Half as many tackles, half as many INT's, 2 fewer TD's, 3 fewer passes defensed. Sounds similar.

Remains to be seen, but I suspect his being challenged will help.

Yeah. Like they cut Johnson.
:rolleyes:

9:47
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is not the same rate.

Like GoChiefs is saying...if he can balance out the drops with catches, then fine. But if he has less than 50 catches but still 9 drops, then that's a problem.

Yes, I saw him play inspired football after being walked by the team that drafted him with an infinitely more talented assortment of defensive players around him.

It's hard to say...

So let's get to the root of the issue:

Why only 47 catches?

For one, he was only getting targeted 3-5 times a game over the first half of the season.

Then he missed 4 games.

If you remember, me, among others were pissed that we were running an offense through LJ, Wade and Long and not Bowe.

There were tons of plays that Bowe wasn't even looked at.

49th among WR in targets with 87. 7.25 per game.

He was 3rd in the league in targets in 2008 with 157. 9.81 targets per game.

If he was targeted more, there's no doubt he would have met or exceeded his stats from 2008.

He played very well in Houston... Now he has a chip on his shoulder to prove people wrong...

Matt Cassel

Funny how you ignore the stat I posted for 2008.

And ignore BossChief's post.

And ignore that drops are a subjective stat. What's considered a drop in Kc may not be considered a drop in Houston or New Orleans.

Which is why it's ****ing reeruned to get worked up over.

Holy shit.

You really want to imply that Johnson's gone because of his PLAY?

Had LJ stayed out of trouble, Charles would have never saw the field. ****, he was INACTIVE for a game, that's how much the staff thought of him.

Just like Wade Smith not seeing the field had Goff not gotten hurt.

Or it might also be mindful of the fact that he was disgruntled in year one of a regime change, was a liability in pass coverage and missed far too many tackles.

I'm doing my best not to create a strawman out of this excerpt, but you're making it difficult. Do you really believe losing Pollard BREAKS this franchise?

On this point we agree.

Given their roles... Unless they both show something... I wouldn't at all be surprised to see one or both of them gone from or at least have a reduced role on this team.

Ive said it before, I think Bowe has the potential to be almost identical to TO. The big yardage, the big play ability, the competitor, the consistent lack of concentration drops...lets just hope Haley gets his hooks in him so that he doesnt develop into the same type of cancer. I think he will and like Ive been saying I see Bowe going for over 1250 yards this year with 12 or more touchdowns. That should be about the norm IMO from here on out with the work he seemingly has been putting in to improve.

He is a kid, but a good kid. Just immature.

I'll take the instincts. Put him at SS. But is he really that slow??

I'm mindful of the fact that is was going into his third year of being mis-used.

If Clancy Pendergast wasn't just as incompetent as Gunther, I wonder if we're even having this conversation.

He was a liability in pass coverage because he was constantly asked to play in coverage. It'd be like putting Tamba Hali at MLB. He'd get abused, because he's being asked to do something that doesn't benefit him or the team.






Losing Pollard alone? Of course not.

Treating young players like shit and cutting them when they defend themselves, however, has the potential to become a bigger issue.

I know I'm not the only person that saw a change in attitude in this team after the Pittsburgh game - i.e. the first game after Haley realized he wasn't getting anywhere by ranting, raving and treating players and assistant coaches like shit.




I don't agree. I am enjoying the football talk though.

You can time the kid with a sundial.

For example, Rolando McClain, rookie MLB for the Raiders - and considered slow by most here - had a better 40 time and weighs 70 pounds more.

Derrick Johnson sir. Derrick Johnson.

However big a mistake it was to let Pollard go, it made an impact on the team. It sent a message of how they were going to be doing business at 1 arrowhead drive. It was no longer "Club Herm" and cussing and such was gonna be part off the coaching, as were having higher standards and different motivational techniques.

I find it very assuring that it was taken correctly by the team, as the only one that hasn't been to ALL of the voluntary and mandatory workouts this offseason was Page. The team bought into what they are selling and hopefully that starts to show on the field throughout this year. I cant remember that EVER happening for as long as Ive been emotionally invested into this team. It should not go unnoticed.

Its just too bad they couldn't "make it work" and have had the same message gone over without losing one of our younger ascending players in "the process".