OK, I'll give you that. I don't think it makes a difference and I don't care, but I can see how some people would glare at that sort of thing and say "cut it out guys, you haven't earned the right to do that."

It doesn't directly effect winning but it sure as **** is pretty clear that it shows the entire midset of an organization that never wins and doesn't have the mental fortitude to do so. Name me another team that would act like every hit is a celebrated milestone? It is ****ing absurd until you actually start winning games. And teams that are winning games aren't doing it for every ****ing lame ass single.

The problem with the both of them is they are trying to kill the ball. You can see it plain as day. Both are pulling their head. Both are not hitting for much power. Both are rolling over on a lot of pitches.

That's a sign that they are trying to go yard instead of hitting line drives.

Unfortunately, we're looking so bad now, that I don't think it'll matter. If we were to miss the playoffs by one or two games, the post-mortem would get interesting.

So do you believe Alex developed by himself or with help?

It just seems so many in this franchise goes bust route. Where are we going wrong with prospects who are highly touted?

Was the Seitzer firing a Yost decision? If so, does Moore share the blame (if there is any to be given) for not vetoing it?

the kind of celebrating I want to see is like when Gordon hit the game winner a few weeks ago and grabbed his helmet and flung it down as if to say "that's right mother ****ers!"

But that was a game winner. High fivers in the dugout after a jack or a good SAC or you score...sure, fine, that's all fine.

Celebrating because you hit a ball slow enough to 3rd base that you beat it out??? Nah, you can't be doing that shit.

Moore shares the blame in a lot of this. I do believe the Seitzer firing was a Yost decision.

My opinion is we bring them up too soon and\or depend on them too much once they are up.

We put too much pressure on Grienke too early.

We put too much pressure on Gordon too early.

We are doing the same with Hos and Moose.

None of these guys are getting the chance to be rookies.

I mean, FFS, Moose was batting cleanup to start the season. WHY?

Re: Seitzer, I'm gonna need to see a reason to care, before I care. They weren't setting the world on fire at the end of 2012. (or the entire year, in Hosmer's case)

Maybe hitting coaches matter, especially for players in their first 2 or 3 years, but there's been very little research done on that.

Well we fired Setizer and now have 2 hitting coaches and we are hitting twice as bad.

I highly doubt that.

He crushed the ball in Surprise, bro! Just crushed it!

That's spring training pitching.

You think Dayton wanted us hitting for more power?