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Mecca 11-08-2009 08:43 PM

That's funny since this is a shitty year for WR's and rushbackers in the first round...and OT's.

So see rainman that list has to change you can't go reaching for need.

chiefzilla1501 11-08-2009 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat (Post 6246199)
i think the chiefs need to focus on building the foundation of their football team. Get some offensive lineman and passrushers and you'll see how better they'll be. Im telling you. If you add a passrusher you'd be surprised how a position like that could mask other weaknesses on the team.

they have no foundation and its really bad. you know you can talk about safety play all you want and the best safety prospects, whatever, but if this is our foundation going into next season, were screwed i dont care who you throw back there at safety. Even if you throw Polamalu or Reed this team would still be screwed.

This team is not playing that badly on the defensive line. They're mostly holding their ground and giving RBs few lanes to run through.

The Chiefs are getting killed because they're giving up way too many big plays. And that's happening because our Safeties and LBs don't know their gap responsibilities and they take horrendous angles. In the San Diego game, Brown was responsible for almost all of Sproles' big runs. Watch Pittsburgh--you don't throw screens against them because Polamalu is running at the running back like a freight train 1-2 seconds before the QB even releases the ball.

And I disagree. Watch how many plays there are where our safety is 2-3 steps away from making the right play. Our safeties don't make plays. Plays come to them. Think of a single play this year where you saw the safety read the QB's eyes and break up a pass. Think of a single play wher eyou remember the safety getting after the QB on a safety blitz. Think of a single time this season when you remember the safety blowing up a screen play. Reed and Polamalu do those things all the time, 16 games a season.

You can build the foundation around solid players. But you need to have a few playmakers like Polamalu if you ever want to go places. And it's getting harder and harder and harder to find those guys in free agency these days.

Mecca 11-08-2009 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6246209)
I fhistory has any say on the situation, I fully expect us to trade a 2nd round pick for a backup safety, eliminating all value of our Top 5 pick.

Hello James Sanders...since Patrick Chung can step in and start with Merriweather..

If that really happens I won't be a fan of this team anymore.

Shox 11-08-2009 08:44 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 6246200)
Watch a Ravens or Steelers game before spouting this shit off.

Seriously, watch the Pittsburgh game tomorrow. The Steelers looked very shaky on defense without him earlier this season. Surprise, surprise--he comes back and they look dominant again.

But seriously. Watch Polamalu. If you're too lazy, tivo the game and just watch defensive plays. The guy is all over the field. He's lined up as a corner. He's darting after the QB on lots of safety blitzes. He's blowing up screen passes. The Steelers can't do a lot of the same things on defense when he's not there. He's a clear difference maker. Anyone who says otherwise is a COMPLETE idiot.

Exactly my point!!!. They get to roam and freelance because they have a front seven who do their jobs. There whole defensive approach is for them to roam and make plays. The Chiefs are not even close to this kind of talent in the front 7, therefore you could put Polamalu or Reed in a Chief uniform and they would become slightly above average safties.

Football is a team sport and it all starts upfront.
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OnTheWarpath15 11-08-2009 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6246214)
Hello James Sanders...since Patrick Chung can step in and start with Merriweather..

If that really happens I won't be a fan of this team anymore.

Sanders. Good call.

milkman 11-08-2009 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by RedThat (Post 6246088)
And why didnt the Chiefs win those years?

The better team to look at is the 90s Chiefs.

One of the top two or O-Lines in the league, a playmaker on D in DT, but not a single other playmaker on the offensive side of the ball, except in Montana's single playoff year with the Chiefs.

4th best record among teams in the 90s, yet bounced in the first round in the playofss, except again, in the Montana year.

They averaged about 11 points a game on those playoff games.

Why?

Not a single ****ing playmaker.

The Dick Chiefs did have a playmaker in Priest.

Mecca 11-08-2009 08:45 PM

You don't get to pick the year the players happen to be available.

2 awesome safety prospects are in the draft this year, why would you pass on them to take a mediocre LB prospect?

ChiefsCountry 11-08-2009 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 6246209)
I fully expect us to trade a 2nd round pick for a backup safety, eliminating all value of our Top 5 pick.

Then how are we going to pick Jordan Shipley to be Wes Welker.

WildTurkey 11-08-2009 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Shox (Post 6246215)
Exactly my point!!!. They get to roam and freelance because they have a front seven who do their jobs. There whole defensive approach is for them to roam and make plays. The Chiefs are not even close to this kind of talent in the front 7, therefore you could put Polamalu or Reed in a Chief uniform and they would become slightly above average safties.

Football is a team sport and it all starts upfront.
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I disagree they make plays because they very very talented..... you add playmakers regardless of position... this upcoming year the best playmaking talent early in the first is at the safety position

Shox 11-08-2009 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6246218)
The better team to look at is the 90s Chiefs.

One of the top two or O-Lines in the league, a playmaker on D in DT, but not a single other playmaker on the offensive side of the ball, except in Montana's single playoff year with the Chiefs.

4th best record among teams in the 90s, yet bounced in the first round in the playofss, except again, in the Montana year.

They averaged about 11 points a game on those playoff games.

Why?

Not a single ****ing playmaker.

The Dick Chiefs did have a playmaker in Priest.

But at least they made the playoffs because of that Oline......you win up front you have a chance, you lose up front and all the playmakers in the world is not going to help.
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ChiefsCountry 11-08-2009 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6246219)
You don't get to pick the year the players happen to be available.

2 awesome safety prospects are in the draft this year, why would you pass on them to take a mediocre LB prospect?

Like last year with the QBs.

Rain Man 11-08-2009 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by luv (Post 6246207)
No TE in there anywhere?

Oh. Yeah. I should've had TE in there. And HB.

My god. It would have been easier to make a list of positions we don't need.

Mecca 11-08-2009 08:48 PM

"Atleast they made the playoffs"

The battle cry of a loser fan.

Mecca 11-08-2009 08:49 PM

Look I'm a huge CJ Spiller fan but I'm not going to pimp him to be the Chiefs pick because it doesn't make sense.

Rain Man 11-08-2009 08:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 6246210)
That's funny since this is a shitty year for WR's and rushbackers in the first round...and OT's.

So see rainman that list has to change you can't go reaching for need.

As a clarification, my list had nothing to do with the talent of this year's draft class. I'm just talking about the Chiefs' needs.


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