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Hammock Parties 03-02-2007 05:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania
Trust me, I know why you are looking for other things to use aside from playoff wins.
You must feels so proud of that one playoff win. That's SO MUCH to hang your hat on. DENVER > KANSAS CITY!!! UNTIL THE END OF TIME!

Mile High Mania 03-02-2007 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by GoChiefs
You must feels so proud of that one playoff win. That's SO MUCH to hang your hat on. DENVER > KANSAS CITY!!! UNTIL THE END OF TIME!
It's more than just the one playoff win, tard. KC has had so many more disappointing regular season outcomes than Denver since 1998. It's more than just that 1 win...

Again, I'm not wasting much time typing to you b/c it's a wasted exercise.

Garcia Bronco 03-02-2007 05:06 PM
Since 1998 we have 4 playoff wins.

Hammock Parties 03-02-2007 05:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania
It's more than just the one playoff win, tard. KC has had so many more disappointing regular season outcomes than Denver since 1998. It's more than just that 1 win...

Again, I'm not wasting much time typing to you b/c it's a wasted exercise.
I feel the same way. Oh well, whatever. Eventually the Chiefs WILL win a Super Bowl, and then you'll have MORE bullshit for us. :rolleyes:

Halfcan 03-02-2007 05:07 PM
I love how everyone throws it in Marino's face he never got a ring. Everyone of you would kill to have him on your team. He was the best of his generation-he owns every record-and if not for a leg injury-he would have put the records up there where even Brett couldn't touch them.

Halfcan 03-02-2007 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco
Since 1998 we have 4 playoff wins.
Wow-do you feel better now??

Mile High Mania 03-02-2007 05:10 PM
I think Marino was greatness, but he's not in my top 3... he's 4.

Garcia Bronco 03-02-2007 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Halfcan
I love how everyone throws it in Marino's face he never got a ring. Everyone of you would kill to have him on your team. He was the best of his generation-he owns every record-and if not for a leg injury-he would have put the records up there where even Brett couldn't touch them.
He doesn't own most WINS...which is the bottom line.

Valiant 03-02-2007 06:30 PM
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Originally Posted by pikesome
But you could easily attack Manning's accomplishments by pointing out the way the PI rules have changed, the way his gyrations don't seem to get called, the way QB pressure rules have changed, as well as his receivers aren't chopped liver by any mesure. Manning is real, real good, no doubt about that but I'd still rather have Montana.


Or maybe Peyton is that good and makes the other players play better.. The guy is called the Field Marshall for a reason, his passes are money and the whole laser rocket arm thing... :)

Valiant 03-02-2007 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania
There's great debate for about 5 QBs over the history of the NFL to be tagged as the best ever. But, the bottom line is that I feel it's really tough to compare QBs that span 20 years... much harder to compare QBs from the 40's to the 90s.

The nut of it is, take the consensus best 5 ever and there are always 2 names at the top... Elway & Montana, either order.

It's fun bar talk though.

Then there is the stats of Elway before and with Terrel Davis... Look at his TD/INT ratio with TD carrying that team and then before..
Honestly though Elway is a great QB, especially agianst the Chiefs..



Or maybe he is just a system QB from the Denver Oline scheme... :p

Florida_Bronco 03-03-2007 03:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Mile High Mania
Right. And, you were what... 4 when those games were played?

Anyway, if it were someone other than you, I'd play this game... but, I'm wasting time with you.
Fatass wasn't even living in America during that time, nor did he even know what football was then, yet he likes to talk like he knows something about that era.

Remember man, consider the source.

Florida_Bronco 03-03-2007 03:57 AM
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Originally Posted by chagrin
WHAT?

You are saying that Joe Montana never had to carry his team? You're nuts dude. Remember the Super Bowl against Cincy, the second one? Wow, you've got to put your bias aside - Yes Elway is one of the best ever, but not THE best ever. When people say Joe Montana had the best team because of the salary cap thing is totally bogus, the only Ring they ever paid for was the one Steve Young won against San Diego. Jerry Rice aside, who else on that team was the best at their position during his career by the way? What, Roger Craig? Please dude, you've got to come stronger than that.
You got to come alot stronger than that, quoting one game where Montana carried his team, while Elway carried the Broncos for multiple seasons.

Take a look at the 49er's rosters from the Montana years, there wasn't a more talented and complete team in the NFL. Just for kicks, let's assume that you are the GM of the 49er's in their dynasty years, and you have the choice of having John Elway or Joe Montana...who would you pick?


...thought so.

Mile High Mania 03-03-2007 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Valiant
Then there is the stats of Elway before and with Terrel Davis... Look at his TD/INT ratio with TD carrying that team and then before..
Honestly though Elway is a great QB, especially agianst the Chiefs..



Or maybe he is just a system QB from the Denver Oline scheme... :p
Well, I point to the coaching change rather than the RB.

Elway's numbers were always good, but they took off after Reeves left.

Halfcan 03-03-2007 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Garcia Bronco
He doesn't own most WINS...which is the bottom line.
Either will Elgay after this year.


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