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kcfanXIII 01-12-2016 01:46 PM

He does have a history of being a dirty player though, so I guess there's some justification. I just hate how its all on the defender to avoid a head collision when backs and receivers lower their heads like battering rams with no penalty.

Amnorix 01-12-2016 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by A Salt Weapon (Post 12021155)
After seeing a bunch of other stuff, I flip my position and see no problem with the suspension and don't believe it's long enough. Dude is a pretty dirty player and I can see now that the hit might not have been as innocent as I originally thought.

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Originally Posted by kcfanXIII (Post 12021391)
Glad I'm not the only one. I feel like if you are going to fine and suspend defenders for lowering their heads, offensive players should have to remain upright or face similar fines or suspensions. It's too easy for an offensive player to lower their head late, and too hard for a defender to change their trajectory at the last minute to levy fines and suspensions against them for not being able to.


Salt changed his mind so, yes, actually, you are the only one. :D

Rain Man 01-12-2016 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by kcfanXIII (Post 12021405)
He does have a history of being a dirty player though, so I guess there's some justification. I just hate how its all on the defender to avoid a head collision when backs and receivers lower their heads like battering rams with no penalty.

A lot of us get annoyed at offensive advantages. I find it odd that stiff arms to the face aren't a penalty on the offense.

In Burfict's case, he doesn't like the fact that defensive players aren't allowed to physically assault offensive players after the whistle and between plays.

BigCatDaddy 01-12-2016 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by A Salt Weapon (Post 12021155)
After seeing a bunch of other stuff, I flip my position and see no problem with the suspension and don't believe it's long enough. Dude is a pretty dirty player and I can see now that the hit might not have been as innocent as I originally thought.

Tapout acknowledged.

kcfanXIII 01-12-2016 02:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Amnorix (Post 12021409)
Salt changed his mind so, yes, actually, you are the only one. :D

This may be a poor example for me to hitch my wagon to make this point. I too backed off my original statement after seeing some of the gif history and feel this guy has probably lost his right to benefit of the doubt. Something needs to be done to balance the extreme advantage the offense has now based on "player safety" rules. That, I will not back down on.

A Salt Weapon 01-12-2016 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BigCatDaddy (Post 12021425)
Tapout acknowledged.

Don't get me wrong, I still have no problem with that particular hit, if it was done by anyone else, but seeing that he has a history of trying to hurt people intentionally, I don't believe it was as innocent as it looked.

A Salt Weapon 01-12-2016 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kcfanXIII (Post 12021433)
This may be a poor example for me to hitch my wagon to make this point. I too backed off my original statement after seeing some of the gif history and feel this guy has probably lost his right to benefit of the doubt. Something needs to be done to balance the extreme advantage the offense has now based on "player safety" rules. That, I will not back down on.

I agree completely.

kcfanXIII 01-12-2016 02:13 PM

Case in point, with about a minute to go in the first half of this same game, 36 for Cin hit 11 for Pit after 11 caught the ball over the middle. The defender led with his shoulder pad, and was flagged. It was a clean hit, except for the fact 11 lowered his head, which caused 36 to brush his facemask when he got tackled. There was a 15 yeard personal foul called. So, are defenders supposed to get out of the way and let a WR own the middle of the field? Not make the tackle and let the offense get a bigger play? What are a defenders options in that situation? It's absolute horseshit that that is considered a penalty...

Marcellus 01-12-2016 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Rain Man (Post 12021413)
A lot of us get annoyed at offensive advantages. I find it odd that stiff arms to the face aren't a penalty on the offense.

In Burfict's case, he doesn't like the fact that defensive players aren't allowed to physically assault offensive players after the whistle and between plays.

If you grab the face mask a stiff arm can be a penalty.

On that note I have never seen a defensive player hurt by a stiff arm that I can recall evcept maybe a bruised ego. I suppose it's happened.

BigCatDaddy 01-12-2016 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by A Salt Weapon (Post 12021434)
Don't get me wrong, I still have no problem with that particular hit, if it was done by anyone else, but seeing that he has a history of trying to hurt people intentionally, I don't believe it was as innocent as it looked.

The rule is you can not target a defenseless receivers head. He hit a defenseless receiver in the head. Doesn't matter what the name is on the back of the jersery it is a penalty. Im not getting your issue?

listopencil 01-12-2016 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kcfanXIII (Post 12021456)
Case in point, with about a minute to go in the first half of this same game, 36 for Cin hit 11 for Pit after 11 caught the ball over the middle. The defender led with his shoulder pad, and was flagged. It was a clean hit, except for the fact 11 lowered his head, which caused 36 to brush his facemask when he got tackled. There was a 15 yeard personal foul called. So, are defenders supposed to get out of the way and let a WR own the middle of the field? Not make the tackle and let the offense get a bigger play? What are a defenders options in that situation? It's absolute horseshit that that is considered a penalty...

You don't get to throw your shoulder at a guy. You just don't get to. You have to play defense in control of your body and hit in a way that isn't going to likely cause an injury. Either wise up or get the **** out of the league.

NJChiefsFan 01-12-2016 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence (Post 12021074)
Anybody have a video of him throwing the camera on the ground?

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lawrenceRaider 01-12-2016 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Deberg_1990 (Post 12019965)
Does Joey Porter get suspended? Its sounds like he instigated the Pac Man stuff.

How was there not a penalty on the Steelers for Porter being out in the middle of the field, and in the Bengals faces?

kcfanXIII 01-12-2016 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by listopencil (Post 12021716)
You don't get to throw your shoulder at a guy. You just don't get to. You have to play defense in control of your body and hit in a way that isn't going to likely cause an injury. Either wise up or get the **** out of the league.

Defender had total control of his body, the receiver was the one who didn't. Yet its still a penalty on the defense. The defender went low, the receiver caught the ball and took two full steps before crashing into the defender. This is my entire point. This can't all be on defenders because it gives way too much of an advantage to offense.

Toby Waller 01-12-2016 04:21 PM

all this means is the Ravens will jump to an early division lead next year


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