Originally Posted by tk13

it's like I'm running for President.

Originally Posted by tk13

but no one's listening.

Originally Posted by Wile_E_Coyote

How much does Law make, what will Bailey cost?

Originally Posted by Rausch

Let's pretend that's what we do. We sign Vincent. That contract will be the LAST contract he ever signs. He's got 2-3 years left in this league before he retires or Joins Rod Woodson at FS. He's going to want us to show him the money. Bailey would likely be CHEAPER at this point because we could back-load a longer term (5-7 year) contract. See Holmes or Green's contracts for similar approach. We don't have that option with Vincent because he KNOWS he won't ever be around to see that late-year payday...He's a good player though, and would be a solid addition.

THEN who do we target? What IMPACT LB or DL are out there? Is there a Warren Sapp talent at DT?

No....

Is there a Jevon Kearse at End who ISN'T always injured?

No...Winstrom is likely the most solid DE available. He's good, but no stud. I'll pretend we somehow land BOTH Vincent and Winstrom. Our defense is better. This year. But that's it. We've blown our wad.

This is just MHO but I'd rather improve our WR's and sign a STUD CB...We take a step up on offense AND on defense. A CB like Bailey allows us to blitz (making up for a lack of pass rush on from the D line) and we won't get burned with him locking up on his guy.

Originally Posted by tk13

Blah, I'm going to delete that post. I can go find 300 quotes of my own where I said Gunther was going to fix this defense talent be damned and I think the Chiefs #1 priority this offseason should be a FA CB.... but no one's listening.

Originally Posted by munkey

Either your I'm drunk or I need to down a few more to understand your reply.

Originally Posted by tk13

Blah, I'm going to delete that post. I can go find 300 quotes of my own where I said Gunther was going to fix this defense talent be damned and I think the Chiefs #1 priority this offseason should be a FA CB.... but no one's listening.

Originally Posted by Wile_E_Coyote

I agree with everything you stated. I don't buy into the window, teams rebuild to some extend every year. My problem was with the dollars & draft picks to land Bailey. This I understand is his first big payday & will be going to a new team anyway so he will go for the bucks, I would. The back loaded deal sounds good. But with Gonzo & Priests deals, the O line is not cheap. QBOTF is needed to groom. We really do need a good WR, maybe through draft. Is all this doable & Bailey too?

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

Whether you want to admit it or not there IS a window.That window is TWO years and TWO years ONLY.Vermeil WILL NOT be back.The other coaches aren't signed for any longer than Two years and even Carl Peterson's contract is up.Parlay that with having SEVERAL players that are over the age of 30 and it easy to see there is ONLY a two year window.Priest Holmes,T-Rich,Will Shields,Wille Roaf,Trent Green,Johnny Morton,Eddie Kennison,Kendall Gammon,and Morten Andersen are ALL over the age of 30,that means they won't be around much longer,so to get it done,the window is two years.

Originally Posted by Wile_E_Coyote

That is why the draft picks that go for Bailey hurt. Saunders is probably pushing for the future & DV will listen. What CP ultimately decides is the question

Originally Posted by BigChiefFan

The Draft picks don't really hurt.Picking at 30 overall and getting Bailey for that pick is a steal.We are not going to get a stud Pro Bowl corner picking at 30, so Bailey actually improves our pick and it's like trading up,except we KNOW what we are getting with Bailey,a proven PRO BOWL CB that is going into his prime.You don't actually believe we are going to get a better player with the 30th pick do you?BTW why are you so against getting Bailey?

Originally Posted by TRR

I'd rather sign Troy Vincent, who is still a Pro Bowl CB, for cheap, than have to pony up tons of dough for Bailey plus give up at least 2 very high draft picks.

Troy Vincent is still a very special CB even at his age. Whoever compared Ray Crockett to Troy Vincent doesn't have a clue.

Originally Posted by TRR

I'd rather sign Troy Vincent, who is still a Pro Bowl CB, for cheap, than have to pony up tons of dough for Bailey plus give up at least 2 very high draft picks.

Troy Vincent is still a very special CB even at his age. Whoever compared Ray Crockett to Troy Vincent doesn't have a clue.