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ToxSocks 01-11-2012 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8285441)
we already have an elite RB you moron

and no superbowl team in memory has had 2 'elite' backs...

You think JC's knee is going last 350+ carries? You wanna bet your running game on it?

htismaqe 01-11-2012 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GordonGekko (Post 8285166)
Shit, I'd take 10-6 every year, and you know making the playoffs that many times in a row you'd luck the fuck out eventually and win the SB. It is a numbers game *moneyball.

That worked in the 90's, didn't it?

Setsuna 01-11-2012 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by the Talking Can (Post 8285441)
we already have an elite RB you moron

and no superbowl team in memory has had 2 'elite' backs...

Damn. Got me on a technicality. I am defeated. Nooooooo!

IDIOT.

htismaqe 01-11-2012 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Setsuna (Post 8285091)
Ok man. Let's just say, Chiefs D is stout as hell. Receivers are leet. You have a sick 2 RB tandem and you have a serviceable QB that limits TO. How is that not a recipe for a Superbowl or a deep playoff team? Don't make me laugh.

And don't even think I'm calling Cassel serviceable.

The Chiefs D is stout as hell. It's not the 2000 Ravens or 2002 Bucs, however.

Those just happen to be the ONLY two teams to win Super Bowls in the last 15 years to win a Super Bowl with an elite QB.

htismaqe 01-11-2012 12:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 8285167)
Yeah. But this is about drafting a RB, not about whether or not we're drafting a QB.

QB is the obvious answer.

But passing up one of the best talents in the draft because our QB isn't there is not how you build a talented team.

It is if you care about winning it all.

If you care about being a "competitor" rather than a "contender", so that you can fill seats, by all means, draft the elite RB.

htismaqe 01-11-2012 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 8285211)
Because there is a ton of uncertainty surrounding our elite back. He's not built to handle 350+ carries. Doing so will drive JC into the ground.

That's even if his surgically repaired knee survives his first season back.

I guess i'm one of the few people who doesn't want to hinge our running game on a bum knee and Jackie Battle.

Why hinge your running game on anything at all? The current NFL all but renders the 1st round RB obsolete. Hell, a couple of teams that are the favorites to win it all don't even HAVE a running game.

ToxSocks 01-11-2012 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8285463)
It is if you care about winning it all.

If you care about being a "competitor" rather than a "contender", so that you can fill seats, by all means, draft the elite RB.

Just go ahead and say it.

You'd prefer the Chiefs to win one game next season in hopes that Barkley falls in our lap. You'd rather see the Chiefs fail miserably next season.

I want a Franchise QB too.

But we can't predict the future. And with this D, and with Berry and Moeaki and Charles returning, sorry, we still won't be in a position to draft first overall next year even WITH Matt Cassel starting.

This team is far too talented to only win 1-2 games next season.

ToxSocks 01-11-2012 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8285469)
Why hinge your running game on anything at all? The current NFL all but renders the 1st round RB obsolete. Hell, a couple of teams that are the favorites to win it all don't even HAVE a running game.

ok.

Outside of having an elite QB, teams have to run the football.

The NFL may be slanted right now, but it ain't THAT slanted.

We just watched the Donkeys dismantle Pitts D this past weekend because their running game opened up the passing game for Tebow.

I'll take Bowe/Breaston/Baldwin one on one any day.

htismaqe 01-11-2012 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 8285472)
Just go ahead and say it.

You'd prefer the Chiefs to win one game next season in hopes that Barkley falls in our lap. You'd rather see the Chiefs fail miserably next season.

I want a Franchise QB too.

But we can't predict the future. And with this D, and with Berry and Moeaki and Charles returning, sorry, we still won't be in a position to draft first overall next year even WITH Matt Cassel starting.

This team is far too talented to only win 1-2 games next season.

Again, you've missed the point.

I don't really CARE what happens next season. It's a lost season, we don't have a QB. If we win 1 game or 8, great, I don't care.

What I do care about is the long-term chances for success.

Drafting Richardson makes next year look more like an 8-win year than a 2-year win for sure.

It also makes the next FIVE years look more like 8-win years than Super Bowl years.

I don't know how else to explain it so that it's clear - we don't have a QB and we're not going to get one this year. However, we need to keep looking.

Drafting a player like Richardson all but guarantees they QUIT looking. We'll spend his entire career looking for the next Cassel or Orton and trying to get by, just the like the Vikings.

Setsuna 01-11-2012 01:02 PM

Who do we draft htis?

htismaqe 01-11-2012 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Setsuna (Post 8285519)
Who do we draft htis?

OT, OG, C, TE, CB, S, ILB, NT...any of those would be fine.

ToxSocks 01-11-2012 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8285498)
Again, you've missed the point.

I don't really CARE what happens next season. It's a lost season, we don't have a QB. If we win 1 game or 8, great, I don't care.

What I do care about is the long-term chances for success.

Drafting Richardson makes next year look more like an 8-win year than a 2-year win for sure.

It also makes the next FIVE years look more like 8-win years than Super Bowl years.

I don't know how else to explain it so that it's clear - we don't have a QB and we're not going to get one this year. However, we need to keep looking.

Drafting a player like Richardson all but guarantees they QUIT looking. We'll spend his entire career looking for the next Cassel or Orton and trying to get by, just the like the Vikings.

mmmm....The Viking signed a future HOF QB to complement AP. Then, not even one year removed, they drafted a 1st rnd QB.

The Jags, Titans and Chargers are also examples of teams who didn't follow that recipe, so your argument isn't very strong.

ToxSocks 01-11-2012 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8285583)
OT, OG, C, TE, CB, S, ILB, NT...any of those would be fine.

Basically, any position that doesn't lead to more points scored, that way offensive failure is almost guaranteed.

We should just cut Charles and let Bowe walk while we're at it. Maybe even dismantle the Defense.

Then there is no way we win more than two games! Success!

htismaqe 01-11-2012 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 8285594)
mmmm....The Viking signed a future HOF QB to complement AP. Then, not even one year removed, they drafted a 1st rnd QB.

The Vikings signed a future HoF QB who almost everybody knew was over-the-hill. They replaced him with someone who was even more spent. They FINALLY drafted a 1st round QB just in time for AP to suffer the worst injury of his career.

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 8285594)
The Jags, Titans and Chargers are also examples of teams who didn't follow that recipe, so your argument isn't very strong.

CJ and MJD's best years are behind them. Neither of them will see a SB with Gabbert or Locker because they waited too long to pull the trigger on the QB.

The Chargers drafted Ryan Matthews AFTER they drafted Phillip Rivers.

My argument holds.

htismaqe 01-11-2012 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 8285605)
Basically, any position that doesn't lead to more points scored, that way offensive failure is almost guaranteed.

We should just cut Charles and let Bowe walk while we're at it. Maybe even dismantle the Defense.

Then there is no way we win more than two games! Success!

If we want to win a Super Bowl WHILE Charles and Bowe are still here, we should do everything in our power to get them a QB.

Putting a 5-8 year bandaid on the problem and pretending it doesn't exist isn't going to help them.


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