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DJ's left nut 04-28-2025 07:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6 (Post 18047007)
If Simmons becomes a 10 year starter at LT, this draft will become Veach' all time masterpiece

Veach identifying this obscure kid as worthy late is looking like a masterstroke... swear to you all I'm seeing Jamaal Delaney

If Simmons works out this was a master class

He wasn't THAT obscure.

I think Brugler and Jeremiah both had him as a 5th round talent.

The issue is that those boards grade guys in a vacuum and don't consider the glut of players at the RB position. Lots of teams had already filled a need at RB in day 3 so he slid.

He's still a guy that in an average year is a 5th rounder. It was just a deep RB draft.

Buehler445 04-28-2025 07:35 AM

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Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger (Post 18048500)
As for Brashard. Maybe I'm crazy but when I watch him run and do his stop, start, jump cuts etc I see shades of Tyreek In his game. I just have a feeling this kid could be an absolute revelation for this team in the future if he keeps his head in the playbook and grinds hard to perfect his craft just like Hill did.

Some of those plays were really bad defense. A few of those were some really good blocking destroying some flowing linebackers (that was enjoyable, regardless of who I was watching :D ).

I'm trying to keep the uber homer in me tamped down. I don't think he can do Tyreek things. Tyreek is ridiculous. But the homer is coming, he can do some really nice slippery things that the offense has been missing since Jet was healthy. I'm trying to find ways to keep the homer at bay, but it's coming!

RunKC 04-28-2025 07:42 AM

Remember that this kid literally played WR until last year so he’s multi-faceted. I half wonder if Andy gets him some snaps out wide at times on certain plays.

He could be another screen option, running option, WR option or play some of the gadget role. He’s extremely versatile.

I expect Elijah Mitchell to get the Perine 3rd down back role bc he is a decent blocker, but it is nice to have insurance for when he eventually gets hurt.

It’s such a breath of fresh air man. People constantly blamed the coaches when we had old, washed slow players that severely limited the offense. The injection of speed and juice on the offense is gonna help us big time.

DJ's left nut 04-28-2025 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by nychief (Post 18048524)
Yeah… I think he might just be a gadget player…which is fine for a 7th rnd pick.

Just remember that Jet wasn't exactly a punishing blocker back there.

He succeeded through intelligence and willingness.

Smith CAN get there. Will he? Who knows? But this isn't a situation where we grabbed a 5'9", 170 lb guy to go stand in front of LBs.

Smith is gonna play at 200 lbs. He's not someone who physically won't be able to stand in there and throw a block if he's in the right place at the right time. The tools are there.

So now it's a question of drive and experience.

It may not come early, but there's no reason to think it can't come at all. He can be a legitimate James White sort of 3rd down weapon with a little time. He has the tools and the frame to do it.

duncan_idaho 04-28-2025 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by tmax63 (Post 18048521)
I definitely read it. I just trust the Chiefs medical guys to do their senatorial role of advise and consent and either approve or veto the pick. They think they solved LT with Moore, but with Simmons they might be set for a decade. If he only comes back 80-90% of what he could of been, that's still better than anyone on the current roster except maybe Moore. I guess I just trust the medical guys to know their shit more than most people here. And by WTF moments I was talking about positional needs going into the draft and drafting to fill those, not debate over individual picks.

I think your percentages are off. The margin of skill is so slim in the NFL, that 80 percent of a guy who was viewed as a top 15-20 pick is not even a practice squad guy.

The percentage differences in skill or speed from NFL stars and NFL never-gonna-make-its is SMALL.

Let's use speed as an easy example. If you're a WR or RB or CB or S who runs 4.4, you're fast enough to be in the NFL. But if your speed is 80 percent of what it was, you're now a 5.28 guy and probably not a football player past high school. If your speed is 90 percent of what it was, you're now a 4.84 guy and definitely not jumping from college to the NFL (and probably were a walk-on or fringer roster guy at the college level).

Guys that lose 5 percent of their physical abilities are guys that start to slide out of the league.

Simmons needs to come back at 95 percent of what he was, or better, to really even have a chance to stick in the NFL.

DJ's left nut 04-28-2025 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 18048547)
I think your percentages are off. The margin of skill is so slim in the NFL, that 80 percent of a guy who was viewed as a top 15-20 pick is not even a practice squad guy.

The percentage differences in skill or speed from NFL stars and NFL never-gonna-make-its is SMALL.

Let's use speed as an easy example. If you're a WR or RB or CB or S who runs 4.4, you're fast enough to be in the NFL. But if your speed is 80 percent of what it was, you're now a 5.28 guy and probably not a football player past high school. If your speed is 90 percent of what it was, you're now a 4.84 guy and definitely not jumping from college to the NFL (and probably were a walk-on or fringer roster guy at the college level).

Guys that lose 5 percent of their physical abilities are guys that start to slide out of the league.

Simmons needs to come back at 95 percent of what he was, or better, to really even have a chance to stick in the NFL.

I feel like you're pissing into the wind on this one...

Chris Meck 04-28-2025 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18048542)
Remember that this kid literally played WR until last year so he’s multi-faceted. I half wonder if Andy gets him some snaps out wide at times on certain plays.

He could be another screen option, running option, WR option or play some of the gadget role. He’s extremely versatile.

I expect Elijah Mitchell to get the Perine 3rd down back role bc he is a decent blocker, but it is nice to have insurance for when he eventually gets hurt.

It’s such a breath of fresh air man. People constantly blamed the coaches when we had old, washed slow players that severely limited the offense. The injection of speed and juice on the offense is gonna help us big time.

Well, no more excuses, anyway. We're fast as ****.

Pitt Gorilla 04-28-2025 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18048536)
He wasn't THAT obscure.

I think Brugler and Jeremiah both had him as a 5th round talent.

The issue is that those boards grade guys in a vacuum and don't consider the glut of players at the RB position. Lots of teams had already filled a need at RB in day 3 so he slid.

He's still a guy that in an average year is a 5th rounder. It was just a deep RB draft.

I think the biggest plus is the fit.

DJ's left nut 04-28-2025 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Pitt Gorilla (Post 18048938)
I think the biggest plus is the fit.

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I think it's the world class speed...

Pitt Gorilla 04-28-2025 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 18048942)
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I think it's the world class speed...

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BWillie 04-28-2025 04:07 PM

He has a bunch to work on to be able to pass block. He's not a guy I suspect will be in much on 1st and 10. And that pleases me because I don't ever want to run on 1st and 10 anyway.

Kiimo 04-28-2025 04:10 PM

For starters I'm thinking he is taking every single one of Hardman's plays just right off the top.

Can't wait to see this guy run reverses.

Easy 6 04-28-2025 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Kiimo (Post 18048982)
For starters I'm thinking he is taking every single one of Hardman's plays just right off the top.

Can't wait to see this guy run reverses.

The Kool-Aid Man says OH YEAH!

duncan_idaho 04-29-2025 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 18048980)
He has a bunch to work on to be able to pass block. He's not a guy I suspect will be in much on 1st and 10. And that pleases me because I don't ever want to run on 1st and 10 anyway.


But if you don’t WANT to run on 1st and 10 … wouldn’t the back who is primarily a receiving threat be THE perfect back for 1st and 10?

It’s a conundrum…

DJ's left nut 04-29-2025 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 18049426)
But if you don’t WANT to run on 1st and 10 … wouldn’t the back who is primarily a receiving threat be THE perfect back for 1st and 10?

It’s a conundrum…

Agreed. I love the guy on 1st and 10.

Because there's a credible threat of the run (which will mitigate his shortcomings as a pass blocker) but the Chiefs will still prefer to pass (which can get him out in space).

Run the ball even 1/4 of the time that he's in there on 1st down strictly as a tendency breaker and if he gets the corner even 10% of the time, you're cooking with gas.

I see Mitchell as a 3rd down back (for now) where Brashard Smith can actually be a really nice fit on early downs in 'open' down/distance situations.


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