I thought they did a good job of making us care about Cap and Bucky. As well as they could anyways. They really didn't spend too much time on their relationship in the first film to make us care much for him.

Y'see, I didn't see it that way with the Winter Soldier's limited appearance. He wasn't physically in every shot, but he was an intimidating background presence through the whole movie. You don't want to overuse a character like that, or he loses the mystery that was integral to the character.

And you could not have removed Winter Soldier from the movie; he was supremely essential to, if nothing else, Cap's arc.

As for what's in your spoiler . . .

Don't be obtuse. I'm not the one saying the plot of a comic book movie is "too unbelievable."

Shield originally did not know of the psychic program that could tell who could be a threat. That was all Hydra which Captain obtained the knowledge. And why would they not have the 3 new helicarriers with better weapons? They just had theirs crashed in Avengers and now know of bigger threats?

How many taxpayer dollars did the crashing of those 3 Helicarriers waste?

....and Im not the one implying that it could be plausible based off of a paranoid delusion I have about my real life government. Seriously, GTFO of here with that noise.

When you take source material, put it aside and have a character or group of characters do something completely out of character, then that is unbelievable. That's not what SHIELD is, nor the kind of activity they would get behind. At least not in the source material anyway.

Its not impossible because its a comic book based film. But SHIELD getting behind something like that makes about as much sense as having Thor or Iron Man just go on some Punisher style killing sprees, and nobody can cry foul because "nothing is impossible in a comic book film."

Its ****ing stupid, it doesn't make any sense, ergo it is unbelievable.

To simply state to the audience that this plan is going on, and NOBODY in the entire SHIELD organization that was aware of it had ANY problems with the idea save for Cap, is both ****ing insanely stupid, and insults the intelligence of the comic book fans to which this movie is targeted.

The dude that plays Bucky signed something like a 9 film exentsion. You'll get plenty of Bucky.

I read Civil War and it really wasn't that great. Marvel getting way too far up their own asses for a story arc that didn't have to stretch out as long as it did. If anything, the fact that the themes of Civil War were addressed as subplot here is more evidence that Civil War was overblown.

I don't think it's fair to compare the crossover movies with the stand-alone movies.

Yeah. It would have better with a return to realism like we saw in the first movie about cosmic death rays in the hands of a Nazi splinter group.

Not disagreeing with you that seems to be a bit too much of an unrealistic plot, but Capt. wasn't the only one to notice.

See the Nick Fury vs. S.H.I.E.L.D. story line before bringing up source material.

Wait, you think it's a paranoid delusion that the NSA is spying on American citizens without their knowledge or getting proper authorization to keep it constitutional? I'm not saying the NSA is killing people, but they've been doing some shady shit for a long time without the knowledge of a lot of people that should have known about it. I'm not trying to turn this into a political debate, but this stuff actually happened/is happening. In light of that, a conspiracy in a superhero movie just isn't even on the radar of things that are "farfetched" lol

And the other 98% of the staff in the control room. In an agency that compartmentalizes data, this not even remotely hard to believe. I think that was made rather clear through out the movie.

I don't want the movie spoiled, but I'd like the "Avengers 2" teaser spoiled for me.

1. Is it possible to be told about that spoiler without having this film spoiled for me (FYI: the simple fact that Captain America will survive this film is not exactly a spoiler, but just about everything else would be)?

2. If it is possible, please spoil away.