It's pretty simple really. Orton was pretty good at pre-snap reads and he could get rid of the ball to avoid a sack if he wasn't in motion. But he was a terrible QB on the move. Tebow was exactly the opposite. Both guys had weaknesses that a D could exploit, and Tebow's style actually made stats like these look worse than they really were. So it's an obvious manipulation of statistics to drag out a list like this and blame the O-Line. Sure, they weren't world beaters but they aren't crap either. This is just more faptastic homer bullshit.

So Scott and Clark said, well our 4 yr/22 million isn't going to get it done. We're out. I guess we might as well throw that at our glaring hole at RT.

I'm also glad we didn't give Manning that kind of money.

I would love to have an incredible QB, but not one at the twilight of his career. In the long run it would have probably hurt us. I get why Denver did it. They had to flush Teabow or become a team that doesn't run a professional offense, which doesn't help land future free agents.

No, they are crap.

Orlando Franklin ****ing sucks. The dude was a swinging gate. Even the idiots on the Mane realize your OL sucks. We pushed you guys around in Week 17.

This has nothing to do with stats. Guys got beat. Your ENTIRE OL graded in the red for the year.

So - Orton made Denver's line look worse but our crappy line only gave up 1 sack the entire time he started for us? :hmmm:

They won't have a QB that gets out of the pocket and buys time with his feet now. They now have a 36 year old QB coming off serious injury behind a shit O-line. Hope the money was worth it, you money-grubbing, douche.

Did you actually watch Orton play for the Broncos last year? Did you already forget his highlight? Dropping the ball and giving it to the Raiders on MNF with a wide open McGahee jogging across his field of vision, waiting for the easy pass that would have been the go-ahead TD. When the pressure was on, he caved. Sure, in Training Camp he looks awesome. When things are going well he can shred a D. He's a decent QB that can be effective. But he played like crap for us to start the season.

Hahahaha....that Barry guy is a dumb****.

Sure, sure, this has nothing to do with stats. That's why you used them to make this argument. I get it. You hate the idea of Denver getting a great QB. It's one of the few things you have to hang your hat on. Last year you could go find a circle jerk thread on here and make fun of Tebow when you got pissed off about how poorly the Chiefs were doing. Now you're worried that Manning might make a big difference in the Bronco Offense. So you've absolutely got to downplay Denver's skill position players and imagine their O-Line as incompetent enough that Manning can't do his thing. No big deal. Keep ****ing that chicken.

Or maybe he played poorly because of poor O-line play? He made our o-line look serviceable in the three games he started and no one thinks they are world beaters, especially with BRich in there. :shrug:

I would say that, as a rookie, it's reasonable to assume that Franklin improved through the season. And so it's true that his pass pro wasn't as good when Orton was in there as when Tebow was in there. Orton definitely shit the bed though. It was pretty bad.

It doesn't. It's about guys flat out getting beat. There's no statistic for that. You'll note your sacks allowed were actually relatively low.

That's because they assigned blame for EIGHT WHOLE SACKS to Tim Tebow alone.

So wait... are we done being pissed about Manning now? I can't keep this board straight... so reactionary. I didn't come here for two days just because everyone's vaginas were all sandy about Manning passing on us.

"It's all because Clark is cheap!"

"Pioli!!! Candy wrappers!! HATRED!!"

There were like 20 threads devoted entirely to whining like teenage girls who are mad at daddy.

Are we not pissed now? Was there someone out there who was so stupid they actually thought Manning was gonna come as some kind of bargain with TWELVE teams pursuing him?

Geezus... okay, so we're NOT pissed now that we didn't drop 5 for 90 on a broken neck QB with nerve damage in his throwing arm? I'll guarantee you the Donks give him a flier on the physical too, because he can't pass it (I doubt he ever will). I'm still not convinced he'll ever play again. I'm glad we passed on him. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. We'll see.

The cost and risk of getting Manning should have been known to anyone with any sense. If you were pissed we missed out on him, there's no reason to stop being pissed now unless you had some pie in the sky fantasy about getting Manning here on a budget. That's your own fault for being naive.

No way in hell Arizona agreed to a 5 for 90 contract. I question the validity of this source.

He did, actually.

The problem you're going to have now is that Franklin is going to be exposed even more. You aren't gonna be running a high school option offense anymore. Manning is going to want to drop back at least 50 percent of the time, and he's gonna want time to chuck it down the field.