with anything in this thread really, but I did want to throw in the fact that (up until the last two games apparently), DV did help built an elite offense with nothing more than what most fans would consider a bunch of castoffs from other teams... Green was a rehab project, nobody thought highly of Priest, Roaf was supposed to be injured and on the downside of his career, Kennison quit on his previous team, Waters was a fullback, Tait was a failed right tackle, Dante Hall was supposedly too small and not quick enough, Boerigter was some small college guy from the CFL... the only two people on this offense that were still considered top caliber players were Gonzo and Shields, and somehow the coaching staff turned that into an offense that everyone expects greatness from. It's funny really, almost every single draft pick and FA we've brought in that people think highly of due to previous performance hasn't been as all-world as the guys who nobody expected anything from....

Coogs
09-19-2004, 07:50 PM
I think there is a real decent chance that the two teams we played so far have average to below average offenses and if that turns out to be the case I think it is quite possible this defense is every bit as bad as last years.

This concerns me as well. When Carolina comes in without their #1 widout, #1 RB, and 3 new O-linemen.... and kicks the crap out of our defense.... it just ain't good!