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BoneKrusher 07-13-2012 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 8738512)
Yep, who cares that he's one of the worst QBs in the league when it comes to 3rd down conversion and red zone %? Everyone knows it's yards that win games.
and the key word is in Bold.

RealSNR 07-13-2012 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 8738428)
Told you, i dont care about stats. I care about wins, playoff wins and plays in the clutch that win big games.


Cassel and Orton are from the same turd bowl.
So Mark Sanchez > Philip Rivers is what you're saying?

QBs are in charge of an offense's production. They have to produce yards and points. Statistics are the frame through which we view how productive they are at giving you yards and points.

Orton has production but no playoff wins. Cassel has neither. So don't tell me you have no preference for one or the other. One IS better than the other.

Setsuna 07-13-2012 08:13 PM
Well Orton isn't a Chief anymore and that's that. But I think that's dumb you aren't going to pay Bowe what he wants. He'll definitely play his heart out just to get more interest for him for next season since he may traded. Or does he have a choice when it comes to trades?

-King- 07-13-2012 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by BoneKrusher (Post 8738524)
and the key word is in Bold.
And he doesn't do that better than Cassel either so what's your point?

O.city 07-13-2012 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 8738522)
Brandon Marshall. Muhsim Muhammad, Bernard Berrian
And the one year he had to throw to Brandon Marshall. For the 2009 season (playing in 16 games with 15 starts), Orton threw 21 touchdown passes and 12 interceptions with an 86.8 QB ratin

Deberg_1990 07-13-2012 08:14 PM
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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 8738527)
So Mark Sanchez > Philip Rivers is what you're saying?
Heh, not pure talent wise no.


But I have said for awhile Rivers is like a Modern Jeff George. His stats look pretty in the box score, but if u watch the games he makes a ton of mistakes. Think last years Chiefs game at Arrowhead.

-King- 07-13-2012 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8738534)
And the one year he had to throw to Brandon Marshall. For the 2009 season (playing in 16 games with 15 starts), Orton threw 21 touchdown passes and 12 interceptions with an 86.8 QB ratin
Am I supposed to be impressed by that?

RealSNR 07-13-2012 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 8738522)
Brandon Marshall. Muhsim Muhammad, Bernard Berrian
Brandon Lloyd. Marshall got traded the same year as Cutler.

O.city 07-13-2012 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 8738538)
Am I supposed to be impressed by that?
I'm just of the opinion that Orton has never had any real weapons.


Give him this Chiefs healthy roster and I would have liked to see what woud have happened.

BoneKrusher 07-13-2012 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 8738533)
And he doesn't do that better than Cassel either so what's your point?
i was just saying Cassel isn't setting the league on fire winning either and
Orton is better overall.

-King- 07-13-2012 08:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 8738540)
Brandon Lloyd. Marshall got traded the same year as Cutler.
No, Marshall played one year after Cutler left.

But thanks for adding Lloyd. Forgot about him.

-King- 07-13-2012 08:22 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8738542)
I'm just of the opinion that Orton has never had any real weapons.


Give him this Chiefs healthy roster and I would have liked to see what woud have happened.
Marshall, Lloyd, Muhammad, Berrian, Bowe.

He's had weapons. He's had his chance and the best he's ever done is 3800 yards and 21 touchdowns. He's not significantly better than Cassel.


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Originally Posted by BoneKrusher (Post 8738543)
i was just saying Cassel isn't setting the league on fire winning either and
Orton is better overall.
How exactly? Cassel wins more. Cassel has a higher TD%. Cassel has a lower INT%. Cassel has a higher QB rating. Yeah, Orton has more yards, but who the **** cares? He's worse than Cassel at damn near everything else.

RealSNR 07-13-2012 08:23 PM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 8738545)
No, Marshall played one year after Cutler left.

But thanks for adding Lloyd. Forgot about him.
:doh!: I stand corrected

O.city 07-13-2012 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by -King- (Post 8738553)
Marshall, Lloyd, Muhammad, Berrian, Bowe.

He's had weapons. He's had his chance and the best he's ever done is 3800 yards and 21 touchdowns. He's not significantly better than Cassel.




How exactly? Cassel wins more. Cassel has a higher TD%. Cassel has a lower INT%. Cassel has a higher QB rating. Yeah, Orton has more yards, but who the **** cares? He's worse than Cassel at damn near everything else.
He had Bowe for what 1 and a half games? With no running game at any place he's been.

Berrian and Muhammed? Really?

-King- 07-13-2012 08:34 PM
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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 8738564)
He had Bowe for what 1 and a half games? With no running game at any place he's been.

Berrian and Muhammed? Really?
Muhammad had 11000 yards and 860 catches when he retired. He had a 1400 yard 16 TD season the year before he went to chicago to play with Orton.

And Berrian was a good WR when in Chicago. Averaged 800 yards and 5 TDs in the 2 years in Chicago he was a starter. Steve Breaston type receiver.


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