That's just the inherent polarization of internet discussion. If you're not with me, you're against me...

I think they might have with Jackson and Magee. But you know D-Lineman take alot longer to show progress than pretty much any position on the field.

He got THREE STARTERS with his first two picks. MaGee looks to be a solid role-player. We also got a starting Kicker. Washington has been injured(kind of hard to evaluate him)The other players are second day picks, I didn't expect much out of them in the first place.

ROFL ok hamas what EXACTLY DID pioli do in NE? enlighten us.

3 starters...

An old LB who's done, a QB who is shit and a 5 tech DE with a top 3 pick, color me unimpressed.

A "culture of losing" is a myth. When talented players and coaches are acquired, most teams tend to win.

Talking about fighting a "culture" is what losers do when they're not seeing results. It's a prolonged justification, citing something that is not quantifiable.

We haven't had a "losing culture" in KC; we've had a dog shit talent pool, on the 53 man roster and in the front office.

It's hilarious that the ones bitching about Tyson Jackson are likely the same ones who were saying that Glenn Dorsey needs time to develop because the DL is the toughest position for a rookie.

Question: why couldn't we have seen that improvement THIS YEAR?

It's not about developing with him, it's because he's a 3-4 DE. He could start a dozen consecutive pro bowls and it would still be a bad pick.

Okay, maybe I exaggerate.

A little.

That's because they didn't take Dorsey over Sanchex.


PhilFree:arrow:

It's obviously to much to ask for someone to take a job and actually do a good job right away.

I don't think it's too early to tell at all.

Honestly tell me who we've acquired since February that you think even has the remote possibility of becoming a core player here.

Here's my list:

Succop
Jackson


And Jackson is a case of "I hope" and not, "I think."

The rest have shown nothing to lead someone to believe that they'll be anything more than role players, rotational guys or special teamers - at best.

It doesn't take much, honestly.

Herm found Hali, Page, Pollard, Bowe and made something out of Allen his first two years. And I was sucking him off something fierce.

If Haley and Pioli can't even get ME on my knees.....FAIL!

You do understand there is a difference in taking a 4-3 DT you think can be Warren Sapp that some thought was the drafts best player and taking a guy who is a teens player.

Not to mention lineman in the 4-3 and 3-4 are not the same Dorsey was drafted to be an impact player Jackson will likely never be one.

We're changing the culture.