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ChiTown
09-20-2004, 10:27 AM
other than the opposing teams RB's. Here's a group that needs to find their game, or find the exit:

Roaf - Willie looks horribly slow. I don't know if he's just old or is nursing an injury, but he's got to get his shit together. I don't know if Bober can play LT, but that might be an option until Wilie gets his game back in order.

Morton - Looks uninspired, slow to his routes and just all round bad. Dude has got to find some game, and bring it on more than just 2-3 plays.

Hall - Is Dante wearing ballet slippers? How many more times is he going slip and to trip himself up. I'm not asking for a TD return, I just want better balance from a guy who makes a living in the return game.

Hicks - Stop talking and start producing. I'm sick of this pussy. He scored a huge contract and has been worthless ever since. Say what you want, but his lack of killer instinct is a big reason we suck along the DL

Sims - We might as well plant a tree at LDT. At least a tree provides shade in the afternoon.............I think we can officially call this a wasted pick.

Barber - Hello, is anybody home? If you've seen Shawn, tell him we'd like for him to make a tackle. Getting one's hands on a player doesn't mean he's down. This isn't touch Shawn, it's tackle. Rap the fugger up and bring him down like a man.

McCleon - Dex had a nice season, last year. He looks gawd awful this year. We have to have him step up. Julian Battle, Will Bart and Sapp are just of no use to this team right now. This spot scares the crap outta me.

DV and the Staff - Show some fugging balls. Take a few chances, and stop playing like this offense is a juggernaut - cuz it ain't. Go for the 4th downs, stop playing like we always have a lead, and show something, anything that tells us you're alive! You and Your merry band of overpaid idiots need a gut check. Get it together during the week, and bring it to the field on Sundays. Nuff said.

David.
09-20-2004, 10:29 AM
Hicks signed a relatively small contract this season.

htismaqe
09-20-2004, 10:38 AM
What game were you watching? Sims was double-teamed quite often, and even when he was he split them a couple of times.

David.
09-20-2004, 10:39 AM
What game were you watching? Sims was double-teamed quite often, and even when he was he split them a couple of times.

ssshhhh you'll wake him from his dream world.

BigRedChief
09-20-2004, 10:41 AM
What game were you watching? Sims was double-teamed quite often, and even when he was he split them a couple of times.

I was there and saw it. Sims didn't play bad at all. But Dalton and Salivi made some plays that Sims didn't and they were double teamed also. The jury is still out on the "bust or not" decision on Sims but it's not looking good for the 6th pick in the draft.

jspchief
09-20-2004, 10:45 AM
My biggest beef this week may have been Morton, and really all of our WRs. None of these guys attacks the ball. None of them act like they want it more than the defender. I'm watching receivers all over the league that are ripping balls out the air and coming back to passes, while our guys run their routes with their hands out and expect the ball to land in them.

Age has to be part of it. These guys just aren't as hungry. Hall will never be any real threat (as I've said all along). I'm ready to see Richard Smith in on every down. he may have dropped those passes, but on at least two of them he actually looked like he wanted it. He actually jumped for a high pass (gasp!) and came back to the ball (what a concept!).

ChiTown
09-20-2004, 10:45 AM
What game were you watching? Sims was double-teamed quite often, and even when he was he split them a couple of times.

Uh, he wasn't double teamed all day, htis. He had a lot of opportunities and cashed in on none. He's THE guy. At some point, when he has the chance, he has to do something.

David, look junior, I'm not dreaming, I saw what I saw and he was manhandled in single coverage as well.

J Diddy
09-20-2004, 10:46 AM
I was there and saw it. Sims didn't play bad at all. But Dalton and Salivi made some plays that Sims didn't and they were double teamed also. The jury is still out on the "bust or not" decision on Sims but it's not looking good for the 6th pick in the draft.

Um guys here's the kicker. If you have a dl who's getting double teamed shouldn't one of the guys whose not be the one expected to make the plays.

JimNasium
09-20-2004, 10:47 AM
The whole team is sleepwalking. The only guy playing with any passion is Priest.

Straight, No Chaser
09-20-2004, 11:04 AM
Some great takes..what did you spike the java with?

other than the opposing teams RB's. Here's a group that needs to find their game, or find the exit:
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Morton - Looks uninspired, slow to his routes and just all round bad. Dude has got to find some game, and bring it on more than just 2-3 plays.


From what I've seen he sort of looks like he's moving in Jello. I think the absence of screens for Holmes has helped Saltman become more of a non-factor so far. Last year he contributed in a big way on those plays. He needs to step it up in a number of areas.


McCleon - Dex had a nice season, last year. He looks gawd awful this year. We have to have him step up. Julian Battle, Will Bart and Sapp are just of no use to this team right now. This spot scares the crap outta me.

Ding! Ding!


... and show something, anything that tells us you're alive!
...

This statement nails what's happened in two weeks and it only took 9 words!
Rep.



---->

ChiTown
09-20-2004, 11:10 AM
Hicks signed a relatively small contract this season.

I was talking about the contract he signed after his blow out 14 sack season of 2000. Seriously, he's been worthless since then.

penguinz
09-20-2004, 11:12 AM
The whole team is sleepwalking. The only guy playing with any passion is Priest.If he was playing with passion he would stop saying he does not want to be part of the passing game. He should want teh ball no matter how he gets it.

TEX
09-20-2004, 11:13 AM
other than the opposing teams RB's. Here's a group that needs to find their game, or find the exit:

Roaf - Willie looks horribly slow. I don't know if he's just old or is nursing an injury, but he's got to get his shit together. I don't know if Bober can play LT, but that might be an option until Wilie gets his game back in order.

Morton - Looks uninspired, slow to his routes and just all round bad. Dude has got to find some game, and bring it on more than just 2-3 plays.

Hall - Is Dante wearing ballet slippers? How many more times is he going slip and to trip himself up. I'm not asking for a TD return, I just want better balance from a guy who makes a living in the return game.

Hicks - Stop talking and start producing. I'm sick of this pussy. He scored a huge contract and has been worthless ever since. Say what you want, but his lack of killer instinct is a big reason we suck along the DL

Sims - We might as well plant a tree at LDT. At least a tree provides shade in the afternoon.............I think we can officially call this a wasted pick.

Barber - Hello, is anybody home? If you've seen Shawn, tell him we'd like for him to make a tackle. Getting one's hands on a player doesn't mean he's down. This isn't touch Shawn, it's tackle. Rap the fugger up and bring him down like a man.

McCleon - Dex had a nice season, last year. He looks gawd awful this year. We have to have him step up. Julian Battle, Will Bart and Sapp are just of no use to this team right now. This spot scares the crap outta me.

DV and the Staff - Show some fugging balls. Take a few chances, and stop playing like this offense is a juggernaut - cuz it ain't. Go for the 4th downs, stop playing like we always have a lead, and show something, anything that tells us you're alive! You and Your merry band of overpaid idiots need a gut check. Get it together during the week, and bring it to the field on Sundays. Nuff said.

Nooe - not "Nuff said." - You forgot to mention Woods and anyone who is playing MLB...

redsurfer11
09-20-2004, 11:18 AM
Can't fault Sims playing, he was being double teamed all day. It opened up the field for Dalton to make plays. The defensive line play has improved greatly over last year. The linebackers are the ones having problems adjusting.

ChiTown
09-20-2004, 11:20 AM
Nooe - not "Nuff said." - You forgot to mention Woods and anyone who is playing MLB...

With Wesley out, Woods gets a pass this week.

As for MLB, we currently have a converted DE to OLB, who was then converted to MLB. The next couple of weeks should be pretty telling in what we have with KM. If Kawika is even close to being worth a $hit, he should be able to replace Beisel at MLB, even if he is nursing an injury.

htismaqe
09-20-2004, 11:26 AM
Uh, he wasn't double teamed all day, htis. He had a lot of opportunities and cashed in on none. He's THE guy. At some point, when he has the chance, he has to do something.

David, look junior, I'm not dreaming, I saw what I saw and he was manhandled in single coverage as well.

I never said he was double-teamed "all day". I said he was double-teamed "quite often" and he was. He also broke a couple of them.

I'm not saying he's a world-beater, but he's looking better each game. He was one of the guys who suffered most under Robinson.

htismaqe
09-20-2004, 11:27 AM
Um guys here's the kicker. If you have a dl who's getting double teamed shouldn't one of the guys whose not be the one expected to make the plays.

Yeah, when DT's get double-teamed you expect the DE's to make plays.

Unfortunately, we don't have any real DE's.

ROYC75
09-20-2004, 11:27 AM
Right now youcan look at the whole team, except the guys sitting on the pine.

Even yesterday when Green was hit on a pass play, they called it a fumble.... no wistle and Priest Holmes was less than 5 yards to the ball, made no effort to go after it, assuming it was incompleted pass.

Team ball is lacking.......... period, across the board.

WR's are hurt and out of sync with Green
Gonzo plays like he is hurt.
Roaf looked like his arthritis is flaring up, he was slow yesterday.
McCleon looks like he favors his shoulder and is affraid to make a tackle.

It starts at the coaches and goes downhill to the players .

htismaqe
09-20-2004, 11:27 AM
With Wesley out, Woods gets a pass this week.

As for MLB, we currently have a converted DE to OLB, who was then converted to MLB. The next couple of weeks should be pretty telling in what we have with KM. If Kawika is even close to being worth a $hit, he should be able to replace Beisel at MLB, even if he is nursing an injury.

What's Woods' excuse when Wesley is in? Woods flat out sucks in zone coverage. They should move him back to nickel, he's no good unless he's getting his mits on someone.

Chiefnj
09-20-2004, 11:33 AM
Why are blue chip defensive tackles on other teams, who are frequently double teamed, able to make tackles, sacks, etc., but Sims doesn't? People love to use the "Sims was double teamed" excuse a lot with the kid. The fact remains he is underproducing and underachieving for someone who was taken with the number 6 pick 3 years ago.

ChiTown
09-20-2004, 11:36 AM
What's Woods' excuse when Wesley is in? Woods flat out sucks in zone coverage. They should move him back to nickel, he's no good unless he's getting his mits on someone.

I dunno. I haven't paid as much attention to Woods to give an honest assessment. Now that you mention it, I'll spy on him next week.

InChiefsHell
09-20-2004, 11:40 AM
Sorry, but I'm not prepared to lay this loss at the feet of the Defense. They held Carolona TD-less in the first half. **I mean held them to one TD...** In the second half, Carlolina had the fuggin' ball for 21+ minutes. Our lame ass offense only had it for a little over 8. If you put that kind of pressure on any defense, you will have problems. If you put that kind of pressure on OUR defense, you will lose.

...nope. Our D got 2 picks, one returned for a TD. The offense was lame as lame can be. I still think that if our O had been competative, we wouldn't have given up so much on Defense.

Nope. This loss is directly the fault of our Offense, or lack thereof. Priest was taken out with 8 minutes left in the game, but was apparently not injured...? He only had 66 yards or something like that. We weren't converting third downs, and thereby put the game in the hands of our defense, which is the worse place to put them. And still, the Defense OUTPERFORMED the offense. They got it done until the 4th quarter. The offense got it done in the first quarter, then went out to the paking lot for beer and brats...

This is indeed going to be a long year. I have no confidence in this team's ability right now. They need to win big this weekend. Sadly, it's not even a given that they will show up to play at all...

tonyetony
09-20-2004, 11:52 AM
The O and Coaching contributed more to this loss than the D. Barber agaist the run is a Joke. I just reviewed the linebacker play on the big runs agaist us yester day and 3 times barber made terrible decisions.Beisel took on the lead blocker at the line "as he should" and recieved absolutly NADA help from Barber or a safety. Agist the run the first half the d was swarming. After the O left them out to dry they simply lost their legs and their heads.

ChiTown
09-20-2004, 11:55 AM
The O and Coaching contributed more to this loss than the D. Barber agaist the run is a Joke. I just reviewed the linebacker play on the big runs agaist us yester day and 3 times barber made terrible decisions.Beisel took on the lead blocker at the line "as he should" and recieved absolutly NADA help from Barber or a safety. Agist the run the first half the d was swarming. After the O left them out to dry they simply lost their legs and their heads.

Agreed. The D played great in the first half. Came out lousy to start the 3rd, and tried to hang on after being forced on the field by our putrid O. Still, the D did a lot of what ew saw last year - long runs, poor tackling, missed assignments, etc. SSDD

J Diddy
09-20-2004, 11:57 AM
Yeah, when DT's get double-teamed you expect the DE's to make plays.

Unfortunately, we don't have any real DE's.

Sheesh, haven't you heard Hicks talk.
He's the second coming of Reggie White.

shaneo69
09-20-2004, 12:00 PM
What's Woods' excuse when Wesley is in? Woods flat out sucks in zone coverage. They should move him back to nickel, he's no good unless he's getting his mits on someone.

I'm starting to think we should have used Woods' and Wesley's money elsewhere and started Pile and Harts at safety. Thought Pile was one of few bright spots yesterday.

InChiefsHell
09-20-2004, 12:05 PM
Last years offense with this year's defense, we would have had a different outcome. Our defense has indeed improved, but our offense has taken huge steps backwards, which exposes our defense to way too much playing time and therefore opportunities for mistakes. Sorry, I really think last year was our best chance, and GRob fugged that up for us. The offense is predictable, injury ridden and seemingly in decline. The Defense does it's job, but it depends on the offense to stay on the field.

Unless that changes, we're screwed...

Scaga
09-20-2004, 12:49 PM
http://www.kcchiefs.com/depth_chart/

:banghead:

htismaqe
09-20-2004, 01:42 PM
Why are blue chip defensive tackles on other teams, who are frequently double teamed, able to make tackles, sacks, etc., but Sims doesn't? People love to use the "Sims was double teamed" excuse a lot with the kid. The fact remains he is underproducing and underachieving for someone who was taken with the number 6 pick 3 years ago.

Blue chip like who? John Henderson? He had 6.5 sacks in 2002, but other than that, he hasn't done that much. This season, he has 8 tackles in 2 games. He plays next to Marcus Stroud, one of the best DT's in the game.

Is Sims underproducing? Absolutely. Is he a complete and utter bust? Not a chance.

FWIW, he looked CONSIDERABLY better next to Siavii than he did next to Dalton. When Dalton was in the game, Sims almost always got a double-team.

penguinz
09-20-2004, 01:50 PM
Sorry, but I'm not prepared to lay this loss at the feet of the Defense. They held Carolona TD-less in the first half. **I mean held them to one TD...** In the second half, Carlolina had the fuggin' ball for 21+ minutes. Our lame ass offense only had it for a little over 8. If you put that kind of pressure on any defense, you will have problems. If you put that kind of pressure on OUR defense, you will lose.

They had the ball for 21 minutes because our D gave the whole 3rd quater to Carolina. How long was that first drive? How many 3rd down conversion we let them have on that drive alone?

InChiefsHell
09-20-2004, 02:17 PM
They had the ball for 21 minutes in spite of the fact that our D produced a turnover and scored a touchdown to give the team the lead. Granted, the celebration penalty was boneheaded and all, but dammit, the offense contributed nothing in the second half. Yes you are correct on the long drive, but what about the fact that our O couldn't mount a drive to save our lives? If the offense would have taken advantage AT SOME DAMN POINT after the first quarter, we win this game.

...btw. Love your av...

DanT
09-20-2004, 02:21 PM
My biggest beef this week may have been Morton, and really all of our WRs. None of these guys attacks the ball. None of them act like they want it more than the defender. I'm watching receivers all over the league that are ripping balls out the air and coming back to passes, while our guys run their routes with their hands out and expect the ball to land in them.

Age has to be part of it. These guys just aren't as hungry. Hall will never be any real threat (as I've said all along). I'm ready to see Richard Smith in on every down. he may have dropped those passes, but on at least two of them he actually looked like he wanted it. He actually jumped for a high pass (gasp!) and came back to the ball (what a concept!).

Yeah, I've been pretty disappointed with Morton for a while now. I'd heard that he was a solid performer from some Lions fans and was expecting him to be quietly excellent in the ways that the fans of a team recognize in a player even when he doesn't put up flashy numbers. But Morton has done little to impress me with his play. This year he's been very unimpressive. I wasn't sure what his deal was, but yesterday I saw a replay on a ball thrown to him that told me a lot. I saw the game on mute in a sports bar so I don't know if it was commented upon by the announcers, but he just totally punked out on a ball that was thrown to him over the middle in traffic.

I'm still hopeful about Hall as receiver. He has the kind of talent in the open-field that I expect he can learn to get separation from defenders.

Yesterday reminded me of the Chiefs' anemic offenses of, say, the 1996 season. I used to think that games were won at the line of scrimmage and that you can just plug in moderately good talent at the skill positions and still get good performances as long as you dominate the line. I've grown past that notion. There's a big damn drop-off between elite skill players and the overall replacement-level stuff that occupies the 2nd and 3rd-string on most rosters, it now seems to me.

I don't know if the other Chiefs' receivers are atacking the ball or not. Morton sure wasn't on that one play. I'm pretty confident that Green is capable of delivering the ball where it can be caught, so whatever problem there is with our passing game must lie with the receivers' lack of skills, but I don't know what skills each of them lacks.

On the other hand, my opinions on receivers aren't all that great. When Joe Horn played for us, I was convinced that he lacked the football smarts to excel in the NFL, based on a handful of plays in which he failed to try to bail out a quarterback flushed out of the pocket by coming back toward the ball. He sure proved me wrong with his subsequent play in New Orleans!

DanT
09-20-2004, 02:27 PM
I hope no one reads my previous post and concludes that I thought that the Chiefs dominated the line yesterday. They got their ass kicked at the line, from what I saw.

LTownChief
09-20-2004, 02:51 PM
I had beef with Welbourne the first game, but looked much better against Carolina.

Roaf: Are you kidding me?????????? that is completely idiotic to look at him as a weakness
Barber: One of the few defensive players that plays well, he can't fill everyone's gaps.


I think our receiver play has sucked, Morton was a big time pussy on that one play against Carolina where he saw the safety and didn't even go up for the pass because he didnt want to get hit. I was pissed off about that. Kennison had a good game in Week 1 but didnt he get hurt early in week 2?
Richard Smith couldn't come down with 2 very catchable balls.
Siavii has been alright, Allen has been ok. Biesel has been solid but has made some serious mistakes with the run D.
We obviously need Wesley back IMMEDIATELY.
maybe we should try out Chris Horn in a game? he catched everything in preseason, then again so did Richard Smith but you might as well try him, we can't toss it to Tony every time.

where did the Priest Holmes screens go??????

ChiTown
09-20-2004, 04:15 PM
I had beef with Welbourne the first game, but looked much better against Carolina.

Roaf: Are you kidding me?????????? that is completely idiotic to look at him as a weakness
Barber: One of the few defensive players that plays well, he can't fill everyone's gaps.




Dude, if you can't tell that Willie has lost a step and looks slow manning up, espeically in the pass game, then you are looking thru rose colored glasses. I love Willie, but his game looks off.

Re: Barber
Plays well? If playing well means missing lots of tackles, then yes, he's playing spectacular right now.