What's up with green tea and green tea extract? I'm seeing it around a lot.

antioxidants

That's bullshit and you know it.

speaking of; I just scored a case of Pepsi with the original sugar formula.
delicious.

It burns fat. A little. But every little bit helps.

All I have where I'm currently at is an exercise bike machine thingy. Until I join a gym that is.

Just finished a 42-hour fast. **** yeah!

Yes, this.

OH NOEZ, HOW DID U AVOID LOW BLOOD SUGARZ AND HAVE THE ENERGEE TO DO THINGS WITHOUT EATING? SO BIG AND STRONGZZZZ!

What do you drink when you fast, water only?

You are supposed to drink urine as it replenishes your lost nutrients the fastest.

Water, Dr. Pepper, 0-calorie beverage mix.

I WILL DIE FROM ASPARTAME-INDUCED CANCER EVENTUALLY

I love working out on an empty stomach. NewChief recomended it and it's the best.

The knowledge that I'm burning PURE FAT while doing it is incredibly awesome.

Is lemur urine OK or does it have to be your own?

supposed to be your own since you are then replacing the exact nutrients you lost.

Well...shit.

Also an option.

I gave up on this for like 2 weeks, and now I have horrible acne, am super bloated, IBS returned, and am always ****ing hungry.

My arms look jacked though.

Going back on Keto effective today.

Acne isn't caused by sugar.

Bloat could be, but with a ton of salt, that'll happen.

IBS - can't help you there.

A 2 week break likely did you more good than you think.

Well I wasn't exactly consuming a shit load of sugar during my break, but plenty of other carbs.

During the 3 weeks, I had ice cream twice, and that was the only dessert I've had.

:shrug: I don't see any problem with that. Carbs make you bloat after you've been off of them for a while. The sugar binds with water. That's how it's supposed to work!

Yep, but IBS is a killer for me. I forgot that I even had it.

I'm not a fan of wiping my asshole raw every day because I have to shit 3-5 times a day.

I have it, and I don't even eat sugar. But, I know what causes mine (Gilbert's Syndrome).

Flushable baby wipes are amazing.

Don't drink your own urine, dummy. That would be gross.

I don't know anything about keto. Do you consume dairy with it? Did you consume dairy on your break from it?

I never stopped eating dairy. However, I didn't eat or drink anything that had lactose in it in either scenario.

Edit: unless ice cream has lactose.

I still have a glass of 1% milk a day, plus milk on my cereal (high fiber/low sugar). And cheese. All in moderation.

A friend of mine avoids all dairy because she says it makes you fat. I've lost 40 lbs., she hasn't lost any.

I don't eat hardly any dairy. I'll have some low fat cottage cheese with ripe tomato slices once in a while for breakfast, but rarely. I eat no cheese and no milk.

Yes. I was eating strict paleo for about 3 months and it fixed a lot of things for me. One of which was mild acne that I had for years. It totally went away. Now if I have a big bowl of ice cream, I break out like a 16 yr old. I'm now about 80% paleo, but the only dairy I have is the occasional slice of cheese. No acne issues at all. It took me a little while to learn that dairy was the culprit so I thought it might help Buck.

Not to derail this discussion, but I also noticed a HUGE improvement with my seasonal allergies. I went from taking prescription meds for it and being a mess to not taking anything and being fine. My youngest son had allergies so bad that he had to have breathing treatments sometimes after playing outside. We took him off dairy & he barely has any issues today.

In all of the years that we struggled with this crap why didn't a single doctor suggest that we stop with the dairy????? Greedy bastards!

I also lost 13 lbs in 3 weeks when I started paleo. I got absolutely shredded. That said, dairy doesn't make you fat. Taking in more calories than you're putting out makes you fat.

thanks for the info.

I don't eat cheese because it stuffs my nose up so bad I can barely breathe (plus I then snore enough to chase my wife to a different room). I eat a lot of non-fat Greek yogurt though and it doesn't seem to bother me. Neither did half and half or milk when I drank those. I think it has something to do with aged dairy more than dairy itself.

UPDATE: I'm dying.

I've been paleo'ish for over a year now and and I pound the dairy but recently found out that I have whey protein issue. Luckily this keeps butter and cheese in the picture.

I also have an egg yolk issue and when combined with whey causes eczema. My doc wanted to treat it with surface creams while admitting that it was likely a dietary issue. It went away pretty quickly.

Luckily I found a goose egg contact at the farmers market.

The paleo approach has been a huge success for me. My favorite part was seeing the look on docs face when we reviewed my recent blood test and I told him I was doing the opposite of what he's told me. Whole grains and veg/seed oils can lick my butt! Bring on the lard and coconut oil!

That's awesome. You should tell him you'd like your money back for his shitty advice.

If it fits your calorie goals, there's no problem.

Based upon what evidence?

Nippleprints.

Amazing how many dumbass doctors there are in the world.

How do you feel about lemur urine then?

Drink up. Duh!

Sugar tied to fatal heart woes; soda's a culprit
February 3
BY LINDSEY TANNER
AP Medical Writer

CHICAGO — Could too much sugar be deadly? The biggest study of its kind suggests the answer is yes, at least when it comes to fatal heart problems.

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FILE - In this Sept. 8, 2013 file photo, a vendor sells cotton candy at Safeco field during a baseball game between the Tampa Bay Rays and the Seattle Mariners, in Seattle. A new study published Monday, Feb. 3, 2014 in the journal, JAMA Internal Medicine, says diets high in sugar are linked with increased risks for fatal heart disease, and it doesn't take that much extra sugar to boost the risk, anything more than a 20-ounce Mountain Dew soda a day.

It doesn't take all that much extra sugar, hidden in many processed foods, to substantially raise the risk, the researchers found, and most Americans eat more than the safest amount.

Having a cinnamon roll with your morning coffee, a super-sized sugary soda at lunch and a scoop of ice cream after dinner would put you in the highest risk category in the study. That means your chance of dying prematurely from heart problems is nearly three times greater than for people who eat only foods with little added sugar.

For someone who normally eats 2,000 calories daily, even consuming two 12-ounce cans of soda substantially increases the risk. For most American adults, sodas and other sugary drinks are the main source of added sugar.

Lead author Quanhe Yang of the U.S. Centers of Disease Control and Prevention called the results sobering and said it's the first nationally representative study to examine the issue.

Scientists aren't certain exactly how sugar may contribute to deadly heart problems, but it has been shown to increase blood pressure and levels of unhealthy cholesterol and triglycerides; and also may increase signs of inflammation linked with heart disease, said Rachel Johnson, head of the American Heart Association's nutrition committee and a University of Vermont nutrition professor.

Yang and colleagues analyzed national health surveys between 1988 and 2010 that included questions about people's diets. The authors used national death data to calculate risks of dying during 15 years of follow-up.

Overall, more than 30,000 American adults aged 44 on average were involved.

Previous studies have linked diets high in sugar with increased risks for non-fatal heart problems, and with obesity, which can also lead to heart trouble. But in the new study, obesity didn't explain the link between sugary diets and death. That link was found even in normal-weight people who ate lots of added sugar.

"Too much sugar does not just make us fat; it can also make us sick," said Laura Schmidt, a health policy specialist at the University of California, San Francisco. She wrote an editorial accompanying the study in Monday's JAMA Internal Medicine.

The researchers focused on sugar added to processed foods or drinks, or sprinkled in coffee or cereal. Even foods that don't taste sweet have added sugar, including many brands of packaged bread, tomato sauce and salad dressing. Naturally occurring sugar, in fruit and some other foods, wasn't counted.

Most health experts agree that too much sugar isn't healthy, but there is no universal consensus on how much is too much.

U.S government dietary guidelines issued in 2010 say "empty" calories including those from added sugars should account for no more than 15 percent of total daily calories.

The average number of daily calories from added sugar among U.S. adults was about 15 percent toward the end of the study, slightly lower than in previous years.

The authors divided participants into five categories based on sugar intake, from less than 10 percent of daily calories — the safest amount — to more than 25 percent.

Most adults exceed the safest level; and for 1 in 10 adults, added sugar accounts for at least 25 percent of daily calories, the researchers said.

The researchers had death data on almost 12,000 adults, including 831 who died from heart disease during the 15-year follow-up. They took into account other factors known to contribute to heart problems, including smoking, inactivity and excess weight, and still found risks for sugar.

As sugar intake increased, risks climbed steeply.

Adults who got at least 25 percent of their calories from added sugar were almost three times more likely to die of heart problems than those who consumed the least — less than 10 percent.

For those who got more than 15 percent — or the equivalent of about two cans of sugary soda out of 2,000 calories daily — the risk was almost 20 percent higher than the safest level.

Sugar calories quickly add up: One teaspoon has about 16 calories; one 12-ounce can of non-diet soda contains has about 9 teaspoons of sugar or about 140 calories; many cinnamon rolls have about 13 teaspoons of sugar; one scoop of chocolate ice cream has about 5 teaspoons of sugar.

Dr. Jonathan Purnell, a professor at Oregon Health & Science University's Knight Cardiovascular Institute, said while the research doesn't prove "sugar can cause you to die of a heart attack", it adds to a growing body of circumstantial evidence suggesting that limiting sugar intake can lead to healthier, longer lives.

Yep

High blood sugar is dangerous.

Quickly metabolized BS (not high carbs) is fine in small amounts.

No berries? Blueberries and Strawberries FTW son!

Schnozberries?

Are we talking sugar or HFCS or both?is there a difference?

Good luck.

Everything you buy at the store either contains sugar (causes heart disease), corn syrup (causes heart disease and diabetes), or some artificial sweetener (causes cancer, thyroid disease, liver disease, and has many yet-to-be-discovered side effects).

The only way to completely be healthy is to eat nothing from a store or restaurant.

Good luck with that.

Some of the links from my 'diabetes' file may be useful to you folks - even if you don't need to know all this RIGHT NOW, you may find a 'diet tip' or 2 to help. Long story short, if you don't lose the weight your chances of becoming type 2 diabetic are about 95% these days, thanks to our current crop of food additives, our lack of walking, etc...grow it and eat it, move it or lose it.

This fellow wrote a book called 'wheat belly' about losing wheat from your diet - he was interested in how sugar affected his cardiac patients and found that wheat was not good for 'em either. His blog has some good info - get the book from the lie-berry
http://www.wheatbellyblog.com/

Some low glycemic foods - the 'glycemic index' shows how much the various sugars/chemistry of foods affects our body (mostly what gets into the blood and how fast it hits
http://type1diabetes.about.com/od/fo...Superfoods.htm

http://www.stumbleupon.com/su/1MqdI1...a-infographic/

Linus Pauling won a bunch of Nobel prizes for his work w/vitamin C - here's some info on 'micro-nutrients' that may affect what you eat, what vitamins you choose to take. It pays to have a clue on this stuff if you're already sick...and it might keep you from getting sick if you're not
http://lpi.oregonstate.edu/infocenter/

This fellow is the best diabetic writer I've found, for explaining stuff easy enough to understand the danged chemistry we're forced to live by as we lose weight
http://www.mendosa.com/
http://www.healthcentral.com/diabete...ng-blood-sugar

And here's some info on 'too much fruit sugar' the site owner is semi-nutso IMHO but not completely nuts so I read his stuff but bring an extra grain of salt, so to speak
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/ar...y-18-2010.aspx

I've been on a whole food diet for close to 3 years now. It's not that hard, but it is hella expensive.

If it comes in a bag or a box I don't eat it. The exception is that I often chow down on cheese.

Me at the store - produce section, meat, dairy, checkout, loan officer, car.

The closest whole food store is nearly 60 miles away, making it that much more expensive. It's just really not an option for a family of 5. We do as much fresh produce as possible and we buy our meat locally and have it processed locally.

At the end of the day, breathing causes cancer though so I don't see spending so much time and money on food when we're all gonna die anyway.

Ive read reports of people beating cancer by removing all sugar from their diet. Supposedly cancer can not grow with out it and will die on its own eventually once the fuel(sugar) is removed.

My dad has an older medical book that makes these claims and were backed up by lab tests. When I was younger I thought it was all hogwash, but the older you get the more you see how everything works including the medical industry.
I certainly wouldn't want to be the guinea pig to test this, but I think there is enough out there that proves you should limit refined sugars as much as possible regardless.

You don't have to go to Whole Foods to eat a whole food diet.

But it sounds like you're more than half way there anyway. Local meat is a great way to save and frozen produce might not be perfect but it's a shit ton better than a box of frankenfood that has 37 ingredients (none of which are actually food).

You should limit refined everything, not just sugar. ;)

We're working on eliminating GMO's right now.

I don't know if I should :doh!: or LMAO

I should have said "regular".

Of course, there are stores and restaurants that cater to health and health food.

Don't have many (or any really) around here though.

Are you shopping at gas stations? You don't have to be at a specialty store to find healthy food.

If I wasn't broke I would only buy from the good stores, but as it is, I buy the cheap shit, and I try to get the stuff with the least amount of sugar in it as possible and I don't really eat sweets at all.

The best we got is Hy Vee Health Market. They have a limited selection and some of it is pretty ****ing expensive.

Outside of the Health Market, 90% of the store is pre-packaged shit with 35 ingredients a chemist created. The produce comes from South America and the meat is loaded with hormones and artificial preservatives and colors.

Yeah, that's what we do too. Fruits, veggies, that kind of stuff.

My diet is horrid. I eat potato chips for breakfast.

You don't need the health market. Hy Vee has organic fruits & veggies and meat that is free of hormones. That's where we get a lot of our stuff.

More people than ever are living long and healthy lives eating bad food. It's almost as if the dangers are ridiculously overhyped.


Oh, wait...

I started to cut down on all wheat products. Whenever possible, I buy gluten free. When I can avoid it, I do.

It's helped me tremendously. I went from always feeling acid backup in my throat to feeling really good.

I'm not on Atkins, but I've been cutting carbs for about the last year and a half. Very little sugar, no desserts. I do eat some bread, but when I do its wheat only and limit the portons. NO pasta or rice.

Friday night beer night is not real conducive to cutting sugar, but damn it tough to quit beer all together! I look foward to unwinding with a few brewskis on Friday.

I've lost 50 lbs since last April through reduced portions, carb control and exercise. I use Fibit to track miles walked and stairs climbed.

Haha. I guess I'm not that committed to this.

I still drink way too much. My friend is moving to cider or scotch after having some health problems. But even just cutting down on gluten outside of beer has helped immensely.

Hey need Cliffs. I drink 2 cans of sugar free energy drinks a day.

Am I gonna shrivel up and die? Whats the consensus? Thanks

Donr judge me

Yeah the drinking really throws a kink in a healthy lifestyle.

I used to drink Fridays and Saturdays, but I've cut back to Fridays only for the last couple of months. I make sure I use the treadmill for an hour before I start imbibing as well.

I doubt I'd ever switch from beer to hard liquor though.

People say gluten makes you feel shitty. Not me.

I switched to whiskey. Seemed to work pretty well.

Great with a good cup of joe as well.

Are you sure about that?

Yeah, but try smoking marijuana and then not eating sugar. Pretty tough sell.

The big ones do. Ours doesn't. We just got a health market and they're expanding it all the time but the selection is still quite limited.