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Mecca 11-10-2009 08:24 PM

You have an odd definition of pocket presence because Cassel's is awful.

BossChief 11-10-2009 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 6252409)
No pocket presence???

The guy has avoided more sacks than Manning will be hurried all year. If not for his pocket presence and mobility... he would be setting records for being sacked the most in a single season.

As it stands, he is on pace to be sacked 10 fewer times than the current record.




Compare the weapons each has. Also, there was a point last night were they showed Rogers getting 5.4 ****ing seconds to find his receiver and throw. Matt is generally under pressure from the moment the ball is snapped.

Also, he has had 3 years of bench time where he threw all of 39 passes.



I could be wrong but those dumpoffs on 3rd and 19 look like designed plays and I'm not the only one to say that.

Even if it is his decision, the majority of the time he is throwing them out of necessity because he has defenders crawling up his ass.

Comparing Cassel to PM right now is not good for you.

PMs line is not as good as you make it seem to be, his release and elite level of preparation let him expose teams when they blitz..making teams shy away from doing so. That takes the pressure off the oline.

Cassel would be helping in this area if he was better prepared and had better chemistry with his receivers. Hopefully, that comes in time.

When Cassel gets blitzed, he stops looking at his receivers and looks at the rush. You will notice that if you watch for it for now on.

stevieray 11-10-2009 08:34 PM

...every WR is wide open every play...2 seconds after the snap...:rolleyes:

...and how many different WR's has this guy had to throw to without any substantive practice for timing and rythym other than Bowe and Bradley? even these two have missed practice and playing time..as well as Cassel has from injury...

Wade
Ingram
Lelie
Chambers

no time
no timing
no success

dude has how many rushing yards due to running for his life?

I'm reminded of Green's first season due to int's....most people ate crow on that one.

stevieray 11-10-2009 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6252421)

When Cassel gets blitzed, he stops looking at his receivers and looks at the rush. You will notice that if you watch for it for now on.

ya, he hasn't taken any hits while releasing the ball.

pr_capone 11-10-2009 08:47 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief (Post 6252421)
Comparing Cassel to PM right now is not good for you.

PMs line is not as good as you make it seem to be, his release and elite level of preparation let him expose teams when they blitz..making teams shy away from doing so. That takes the pressure off the oline.

Cassel would be helping in this area if he was better prepared and had better chemistry with his receivers. Hopefully, that comes in time.

When Cassel gets blitzed, he stops looking at his receivers and looks at the rush. You will notice that if you watch for it for now on.

Can you read?

I'm not comparing Cassel to Manning.

I said

CASSEL HAS AVOIDED MORE SACKS THAN MANNING WILL BE HURRIED ALL YEAR.

How in the living **** is that comparing the two?

**** me! My special ed students have better reading comprehension than you do.

soundmind 11-10-2009 09:04 PM

Honestly, at this point you can't rag on Cassel for a lot. Have some throws been arrant of hope? Yes, admittedly so, but he's also made quite a few throws that a lot of QBs don't make, and he hasn't been careless. Watching these games, it's obvious that when we make plays, it's because something spectacular happens, not because everything worked as designed.

This horrendous offensive line is the obvious focal point for me. Our offense is not really on the offensive. We aren't making calculated movements. It all looks like a reaction to whatever happens to them instead. Quit looking around, and get better at what you do. The defense should be reacting to you, not the other way around. We look like a team full of a lot of uncertainty.

With time, could Cassel be as accurate as anyone? We have yet to see what that looks like over any length of time (by which I mean more than one play, he's stuck in a rhythm of scared shitless). He makes every throw under duress. Though I would quickly agree that the completion percentage is suck, and the yard per attempt is just ugly. I would like to see the stat on hurries, or passing attempts made outside the pocket, which only really references about....what 95% of his attempts? Those projected stats have him hitting the turf by way of sack 60+ times....good god.

Everyone has to get better. It's cliche but it's true. I just think we could see a different QB if he had some protection and a receiver or two that know how to get open. I'm also changing my mind some on Haley's role and his ability to handle it all. HE NEEDS an Offensive Coordinator so he can do his job as Head Coach. I really feel like a few things this year, and I stress a few, have seemed like grasping at straws. I like that he's emotional, but he needs to be calculated.

Chiefnj2 11-10-2009 09:15 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman (Post 6252398)
That ball was a rainbow, and Chambers had to come to a virtual stop to make that catch.

Hell, you had time to go take a dump while waiting for it to come down.

completely false. chambers did not have to come close to a stop to make the catch.

stevieray 11-10-2009 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 6252527)
completely false. chambers did not have to come close to a stop to make the catch.

Silly Rabbit, the timing should've been perfect after a few days of practice.

HermanHater 11-10-2009 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by soundmind (Post 6252500)
Honestly, at this point you can't rag on Cassel for a lot. Have some throws been arrant of hope? Yes, admittedly so, but he's also made quite a few throws that a lot of QBs don't make, and he hasn't been careless. Watching these games, it's obvious that when we make plays, it's because something spectacular happens, not because everything worked as designed.

This horrendous offensive line is the obvious focal point for me. Our offense is not really on the offensive. We aren't making calculated movements. It all looks like a reaction to whatever happens to them instead. Quit looking around, and get better at what you do. The defense should be reacting to you, not the other way around. We look like a team full of a lot of uncertainty.

With time, could Cassel be as accurate as anyone? We have yet to see what that looks like over any length of time (by which I mean more than one play, he's stuck in a rhythm of scared shitless). He makes every throw under duress. Though I would quickly agree that the completion percentage is suck, and the yard per attempt is just ugly. I would like to see the stat on hurries, or passing attempts made outside the pocket, which only really references about....what 95% of his attempts? Those projected stats have him hitting the turf by way of sack 60+ times....good god.

Everyone has to get better. It's cliche but it's true. I just think we could see a different QB if he had some protection and a receiver or two that know how to get open. I'm also changing my mind some on Haley's role and his ability to handle it all. HE NEEDS an Offensive Coordinator so he can do his job as Head Coach. I really feel like a few things this year, and I stress a few, have seemed like grasping at straws. I like that he's emotional, but he needs to be calculated.

This. Everyone just chill and lets see what happens. Rome wasnt built in a day. (another cliche)

ChiefsCountry 11-10-2009 09:41 PM

Cassel is nothing but a crappy game manager. Pioli failed on the most important decision even more important than a head coach.

stevieray 11-10-2009 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 6252581)
Cassel is nothing but a crappy game manger. Pioli failed on the most important decision even more important than a head coach.

Cassel :Manger? ChiefsCountry is nothing but a crappy speller.

;)

ChiefsCountry 11-10-2009 09:45 PM

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Originally Posted by stevieray (Post 6252588)
Cassel :Manger? ChiefsCountry is nothing but a crappy speller.

;)

Its freaking Wal-Mart having Christmas stuff out already. :D

notorious 11-10-2009 09:48 PM

When Cassel starts throwing the ball more then 3 yards down the field during the first 56 minutes of the game, we can start making fair comparisons.

Until then, 55% completion on 3 and 4 yard passes sucks.

pr_capone 11-10-2009 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious (Post 6252593)
When Cassel starts throwing the ball more then 3 yards down the field during the first 56 minutes of the game, we can start making fair comparisons.

Until then, 55% completion on 3 and 4 yard passes sucks.

1.2 seconds from snap to being forced to throw the ball sucks more

but of course that should be more than enough time to find a receiver downfield for a nice 23 yard completion.

notorious 11-10-2009 09:59 PM

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Originally Posted by pr_capone (Post 6252605)
1.2 seconds from snap to being forced to throw the ball sucks more

I am not putting it all on him, it's a combination of the team as a whole sucking ass.

There are way too many short passes.

It can't get any worse, so why not take some shots down field? Maybe, just maybe the defense will start to respect the deep passes, thus freeing up our running game a little bit.


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