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Hootie 09-22-2015 09:36 PM
Herron was actually quite good with Indy last year ... but I'm glad this has turned into propping up Luck because he has no name RB's. What? Cool. You know, Arian Foster was once a no name RB.

I care 0% about NFL RB's. It's not a running league. The Patriots hired Dion Lewis away from the Sonic drive thru and he looks like Marshall Faulk.

tk13 09-22-2015 09:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11749540)
are you saying that Boom Herron and Ahmad Bradshaw didn't play good RB for the Colts last year?

I'm sorry that I'm not giving Andrew Luck a pass for playing on a "garbage" team when his "garbage" team shared a division with Tennessee, Houston and Jacksonville.

I'm pretty sure Buffalo, Miami, NYJ, KC, San Diego, Baltimore, Cincy and Pitt would have all won that division if they were fortunate enough to switch places with Indy.

but hey, it sure is impressive that Luck could drag Trent Richardson to the playoffs beating up on Ryan Mettenberger Fitzpatrick Bortles ... as the Colts constantly used T-Rich as their #2 back ... but way to prop him up to make your argument look better

did you even watch the Colts last year?
Bradshaw did play well, but he didn't even lead the team in carries. He got 90 carries on the season. And how many playoff carries did he get?

Zero.

So now you're arguing that Bradshaw helped carry Luck with his 90 regular season carries, and also in the playoffs when he didn't get a single carry. I totally agree. Reid should probably cut Charles workload down so he gets 90 carries, and Davis gets the rest.

Hootie 09-22-2015 09:39 PM
Gotcha.

Man!

Let's talk about Russell Wilson's leading Super Bowl receiver ... a guy inactive all year long ... and didn't make his first catch until the Super Bowl.

Holy shit! I wonder what he could have done with T.Y. Hilton, Reggie Wayne, Donte Moncrief, Coby Fleener and Dwayne Allen!??!?!

!!!!!!

Two can play this idiotic game.

Chris ****ing Mathews.

TigeRRUppeRRcut 09-22-2015 09:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11749547)
Gotcha.

Man!

Let's talk about Russell Wilson's leading Super Bowl receiver ... a guy inactive all year long ... and didn't make his first catch until the Super Bowl.

Holy shit! I wonder what he could have done with T.Y. Hilton, Reggie Wayne, Donte Moncrief, Coby Fleener and Dwayne Allen!??!?!

!!!!!!

Two can play this idiotic game.

Chris ****ing Mathews.
Can't help but agree that Russell Wilson is a smarter and more efficient QB. People on here making excuses for Luck that he has no receivers and no o-line should look at what the Seahawks have given Wilson. Wilson has simply done that much better with less around him (granted, he does have a much better defense).

tk13 09-22-2015 09:46 PM
I've always said you don't need great WRs or CBs to win a Super Bowl. I've said that from the beginning of time. I don't know what argument you think you're winning. I wasn't too hot on resigning Bowe, Carr, or Flowers. And I probably won't be too hot on re-signing Peters. Good teams can draft those positions, even in the lower rounds.

So now we've circled the the entire argument. Luck isn't carrying his team because a QB isn't as important as the entire team, but the RB, WR and defense doesn't matter. So, that leaves...

tk13 09-22-2015 09:48 PM
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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut (Post 11749555)
Can't help but agree that Russell Wilson is a smarter and more efficient QB. People on here making excuses for Luck that he has no receivers and no o-line should look at what the Seahawks have given Wilson. Wilson has simply done that much better with less around him (granted, he does have a much better defense).
You give Luck a defense that allows 15 points per game, and watch what happens.

Honestly, give Alex Smith a defense that allows 15 points per game, and watch what happens. The Chiefs would probably get the #1 seed.

Hootie 09-22-2015 09:49 PM
I definitely think Luck carries the Colts. I think Wilson carries the hawks, Romo carries the cowboys and Brady carries the pats, too. I'm just scoffing at the notion of Luck being dealt some rough hand when he has played in the weakest division in NFL history during his time in Indy

TigeRRUppeRRcut 09-22-2015 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Mav (Post 11748463)
Well that kinda was my hidden agenda. The Chiefs just played two teams with ridiculous front sevens. Not surprising that the offense struggled. But no one will point out the obvious for fear of making excuses.

Well said.

Hootie 09-22-2015 09:50 PM
And if this turns into a "lynch and Seattle's defense carries Seattle" argument I bow out before it starts ... I'm just done arguing about that. In fact, I'm done either way.

TigeRRUppeRRcut 09-22-2015 09:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Gravedigger (Post 11748488)
Pretty sure Frank Gore fumbled on the one yard line and Luck was constantly scrambling out of the pocket because his offensive line is a patchwork mess. But that's all on Luck. The acquisitions of Frank Gore and Andre Johnson, both of whom haven't done shit and are past their prime, guess that's on Luck too. Chuck needs to watch what he says to the media or he'll be looking for a job pretty soon.
Gore had a solid season last year. It's the line that is making him look bad, let's be real. Andre Johnson tho I've worried for years that he would go out and break and his hip, he looked really tired out there this week.

TigeRRUppeRRcut 09-22-2015 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 11749557)
You give Luck a defense that allows 15 points per game, and watch what happens.

Honestly, give Alex Smith a defense that allows 15 points per game, and watch what happens. The Chiefs would probably get the #1 seed.
But what I'm saying is that Luck has had great receivers and a quality O-line and his efficiency still lags behind Wilson who has struggled to find quality receivers with the instability of Harvin, the departure of Tate, and shoddy tight ends.

TigeRRUppeRRcut 09-22-2015 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11749558)
I definitely think Luck carries the Colts. I think Wilson carries the hawks, Romo carries the cowboys and Brady carries the pats, too. I'm just scoffing at the notion of Luck being dealt some rough hand when he has played in the weakest division in NFL history during his time in Indy
And you consider he is practically undefeated in his division and barely .500 against the rest of the AFC, makes you question how 'elite' he is when he is playing against shit defenses so far in his career. Well except for the last two games and in the playoffs in the past, his true form shows. Pagano is spot on to say that Luck needs to stop turning over the ball in competitive games.

okcchief 09-22-2015 10:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11749558)
I definitely think Luck carries the Colts. I think Wilson carries the hawks, Romo carries the cowboys and Brady carries the pats, too. I'm just scoffing at the notion of Luck being dealt some rough hand when he has played in the weakest division in NFL history during his time in Indy
It's definately nice to be in that division. Luck definately has a bad Oline and they didn't do the best job assembling the team around him, but a great QB will carry that heap of shit. I'm sure when it's all said and done he will.

Sweet Daddy Hate 09-23-2015 03:31 AM
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Originally Posted by temper11 (Post 11749160)
Just because it's tired and stale, doesn't make it less true. Offensive line is the single most important position group of any football team. Always has been, always will be.

As much of a hard on that you have to draft your QBOTF, you better hope that the offensive line gels before he gets under center, or it won't matter how good he is. It simply won't matter - he'll bust.
:facepalm:

Please remain a dumbass Chiefs fan, even after Alex is long gone. You fit in to the Stepford program nicely.

Amnorix 09-23-2015 05:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Hootie 2.0 (Post 11749477)
I have zero Andrew Luck hatred whatsoever. Zero.

I'm just not someone who hands out any QB an excuse for playing terribly. Maybe Peyton Manning but ONLY because this board just eviscerates Manning and Romo at every corner for any bad game or any bad throw while constantly giving guys like Luck and Brady every pass imaginable like they can do no wrong.

and hell, this board has turned me into a Brady apologist at this point, too.

Andrew Luck is not an elite QB and has never been an elite QB up to this point in his NFL career.

He has not carried that team to anything other than OBVIOUS division championships over the worst division in the NFL.

The crowning of Andrew Luck is ridiculous. Last year the entire board just took a giant shit on Russell Wilson in the NFCCG thread for playing terrible football and no one said a damn word about Luck playing even worse in the AFCCG that night.

Andrew Luck has been nothing more than Philip Rivers good (at best) to this point of his career.

He doesn't deserve any excuses for how lousy he played last night. If that was Romo, he would have been KILLED. Instead? Stupid Pagano! OMG GM, get him in a line!?!??!?!!??! WTF!

he gets every excuse imaginable for playing garbage football ... that doesn't mean I hate him, it just means, unlike this board, I'm realistic

Saw an interesting stat in an article I read about the Colts' woes:

Andrew Luck's BEST QB rating (or QBR, whichever) for a year thus far in his career isn't as good as Manning's WORST.


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