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DTLB58 06-19-2012 03:31 PM

[QUOTE=SNR;8688981]Mark Sanchez.

The team's cupboard was bare. Sanchez was a reach, but he had a far higher positional value than Jackson. Because he's, oh I don't know... A ****ING QUARTERBACK. And let's not act like Jackson was considered a sure thing, either. He had a lot of growing up to do as a rookie if he was going to become a premier 5-technique.

It was inexcusable for us to trade for Cassel and not draft Sanchez.[/QUOTE]

You could be right, but I'm betting Sanchez wouldn't be anything special at this point, in fact I'm sure he wouldn't have played in 2 conference championship games.
This team has had not a consistent offensive scheme or good enough staff to coach a franchise QB. They all would have failed.

BigMeatballDave 06-19-2012 03:31 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 8688985)

Oh, and we really shouldn't leave Kyle Orton out of the equation, either. We had a chance to keep him over Cassel this year and we balked. Not much of an upgrade, but he's an upgrade nonetheless.

I'm not sure Orton was an option. He bolted for Dallas. I'm not sure he really wants to start anywhere. He didnt even try.

BigMeatballDave 06-19-2012 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by DTLB58 (Post 8688991)

You could be right, but I'm betting Sanchez wouldn't be anything special at this point, in fact I'm sure he wouldn't have played in 2 conference championship games.
This team has had not a consistent offensive scheme or good enough staff to coach a franchise QB. They all would have failed.

Not the point. You can't look at it like this. You still have to try.

BigMeatballDave 06-19-2012 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by mcaj22 (Post 8688988)
and even besides the Jackson over Sanchez

we have been in position to take plenty of flyers or late round picks with that "boom or bust" potential- Dalton, Ryan Mallet, etc.

It doesnt matter if they suck, it's the principle to at least try and draft a young QB with some sort of upside or grade. Which the Chiefs have avoided completely.

Yep.

And not only that, but they keep handing him the position every season with NO competition.

Messier 06-19-2012 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 8688985)
I'll throw Andy Dalton in there as well even though I was and still am a huge fan of the Jon Baldwin pick.

There's also Peyton Manning.

Oh, and we really shouldn't leave Kyle Orton out of the equation, either. We had a chance to keep him over Cassel this year and we balked. Not much of an upgrade, but he's an upgrade nonetheless.

I think they did want Manning. Manning had his 5 or so teams he wanted to go to and the Chiefs weren't one of them.

Sanchez? Same boat as Cassel.

L.A. Chieffan 06-19-2012 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by whoman69 (Post 8688964)
That's part of your schtick as well.

nope, people on here are just blinded by hate and can't argue with facts

BigMeatballDave 06-19-2012 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by L.A.Chieffan (Post 8689006)
nope, people on here are just blinded by hate and can't argue with facts

Please, list the facts.

loochy 06-19-2012 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8689009)
Please, list the facts.

The facts:

Cassel sucks

ToxSocks 06-19-2012 03:44 PM

"After doing tape study on Matt Cassel, ESPN's Ron Jaworski described him as a "function of the team around him" and a quarterback who struggles to make throws outside the numbers due to "limited arm strength."
"Cassel is at his best in a managed offense that features run personnel, run formations, and the play-action pass game," Jaws said. "Play action primarily gives the quarterback either-or defined reads. Cassel is very good in that scenario. ... Cassel throws the ball better to the inside -- digs, hooks, and throws like that -- than he does to the outside. That's the way it is for quarterbacks with limited arm strength. You give Matt Cassel a solid run game, a good offensive line, room in the pocket to deliver the football comfortably, and he can be a very efficient NFL starter. That's what he is. He's a function of the team around him, and he needs those pieces in place working effectively."

Marcellus 06-19-2012 03:44 PM

It is truly amazing, being sincere here, how CP can have the exact same argument 5,000 times in 5,000 different threads.

The exact same argument, over and over gain.

Messier 06-19-2012 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Dave (Post 8688997)
Yep.

And not only that, but they keep handing him the position every season with NO competition.

This was the first year they handed him the job undeservedly IMO. I was disappointed he's back, but other than Manning there was no one I felt could make a difference at QB for us.

BigMeatballDave 06-19-2012 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 8689012)
"After doing tape study on Matt Cassel, ESPN's Ron Jaworski described him as a "function of the team around him" and a quarterback who struggles to make throws outside the numbers due to "limited arm strength."
"Cassel is at his best in a managed offense that features run personnel, run formations, and the play-action pass game," Jaws said. "Play action primarily gives the quarterback either-or defined reads. Cassel is very good in that scenario. ... Cassel throws the ball better to the inside -- digs, hooks, and throws like that -- than he does to the outside. That's the way it is for quarterbacks with limited arm strength. You give Matt Cassel a solid run game, a good offensive line, room in the pocket to deliver the football comfortably, and he can be a very efficient NFL starter. That's what he is. He's a function of the team around him, and he needs those pieces in place working effectively."

Nailed it.

These QBs don't win SBs.

DTLB58 06-19-2012 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Laz (Post 8688088)
maybe, maybe not ... but normally fans defend their teams even if they don't deserve it. Sort of the definition of "fan"atic.

but around here if you want to be cool then you say 'cassel sucks' in every thread posted.

it's beyond stupid


personally i think that Jaws knows more about judging QB's than all of us put together.

being #22 is hardly a compliment

I've always respected Jaws opinion a great deal. But the last broadcast he did when Cassel started he slobbered all over him and said Matt Cassel is a quality, legitimate starting NFL QB. And then we continued to watch him not make reads, dump the ball down, throw picks, over/under throw recievers all over the place.
I think Jaws was really just try to build up the telecast.

Messier 06-19-2012 03:51 PM

I agree with Josh Freeman. Id' rather have him, but even then he's just middle of the pack.

L.A. Chieffan 06-19-2012 03:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loochy (Post 8689010)
The facts:

Cassel sucks

27 and 7 and a pro bowl is a good place to start.


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