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KCWolfman
09-21-2004, 06:29 PM
MOST IMPORTANT - If you are not on the Leaderboard (click here) (http://home.earthlink.net/~kcwolfman/leaderboard.htm) then I am not placing your bets. Check the leaderboard before you bet.

Everyone starts with 10,000 credits. Read the Rules (click here) (http://home.earthlink.net/~kcwolfman/rules.htm)carefully. If I catch any errors in your bets before the game starts, I will try to notify you, but I am not ultimately responsibly.

After you are sure of the rules come back here and place your bets on this thread. The odds are on Week Three Odds - Click Here (http://home.earthlink.net/~kcwolfman/week3.htm)

Important - The Monday Night Game does not yet have odds released. I will check again tomorrow

I will take your bets from this page and place them on the Week Three Odds Page

I STRONGLY advice that you refresh the pages before referring to them, especially if you have cookies activated.

Also note this very important fact: You are responsible for insuring your bets are placed accurately. Check it to insure your bets are correct. Remember - only you can prevent bad bet placement

IMPORTANT RULE - DO NOT EDIT YOUR BETS AFTER YOU HAVE PLACED THEM. INSTEAD START A NEW REPLY WITH THE WORDS "CHANGE BET(S)" AT THE BEGINNING OF THE POST

This will help me in keeping up with bet placement and changes without becoming an accountant and referee.

KCWolfman
09-21-2004, 06:33 PM
This week's stats (oh, and the view is nice from up here - Thanks for giving it up, SNR)


KCWolfman 16,958
Coogs 15,200
Stinger 13,700
KC Dan 13,460
OldTownChief 12,560
headsnap 12,500
Swanman 12,500
morphius 11,540
Hoover 11,200
UTChief 11,200
Rain Man 10,776
chi3fs 10,054
beavis 10,000
CASHMAN 10,000
David. 10,000
JBret 10,000
Marsary 10,000
mcan 10,000
Rausch 10,000
Rukdafaidas 10,000
truebigdog 10,000
bunnytrdr 9,990
Nzoner 338 9,900
lil_momma 9,850
Vlad 9,600
bkkcoh 9,550
ENDelt260 9,470
Bwana 9,450
Mohillbilly 9,300
Amnorix 9,100
BigRedChief 8,000
Lord Bestyle 8,000
Dartgod 7,750
cdcox 7,680
Chiefnj 7,651
jspchief 7,590
KS Smitty 7,500
Otter 7,250
Bill Lundberg 6,900
BIG DADDY 6,750
stumppy 6,414
Phobia 6,340
SNR 6,321
LVNHACK 5,775
Iowanian 5,650
Straight, No Chaser 5,515
kcnut 5,000
Saulbadguy 4,000
patteeu 2,900
the Talking Can 2,770
Old Codger 2,698
DaKCMan AP 2,425


Mark M - Busted

DaKCMan AP
09-22-2004, 06:49 AM
Do or die...

NO +7 $1000
Philly -4.5 $1425

Swanman
09-22-2004, 07:09 AM
TEN -6 1,000
NO +7 500
PHI -4.5 2,500
GB +6 500
SEA -11 500

Coogs
09-22-2004, 08:31 AM
Texans +8 $4000
Texans/Chiefs UNDER 47.5 $4000
Steelers +1 $500
Packers +6 $500

Stinger
09-22-2004, 08:54 AM
Colts -6 ($1000)
Balitmore -3 ($1500)
Tenn. - 6 ($1000)
Eagles - 4.5 ($5000)
Pittsburg +1 ($1000)
Cardinals +450 money ($500)
Chicago +375 money ($500)
49er's +475 money ($500)

MOhillbilly
09-22-2004, 09:18 AM
KC/Houston under 47.5-$2500
Cards/Falcons over 42.5-$1000
Chi/Vikings under 44.5-$800
Saints +7-$1000
Bolts/Donks over 47-$1000
GB/Colts under 48.5-$1000
GB +6-$1000

Coogs
09-22-2004, 02:15 PM
Wolfman,

Would you please cancel my....

Steelers +1 $500


...wager. I forgot Rothlesberger was starting his first game. I'd rather pass on the Steelers for a while.

Saulbadguy
09-22-2004, 05:38 PM
Thats it.

Chiefs -8 $4,000

BTW, Thanks Russ and BIG_DADDY

Iowanian
09-22-2004, 08:32 PM
Bolts +10 750
Jax +6 750
Az +10 500
KC/Hou Under 47.5 (chiefs light it up ladies) 1500
Phi -4.5 2000

Rain Man
09-22-2004, 11:01 PM
$4,000 - Falcons -600 Moneyline
$1,000 - Bengals +3
$2,000 - Titans -260 Moneyline
$2,500 - Eagles -210 Moneyline
$1,276 - Chargers +10

stumppy
09-23-2004, 01:22 PM
Eagles( -4.5 ) 2000
Steelers ( +1 ) 2000

ENDelt260
09-23-2004, 03:54 PM
Eagles -4.5 $200
Steelers +1 $500

KC Dan
09-23-2004, 04:40 PM
Eagles -4.5 $5,000
Chiefs - 8 $2,000 (Homer Bet)
Titans -6 $2,000

Calcountry
09-23-2004, 07:15 PM
Lions +4.5 ----------- 800
Cincinnati +3 -------- 1000
Miami-1 ----------------300
Bucs +3 -------------- 3000

Lord Bestyle
09-23-2004, 08:24 PM
PHI -4.5 $3000
KC/HOU Under $1000
PIT+1 $2000
SEA -11 $1000
TB/OAK Under $1000

(sorry 'bout last week, still new at this)

Logical
09-23-2004, 08:47 PM
Chicago +9 $400

morphius
09-23-2004, 09:01 PM
I'm not comfortable at all with this weeks bets, but since it's only play money...

Eagles -4.5 $2000
San Diego +10 $500
Browns +2.5 $1000
StL NO Under 47.5 $500

OldTownChief
09-23-2004, 09:58 PM
Eagles -4.5 $200
Card's/Falcons Over 42.5 $200
Ravens/Bengals Over $200
NYG -2.5 $200

Nzoner
09-23-2004, 10:02 PM
Falcons -10 $200
Ravens Under $300
Vikings -9 $300
G-Men Under $200
Titans Under $300
Dolphins Under $200
Seahawks -11 $300
Raiders Under $300
Lions Money $200

Chiefnj
09-24-2004, 08:04 AM
Atlanta MONEY $2,000
Seahawks MONEY $2,000
Texans +8 $500
Pitt/Miami UNDER 34 $500
Titans/Jags UNDER 35 $500

Otter
09-24-2004, 08:55 AM
Colts (-6) $1000
Texans (+8) $5000

patteeu
09-24-2004, 10:41 AM
Chargers Money +450 $2,900

I'm probably getting out, but if not I'm getting back in.

BigRedChief
09-24-2004, 11:57 AM
Eagles( -4.5 ) 2000

BIG_DADDY
09-24-2004, 12:47 PM
Cleveland +135 2k
Squeelers +1 2k

bkkcoh
09-24-2004, 03:31 PM
Chargers $500 +450
TB $500 +160

KCWolfman
09-24-2004, 06:52 PM
Wolfman,

Would you please cancel my....

Steelers +1 $500


...wager. I forgot Rothlesberger was starting his first game. I'd rather pass on the Steelers for a while.
Done

KCWolfman
09-24-2004, 07:01 PM
PHI -4.5 $3000
KC/HOU Under $1000
PIT+1 $2000
SEA -11 $1000
TB/OAK Under $1000

(sorry 'bout last week, still new at this)
No problem.

Bwana
09-24-2004, 07:02 PM
Eagles -4.5 $5000

Bwana
09-24-2004, 07:04 PM
Hate to do this but Texans +8 4450

KCWolfman
09-24-2004, 07:10 PM
Chargers Money +450 $2,900

I'm probably getting out, but if not I'm getting back in.
and how

KCWolfman
09-24-2004, 07:13 PM
Hate to do this but Texans +8 4450
to here

Ari Chi3fs
09-25-2004, 06:44 AM
http://home.earthlink.net/~kcwolfman/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/sfo.gif +11 $1000

http://home.earthlink.net/~kcwolfman/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderpictures/was.gif -1 $2000

cdcox
09-25-2004, 10:44 AM
Bengals +3 $500
Dolphins -1 $500
Eagles -4.5 $500
Indy -6 $500

Straight, No Chaser
09-25-2004, 12:01 PM
Tennesee -6 --1000
Seattle MONEY --2000
DET/PHI over --500
KC MONEY --500

UTChief
09-25-2004, 03:04 PM
PHI -4.5 $5,000.00
PHI money $5,000.00
KC/HOU under 47.5 $1,200.00

Amnorix
09-25-2004, 09:14 PM
Bengals +3 ($1,000)
Texans +8 ($2,000)
Titans -6 ($2,000)
Saints +7 ($2,000)
Iggles -4.5 ($1,000)
Niners +11 ($1,000)
Bolts +10 ($1,000)

cdcox
09-25-2004, 09:36 PM
I want to recind the Miami bet since the game is on hold. I'll place it again when the game is rescheduled if I still want that bet.

the Talking Can
09-25-2004, 09:47 PM
Money line

Saints +240 $2770


I want to put it on the the Texans, but I just can't bet against my team. Real money.....that would be different.

SNR
09-25-2004, 10:43 PM
2000 on New Orleans MONEY
2000 on Chicago MONEY
2000 on Green Bay MONEY

Earthling
09-26-2004, 02:22 AM
NEW BETS

Az money line $200
Bengals money line $200
Bengals +3 $200
Chicago money line $200
Chicago +9 $200
Jacksonville money line $200
NO money line $200
NO +7 $200
Detroit money line $200
Detroit +4.5 $200
Chargers money line $200

jspchief
09-26-2004, 07:21 AM
Min -9, 500
Min over 44.5, 1000
Cle +2.5, 500
SD +10, 500
Ind -6, 500
Sea -11, 500
Sea Over 43.5, 500
Det over 44, 1000
KC over 47.5, 1000
KC money, 1000

KCWolfman
09-26-2004, 08:09 AM
Min -9, 500
Min over 44.5, 1000
Cle +2.5, 500
SD +10, 500
Ind -6, 500
Sea -11, 500
Sea Over 43.5, 500
Det over 44, 1000
KC over 47.5, 1000
KC money, 1000
To here,

My bets:

Vikings 1958
Vikings money - 5000
Titans money - 5000
Phi - 5000


And now - OFF TO THE GAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

lil_momma
09-26-2004, 09:13 AM
Ravens -3 $1000
Titans -6 $500
Eagles -4.5 $1000
Bucs +3 $500

Coogs
09-26-2004, 09:49 AM
I want to put it on the the Texans, but I just can't bet against my team. Real money.....that would be different.

With the points, it is not like you are really betting against the Chiefs. Now if the Chiefs were 8 point underdogs, and you take the Texans.... well that is a different story. :shake:

headsnap
09-26-2004, 10:36 AM
Chiefs/Texicans OVER 47.5 $1000
Chiefs -8 $500
Chargers +10 $1000

Hoover
09-26-2004, 10:40 AM
Cards +10 ($500)
Ravens -3 ($500)
Chiefs Over 47.5 ($500)
Texans +8 ($500)
Saints +7 ($5000)
Bolts +10 ($1000)
Green Bay Over 48.5 ($2500)

Amnorix
09-26-2004, 02:48 PM
Additional bet:

Miami -1 ($500)

morphius
09-26-2004, 02:50 PM
How did I not make a bet on the over with the Colts and Packers.

Hoover
09-26-2004, 03:33 PM
Raiders -3 ($1000)
Cowboys +1 ($1000)
Cowboys Over 35 ($1000)

marsaray
09-26-2004, 06:07 PM
Raiders1000 Cowboys1000

KCWolfman
09-26-2004, 09:18 PM
Raiders1000 Cowboys1000
To here

Coogs
09-27-2004, 05:49 AM
What happened to the $5000 bet on the Bucs someone here made last night? It seems to be missing this morning. :shrug:

Wasn't me either.

the Talking Can
09-27-2004, 08:03 AM
With the points, it is not like you are really betting against the Chiefs. Now if the Chiefs were 8 point underdogs, and you take the Texans.... well that is a different story. :shake:

I was thinking about the money line.

Coogs
09-27-2004, 11:37 AM
I was thinking about the money line.

Then I understand your delima. I couldn't do that either.

Nzoner
09-27-2004, 02:04 PM
$400 under Dallas

Dartgod
09-27-2004, 04:48 PM
$2000 - 'Skins (-1)

Coogs
09-27-2004, 05:30 PM
Redskins -1 $2500

Hoover
09-28-2004, 06:45 AM
I had a nice week

I made 10 best, 8 Wins, 1 loss, 1 push

Coogs
09-28-2004, 11:47 AM
What happened to the $5000 bet on the Bucs someone here made last night? It seems to be missing this morning. :shrug:

Wasn't me either.

I'm still curious as to what happened to the $5000 bet someone posted on the Buc's. I know it was there, because I was going to bet $5000 grand on the Raiders, but decided against it because of the person who had bet on the Buc's. I didn't want a $10,000 "swing" in the standings on one game.

I also know the bet was there "after" the game started. I logged on to the thread 15 minutes or so into the game, and it was still there.

Waiting for a reply....

Hoover
09-28-2004, 12:46 PM
I'm still curious as to what happened to the $5000 bet someone posted on the Buc's. I know it was there, because I was going to bet $5000 grand on the Raiders, but decided against it because of the person who had bet on the Buc's. I didn't want a $10,000 "swing" in the standings on one game.

I also know the bet was there "after" the game started. I logged on to the thread 15 minutes or so into the game, and it was still there.

Waiting for a reply....
So what is your ending total after this week Coogs?

hoover is coming for you!

I will not fade like last year....Well Maybe

Coogs
09-28-2004, 12:55 PM
So what is your ending total after this week Coogs?

hoover is coming for you!

I will not fade like last year....Well Maybe

I won $5000 this weekend, so I should be just over $20,000.

But I have some issues with the game after this weekend Hoover. There seems to be some cheating going on, as a $5000 bet on Tampa Bay disappeared sometime Sunday night after the game started, or Monday morning sometime. I can not prove it was there, but I saw it on at least three occasions Sunday night. I stopped by to see how everyone was doing, and debated betting on the Oakland/Tampa game. So I was in this thread at least three times late Sunday afternoon, and saw the $5000 bet.

Even though this is just a game, I am not sure I want to play if it is not on the up and up. It is just the principal of the thing, if you know what I mean.

Hoover
09-28-2004, 01:07 PM
I won $5000 this weekend, so I should be just over $20,000.

But I have some issues with the game after this weekend Hoover. There seems to be some cheating going on, as a $5000 bet on Tampa Bay disappeared sometime Sunday night after the game started, or Monday morning sometime. I can not prove it was there, but I saw it on at least three occasions Sunday night. I stopped by to see how everyone was doing, and debated betting on the Oakland/Tampa game. So I was in this thread at least three times late Sunday afternoon, and saw the $5000 bet.

Even though this is just a game, I am not sure I want to play if it is not on the up and up. It is just the principal of the thing, if you know what I mean.
I'm with ya 100%

I know its just a game, so I get even more pissed when someone pulls that crap. I wish I could back you up but I can't, I placed my bets without looking at other peoples bets.

I think I should be a little over 20 K as well

KCWolfman
09-28-2004, 02:20 PM
I'm still curious as to what happened to the $5000 bet someone posted on the Buc's. I know it was there, because I was going to bet $5000 grand on the Raiders, but decided against it because of the person who had bet on the Buc's. I didn't want a $10,000 "swing" in the standings on one game.

I also know the bet was there "after" the game started. I logged on to the thread 15 minutes or so into the game, and it was still there.

Waiting for a reply....
Coogs, I will check posts. The only people who can delete posts are me and the other moderators. Since I have the only capability to move the bets to the website, I am assuming you mean me (especially regarding the totals). I updated the board last night, but it was at the end of the game as I was at the Delaney function and did not have access to a PC until after 10:00pm or thereabouts.

I placed my bets but did not delete any posts or remove any bets from the board. For future reference, I can take a date stamped image (jpeg) from the board before kickoffs showing bets. You can also quote my bets to stamp them if you would like - any altering of your posts would have my name attached.

For this issue I can tell you I did not delete bets after the fact. I don't know who did, if it occurred.

KCWolfman
09-28-2004, 02:22 PM
Coogs, there is no change in the post count for this thread that I can see.

Again, I recommend you quote the bets in the future of all moderators. That will make a second statement for the same bet that cannot be altered.

Coogs
09-28-2004, 02:29 PM
Coogs, there is no change in the post count for this thread that I can see.

Again, I recommend you quote the bets in the future of all moderators. That will make a second statement for the same bet that cannot be altered.

KCWolfman,

I know who made the bet. I know it is gone. I know it left sometime between the middle of the first quarter and Monday morning. If that person decides to fess up, I would feel better about playing in this game. If not, I may still play.... but then again maybe not. I'll just have to see.

But I will not divulge who it was. They know who it was, and they know that I know. I'll probably loose a bit of respect for that person, but knowing that they know that I know is enough for me.

Amnorix
09-28-2004, 03:25 PM
KCWolfman,

I know who made the bet. I know it is gone. I know it left sometime between the middle of the first quarter and Monday morning. If that person decides to fess up, I would feel better about playing in this game. If not, I may still play.... but then again maybe not. I'll just have to see.

But I will not divulge who it was. They know who it was, and they know that I know. I'll probably loose a bit of respect for that person, but knowing that they know that I know is enough for me.

I'm reluctant to say anything, but maybe this will help what I *think* might be a bit of a communication gap...

Coogs -- just for perfect clarity -- are you saying that a post was DELETED, or are you saying that a post was EDITED??

Otter
09-28-2004, 06:48 PM
Why does shit always have to a freaking soap opera around here?

Coogs
09-29-2004, 07:30 AM
I'm reluctant to say anything, but maybe this will help what I *think* might be a bit of a communication gap...

Coogs -- just for perfect clarity -- are you saying that a post was DELETED, or are you saying that a post was EDITED??

DELETED

There was a post from one of the contestants made somewhere around 6:00 PM Sunday night, give or take a bit of time. All the post said was...

Bucc's +3 $5000


.... or something pretty close to that. I was on the thread three times between 6:00 PM and 8:00 PM, give or take a little bit. I saw the post every one of those times.


Monday morning when I checked the thread, the post was missing.


Can I prove it was there? No. But I know it was there. Copying that persons bets for future reference will not do any good, as it will probably not happen again.

Point is, it happened once. It is like one of the players getting a $5000 mulligan. And even though this is just a game, it makes the game not fair. I'm sure everyone else who is playing would like to have an extra $5000 added to their total too.

Coogs - really dissappointed in this turn of events.

patteeu
09-29-2004, 08:26 AM
If I can't get my $5,000 bet on the Chiefs/Carolina moneyline back, then I'm done with this game.

Hoover
09-29-2004, 09:18 AM
Coogs,

If your so pissed just call the dude out.

I don't like people cheating, and its stupid to do so in a game with only bragging rights.

So call the dude out or drop it.

Coogs
09-29-2004, 09:28 AM
Coogs,

If your so pissed just call the dude out.

I don't like people cheating, and its stupid to do so in a game with only bragging rights.

So call the dude out or drop it.

I'm going to drop it as calling the person out would do no good. I'm not pissed. In fact, I wasn't going to post on this this morning, but Amnorix asked the question. I was just tying to explain the situation.

patteeu
09-29-2004, 09:39 AM
I'm serious. I'm done with this game if I don't get a refund.

Amnorix
09-29-2004, 09:58 AM
I'm serious. I'm done with this game if I don't get a refund.

No worries there. Stick a fork in ya, you're definitely done... :):p

morphius
09-29-2004, 10:12 AM
The thing that is odd, is that if someone would have edited thier post we would see a line saying that the post was edited, same thing if it was deleted.

Very odd.

BIG_DADDY
09-29-2004, 10:25 AM
KCWolfman,

I know who made the bet. I know it is gone. I know it left sometime between the middle of the first quarter and Monday morning. If that person decides to fess up, I would feel better about playing in this game. If not, I may still play.... but then again maybe not. I'll just have to see.

But I will not divulge who it was. They know who it was, and they know that I know. I'll probably loose a bit of respect for that person, but knowing that they know that I know is enough for me.

I know lil momma thought she saw a bet as well. All the years we have done this and we have never had this type of accusation before so I need to figure out how to handle two things. How to deal with this and how to make sure it never happens again. I suppose Russ and myself could step aside so nobody thinks the system is manipulated, I would hate to do that but we can if we must. I could also copy the gambling thread just before games start on sunday morning, Sunday evening and Monday night and have a 3rd person do that as well, maybe Coogs. I am open to suggestions. This has been a blast in the past I would hate to have a bunch of drama in the future. I am open to any suggestions.

BigRedChief
09-29-2004, 11:06 AM
As a first timer I don't see the need for the drama. You want to cheat to win in a non money bet fun game go for it. Doesn't bother me. It's a reflection on your charecter but ooohhhweelllll.... If you know someone cheated turn their butts in if you feel strongly about it. It doesnt have to be public.

I have been the admin of bb's in the past and I can tell you very easily if a post was deleted or altered and who did it. Now I don't know if that is the case here or not.

BIG_DADDY
09-29-2004, 11:11 AM
As a first timer I don't see the need for the drama. You want to cheat to win in a non money bet fun game go for it. Doesn't bother me. It's a reflection on your charecter but ooohhhweelllll.... If you know someone cheated turn their butts in if you feel strongly about it. It doesnt have to be public.

I have been the admin of bb's in the past and I can tell you very easily if a post was deleted or altered and who did it. Now I don't know if that is the case here or not.

I am not a moderator so I can't see sh*t. I totally trust Russ but will ask another moderator to look if it helps. I think my idea covers this problem in the future it's dealing with this present situation that I need to resolve.

patteeu
09-29-2004, 12:33 PM
I know lil momma thought she saw a bet as well. All the years we have done this and we have never had this type of accusation before so I need to figure out how to handle two things. How to deal with this and how to make sure it never happens again. I suppose Russ and myself could step aside so nobody thinks the system is manipulated, I would hate to do that but we can if we must. I could also copy the gambling thread just before games start on sunday morning, Sunday evening and Monday night and have a 3rd person do that as well, maybe Coogs. I am open to suggestions. This has been a blast in the past I would hate to have a bunch of drama in the future. I am open to any suggestions.

As someone who won't be affected this season (I'm broke), I suggest that you keep things the way they are. It's not like there is real money involved. Let the honor system and the threat of being caught cheating take care of things. I see no reason for you and Wolfman to make things more complicated for yourselves than necessary. IIRC, Coogs wasn't asking for any administrative changes.

You should also check out Taco's vBookie system at OrangeMane. It might be a way to reduce your workload if you do this again in the future and it would also fix this type of "phantom bet" problem.

Either way, thanks to both you and Wolfman for the game.

Iowanian
09-29-2004, 01:27 PM
wasn't me.........no net access from friday through late sunday night.

that said.........I don't see that any totals have been added.

If someone cheated, on a fun-only game...you suk baows.

Chiefnj
09-29-2004, 01:44 PM
Cheating with imaginary money?? Why bother.

BIG_DADDY
09-29-2004, 01:49 PM
I think we have this resolved moving forward. I will make a copy just before games so if your really worried about it check 5 minutes before the game. If you can't do that I would accept a PM stating your bet was made on the thread. I highly doubt we will ever have an issue though we haven't for years.

KC Dan
09-29-2004, 02:04 PM
Who the hell would bet on the Bucs for $5000 anyway. If he/she is that stupid then they deserve to be called out into the open. IMHO

the Talking Can
09-29-2004, 02:42 PM
this thread is worthless without ratting on the dirty rotten cheater...