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jd1020 08-23-2012 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8845198)
And why doesn't that theory also apply to Cassel? After all his mediocre play over time, shouldn't there be a point where he has to earn playing time too? Why does the young, unproven guy have to climb a mountain to earn a starting job where the veteran, provenly mediocre guy has to prove beyond a miserably reasonable doubt that he no longer deserves the job?

Cassel is the best QB on the roster. He's earned the snaps because he is better. Until someone shows they can be better than Cassel then no one deserves the snaps more than him.

chiefzilla1501 08-23-2012 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 8845187)
I know its none. I'm also not on the Stanzi wagon either for the same reason. Our best shot is actually with Brady Quinn.

I am okay with Quinn.

At least with Quinn, there is some element of upside. There is zero element of upside with Cassel. I'm not a fan of winning meaningless games while we learn nothing new about the most important guy for our long-term future.

htismaqe 08-23-2012 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8845198)
And why doesn't that theory also apply to Cassel? After all his mediocre play over time, shouldn't there be a point where he has to earn playing time too? Why does the young, unproven guy have to climb a mountain to earn a starting job where the veteran, provenly mediocre guy has to prove beyond a miserably reasonable doubt that he no longer deserves the job?

He's earned the playing time by default. He's far and away the best QB on the roster.

Now if you want to argue about why Pioli hasn't rectified that situation, I'm with you.

But given what we have at the QB position right now, Cassel is EASILY the best QB on the roster and it's not even close.

Reerun_KC 08-23-2012 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8845202)
I am okay with Quinn.

At least with Quinn, there is some element of upside. There is zero element of upside with Cassel. I'm not a fan of winning meaningless games while we learn nothing new about the most important guy for our long-term future.

Then Quinn is going to have to unseat Cassel which from reports he is failing to do.

Hammock Parties 08-23-2012 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by mr. tegu (Post 8844382)
Flacco is no better than Cassel.

Apart from that whole throwing for 300 yards in the AFC Championship game thing...

Reerun_KC 08-23-2012 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 8845204)
He's earned the playing time by default. He's far and away the best QB on the roster.

Now if you want to argue about why Pioli hasn't rectified that situation, I'm with you.

But given what we have at the QB position right now, Cassel is EASILY the best QB on the roster and it's not even close.

Has to be done next year.

At least needs to draft a legit prospect in round 1 or 2.

Hammock Parties 08-23-2012 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefnj2 (Post 8844716)
What people fail to remember is that Krieg started 5 or 6 games that year. Montana elevated players, but it wasn't all him.

And this is why I slam Pioli so much for not bringing in a good backup QB.

chiefzilla1501 08-23-2012 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020 (Post 8845200)
Cassel is the best QB on the roster. He's earned the snaps because he is better.

He hasn't earned his snaps. He has been given a SHITLOAD more chances than any other QB would have in his same exact situation. Given the amount of chances he's gotten, he's at a breaking point where he should be fighting for his job. But he's not.

It's ****ing ridiculous to judge a guy as being better because he was given chances, reps, and years and years of experience. Jon Kitna was better than a LOT of QBs during his career. That doesn't mean earned the right to start because he was decidedly mediocre given multiple opportunities.

RealSNR 08-23-2012 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by buddha (Post 8845176)
Cassel crumbles like a house of cards whenever a rusher is nearby.

FYP.

Stanzi is the QB on this roster least likely to crumble in the face of pressure.

However, let that not be an endorsement of betting our future on him. If our first round pick next year is not a QB, Pioli needs to be ****ing fired. No more "bargains". Reach if you have to. Pay out the ass in a trade. Just ****ing fix it. No more 2nd round picks who have everything but the arm. No more 3rd round picks with fantastic size yet can't hit the broad side of a barn. No more 4th round picks who need to retool their footwork and technique.

And DEFINITELY no ****ing Landry Jones.

jd1020 08-23-2012 04:29 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8845213)
He hasn't earned his snaps. He has been given a SHITLOAD more chances than any other QB would have in his same exact situation. Given the amount of chances he's gotten, he's at a breaking point where he should be fighting for his job. But he's not.

It's ****ing ridiculous to judge a guy as being better because he was given chances, reps, and years and years of experience. Jon Kitna was better than a LOT of QBs during his career. That doesn't mean earned the right to start because he was decidedly mediocre given multiple opportunities.

STFU

htismaqe 08-23-2012 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8845213)
He hasn't earned his snaps. He has been given a SHITLOAD more chances than any other QB would have in his same exact situation. Given the amount of chances he's gotten, he's at a breaking point where he should be fighting for his job. But he's not.

It's ****ing ridiculous to judge a guy as being better because he was given chances, reps, and years and years of experience. Jon Kitna was better than a LOT of QBs during his career. That doesn't mean earned the right to start because he was decidedly mediocre given multiple opportunities.

He's absolutely earned his snaps, by default. He's the best QB on the roster, hands down.

The coaches aren't going to start Stanzi because Stanzi simply isn't better than Cassel, it's as simple as that.

If you want to blame someone, blame Pioli.

chiefzilla1501 08-23-2012 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC (Post 8845205)
Then Quinn is going to have to unseat Cassel which from reports he is failing to do.

The problem is that the Chiefs walked into the season with the tightly held belief that Cassel was the starter until someone proved beyond a reasonable doubt otherwise.

And that's the big part of the problem. This should have been an open competition from the get-go. INstead, Pioli told Quinn flat-out that he's not the starter.

I wanted to see a fair QB competition, instead of a competition where the starter has to drop significantly and the backup has to rise significantly in order to see a switch.

Hammock Parties 08-23-2012 04:30 PM

Jon Kitna is a pretty good comparison for what Cassel's NFL career will end up being.

$60 milllion for Matt Kitnassel.

:facepalm:

jd1020 08-23-2012 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 8845220)
The problem is that the Chiefs walked into the season with the tightly held belief that Cassel was the starter until someone proved beyond a reasonable doubt otherwise.

And that's the big part of the problem. This should have been an open competition from the get-go. INstead, Pioli told Quinn flat-out that he's not the starter.

I wanted to see a fair QB competition, instead of a competition where the starter has to drop significantly and the backup has to rise significantly in order to see a switch.

Even if it was a fair competition Cassel has won.

STFU

htismaqe 08-23-2012 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 8845215)
FYP.

Stanzi is the QB on this roster least likely to crumble in the face of pressure.

I watched EVERY snap of Stanzi's in college. Each and every single one. Based on that, I would agree with you.

But so far in this preseason, he's done exactly the opposite of what you say. He's crumbled in the face of pressure repeatedly, on damn near every play.

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Originally Posted by SNR (Post 8845215)
However, let that not be an endorsement of betting our future on him. If our first round pick next year is not a QB, Pioli needs to be ****ing fired. No more "bargains". Reach if you have to. Pay out the ass in a trade. Just ****ing fix it.

Yep.


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