Respect.

I've only used your behavior against you. I've never once gone after your wife or family. The only time I mentioned your wife's illness was in response to you some time ago, earnestly asking, "Are you sure you're doing okay?"

Ask anybody on here, and most people will say my comments were in no way over the line. And I only used the apology thread line because you're twisting shit about me the way you want it to look. I'm just defending my reputation and slinging some of it back.

You must live in the same bubble as SDH.

You ****ing went off on me and called me a pedophile not two weeks ago because I disagreed with you.

You're ****ed up, Dude.

And here I was thinking that for the third time in a decade that the Chiefs will enter Week 2 with a win that we could be civil to each other.

But no. We've chosen to rehash the same arguments that have played out over the last four years just so one side can say that their way was right all along and that the other side were a bunch of idiots.


Message boards can be really ****ing insane.

From the mouth of Clark Hunt.

"Whether it's this year or another year, if we have a shot at somebody we think can be a franchise quarterback, I would expect us to take him ... That presumes we don't already have one on the roster, and right now, I don't think we know that

http://www.realfootball365.com/articles/chiefs/7651
Both Edwards and owner Clark Hunt have made it clear that one of their primary goals is for the Chiefs to develop a franchise quarterback

http://www.accessnorthga.com/detail.php?n=205952&c=3
Hunt said this week that one demand he was making in the wake of a disappointing 4-12 record was that the club develop a young quarterback.


On how much Clark involves himself in football operations:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2715831
Clark Hunt says he'll run the Kansas City Chiefs with the same hands-off policy that characterized his father's ownership.

"We have people in the organization to make those decisions," the 41-year-old Hunt said after the Chiefs beat Jacksonville 35-30 Sunday in their first home game after the death of his father.

"The reason we hire a football person is so they can make the decisions."
We try to stay out of it," Clark Hunt said of football operations.

"Like anybody, we have an opinion. But I would tell the guys our opinion doesn't matter. It's yours.

Im sorry, did I just nuke the very foundation of your belief system.

Dont worry, I dont expect any of you to admit it.

Actions speak much more clearly and loudly than words. In that light, the course of this discussion can only change when the franchise demonstrates that what they do matches what they say. Until that time, there's just nothing to base the contention that there's any change in direction with regards to the QB position. It's only faith, on your part. And that's fine. I, however, require something more concrete than that. I need to see change. Hearing about it just isn't enough.

IMO, if the Hunt family vis a vis Clark made the decision for a retread QB instead of drafting one, then it would be this season only to the fact Clark is conscious to the fact that there aren't a lot of productive years left for the core of the team.

Pioli thought he could outsmart the league by trotting out Cassel. Herm/Kuharich/Carl might have very well drafted Matt Ryan, but I doubt we'd have seen the type of production that Atlanta got from him.

Beyond that you have Carl working under Lamar and through Gunther (overrated) and Marty who appears to have learned his "lesson" in retread QBs through playing Philip Rivers..

Dane McCloud playing the martyr? Color me surprised... Grow up man. If you can't take the heat, get out of the kitchen.

It's over, let it lye.

So then IYO Clark would prefer a 30 yr old retread vet over developing a young FQB, and just said that shit cause....****, I dont know, give me a reason why he would say that.

The "heat"?

Look in the mirror, cockbag.

N b4 "Asses in seats"

Over?

It's just beginning.

I don't take this shit personally. Why should I? First of all, no here even knows me. Second of all, we're all just a bunch of amateurs making educated guesses at best. Quit flooding the forum with your weeping vag.

Your call man......you know I'm not here to interfere.

A Young Franchise QB would sell out the gold section.

Clark is a cheap ass tightwad too.
Remember that one?

LMAO

Again, look in the mirror, dickface.

I'm not the one that hitched my wagons at 1.1 to someone that was unworthy of 1.1.

That would be you.

Try again, Child.

Too much damage has been done.

It's time to let it ride!

:D

Then **** shit up, I know how that goes.

I actually do think the franchise would prefer a 30 year old retread vet over developing a young franchise quarterback.

Want to know why I believe that?

Because that's what they've done to date. When they do something else, then I'll know something else...

Think about it this way: that's Hunt talking - in 2008 - about how he wants to develop a franchise quarterback. Flash forward to 2013 - 5 years later - how many times have we actually done it? Which FQB, as you put it, has this team tried to develop? Because what I see so far are Matt Cassel coming on board in 2009 and now Alex Smith coming on board in 2013.

As far as Hunt being "hands off," as he says in your article from 7 years ago, the reality is that he's admitted, since Reid's hire, that he's learned from his handling of Pioli and Haley, and that he's going to be more hands on from this point forward. Beginning with Reid reporting not to the GM, but to him, directly. Reid runs the coaching side, Dorsey runs the personnel side, Donovan runs the business side and they all report directly to Clark. That's how things are being run today.

That does not mean that Clark makes personnel decisions, but he most definitely is involved, and that does include which direction they go on high draft picks (whether it's using them or trading them).

In all seriousness, if SNR gets "drunk" and is allowed by the mods and owner to say the shit he said, all bets are off.

I let it slide a few weeks back but it's clear that he isn't going to back off.

This isn't 2011 and the reason I left then is no longer an issue. If this is the path my "detractors" choose to take, I'm more than happy to oblige.

It's not my first choice but then again, I ain't the one that started it.

Do what ya gotta do. I'm sitting next to a topless slut sipping Stoli and killing the night.....I just know you to be above this shit. SNR has always seemed a good dude to me barring his baseless comments to you tonight.

Thank the heavens for Romania

:D And Scottsdale.

o:-)

Good Post
I can see where you are coming from.

Was going to say, that the mistake he made, was trusting his execs too much.
He actually said that developing a young franchise QB is the only path to success in this league. I can find the article where he says almost that exact statement if you like.

Carl and Herm thought Croyle was a potential FQB.....and he listened, although a you saw in that post, that Clark stated he wasnt sure they had one yet.
That was the first attempt at developing a YFQB.
Development #1.Croyle.Fail...Carls fault.


He trusted Pioli....and he burned him.
Cassel was Piolis guy, and he believed in late round Qbs....enter Stanzi. Development #2.Stanzi.Fail...Piolis fault.

Reid wanted to hit the ground running.
I dont blame him, but he has made it clear Smith was his call.
Smith is not young, developing, or a franchise QB.
He is no doubt here to win games.
But he is not the young stud that Clark has repeatedly says he wants, and I dont think its a coincidence that Clark brought in guys with a track record of drafting and developing QBs.

Herm came here and did what he does.

Pioli came in and acted like they always knew who they were picking in Brady, and that he could do it again.

I fully expect these guys to do what they have always done, and that is not pass on FQBs in the draft.

You have serious reading comprehension issues. Either that or you feel so strongly you have to get the last word to win, that you are willing to respond in a completely non-sequitur fashion. In any case, you are an intolerable ass who is unwilling/unable to actually address the issue at hand. As a result you are compelled to sling elementary school comebacks like "I'm rubber and you're glue, dickface!" and addressing people as "Child" like you are Chad Johnson/Ochocinco or something.
LMAO

Oh and yea, I whiffed on Geno's draft prospects. On the other hand, I actually took the time to watch a couple football games, form an opinion, and distribute it here on this foootball forum. Meanwhile, all dane mccloud does is routinely make a miserable ass of himself trying to make himself out to be a martyr while providing no worthwhile discussion. Get lost, son.

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No you didn't.

Hell those statements contradict themselves.


He is going to insist on developing a young qb. but he's going to be hands off and his opinion isn't what matters because he hours football people to make those decisions.


He talked in a circle.
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Geno could be good a year or two from now...but Smith is a win now QB who is underrated and is experienced lead an NFL team far. Would to see him stick it to the 49ers. He handled that whole situation like a gentleman too. I like Smith alot!

This was a semi civil thread until the past couple pages...
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Really? This place was really pumped up over Tyler Bray after the Packers preseason game.

I don't think that is true at all. And no one can honestly tell me, although some will try, (clay, sdh) that there is a big enough difference in ceilings to say that having Bray, opposed to having Geno is a big deal.

Its not. The difference is that while Bray gets to take the Aaron Rodgers route, Geno Smith is having to go the Alex Smith, David Carr, Joey Harrington, Ryan Leaf route of being the guy far too soon, even though they weren't ready to do so.

If I am not mistaken, Geno Smith was passed by the jets not once, but TWICE in the first round?

Dee Milliner, and then Sheldon Richardson? So he was their 3rd option?

Yet, he is a starter, and people are freaking out over a bad game.

Where as Chiefs fans are upset because they don't take risks with qbs.

Isnt Bray a risk? Sure, hes going to sit for a minimum of a year, probably two, but if you can win now, and groom your qb, isn't that like the ultimate situation?

And, last point. If Alex Smith does indeed fail, and the Chiefs end up with a high pick in the top 10, they can draft a qb to compete with Bray.

Seems like a pretty sound strategy to me.

When someone is accused of something that's very serious and completely overreacts a d acts all psycho, what does that almost always mean?

Seriously? What is wrong with you?

Biggest asshole in planet history.

Slap a muzzle on once in awhile.

I'd still be employed after taking Josh Freeman.

Teaming him with Bowe, Charles and this defense would make Arrowhead electric.

Sorry folks, I can't let this shit go.

Did I call you a pedophile because you posted something I disagreed with, Dane? Hmm? Is that what happened?

Or did I use it as a trollish insult when you were the first one to play nasty? I don't remember what it was, but you probably called me a ****. That's one of your old standbys. Wouldn't you say that a trollish and baseless insult like "pedophile" is just fine in that case? No, of course you wouldn't. But I thought it was.

The last few pages show some embarrassing behavior by both of us, and it's a ****ing dumpster fire for onlookers. There's a reason why I put on our truce, and it wasn't to protect my feelings from big mean Dane who wants to set the record straight, as much as you'd like to believe it. It was to prevent this very ****ing thing from happening and derailing threads off into petty "he said this" bickering. I proposed it for the good of the forum, and not for either of us.

You're the one who couldn't handle it and broke it, and I'm not one to take shit, so thus, you have the last few pages and what happened last night.

I would leave this alone if it weren't for these bullshit lies you're spreading about me, especially this one about being a drunk all the time on Chiefs Planet. I can count on one hand the number of times that's happened in my 11 years here on this forum. The incident you speak of was a case where I legitimately read somebody's comment too quickly and misinterpreted what they said. I joked about it later and said, "Ha, I really had too much to drink on my birthday." Know how I can prove it was a joke? It happened a couple days AFTER my birthday.

I don't even remember the last time I've posted drunk on this forum. Well over a year ago for sure. That's no worse than any other person, and when it does happen I do NOT look back and say, "Oh, sorry guys. I wasn't in control of my posting. Hee hee hee." I rarely post anything I regret when that happens.

If you want Dane, I'm willing to put the truce back on. For the good of the rest of the forum. But if you agree to it, I expect you to ****ing observe it, no matter how much YOU disagree with shit I say about QBs, the Chiefs, the draft, or anything else. Go ahead and try to use facts, but just know that I'm the type of poster that does NOT take insults lightly. I don't ignore them, and most of the time I'll come back after being insulted at a level much higher than what was delivered at me. And know that if you feel like continuing to spread lies and warped truths about me around this place, I'm going to follow you around and clean up your messes while taking extra potshots at you. Because I don't tolerate people going after my reputation when it's not deserved.

So what do you say? Sorry for calling you a pedophile and harassing you about your apology thread. I'll do my best to just ignore you in the future if I can't say something nice.

Handshake?

Is Dane banned?

wow, ok guys. its just football, its supposed to be an escape

lets all just play nice and agree geno sucks and move on

He has been saying over the top things like that to people for months. Most of the time, its over a simple disagreement in a football discussion. At one point, I repeatedly told him to get some help because as a friend (at the time) I was genuinely concerned about his well being.

At one point, he took a step back and realized he was going too far and created an apology thread to a few of us. He cooled off for about a week (maybe less) before returning to doing it even more.

After doing so, he pulls the martyr card and acts completely innocent as if he did nothing wrong and does it again and again.

Here's the troubling thing about it...

People on here sling insults all the time...but almost every time those are just a passing joke to each other that shows disagreement.

Dane says things he genuinely hopes to happen.

He is trying to use this place as his vent and I genuinely hope the guy starts some form of counseling or support group because comments like those are extremely unhealthy in a mental health kinda way.

Why all the angst? Bray could be "that" franchise qb some are thinking should be chanced upon in every draft. So we have Smith right now, with Bray in the wings. No matter the "how" this transpired it is fact. Just seems like a win/win for the whole situation.

LMAO I seriously doubt that.

Final point and I'm going to bow out.

The fanbase is excited about Bray because he carries no risk. He's a UDFA. He doesn't work out, nothing lost.

I guarantee people wouldn't have the same feelings for Bray had we taken him in the 1st or 2nd round. Because then he's "risky".

It's all about risk with the fanbase. People claim that the wrong QB sets the franchise back a decade. Meanwhile, taking the wrong 5-tech, WR, Safety or NT is no big deal.

People can argue all they want, but the numbers don't lie. Want to win a Super Bowl? Draft a QB in the first 32 picks - by far the best odds. Yes, pocket aces can get cracked, but I'll take them every hand over 8-3 offsuit and take my chances.

Exactly right.

And then they try to justify it because "he might have been projected one overall this year".


Lmao, and I'm a bray fan
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We're all guilty of doing this to some extent, but Dane's "SNR gets drunk and posts vile things on the Planet and gets away with it" shtick is absolutely a warped truth that he's been pushing and pushing. And I'm not going to put up with it. At least I don't actually believe that Dane is a pedophile. Dane saw my joke weeks ago in ONE post that nobody even noticed and is now spreading this narrative about how I do this kind of shit all the time.

I don't know what his motive is, but it seems to me like he has a shitty piece of evidence for something, so he'd love nothing more than to spread that around about me. I.E. the reality he HOPES is true.

The guy shares that his wife was fighting cancer and choses to tell SNR that he hopes his wife gets cancer and dies from it in front of his eyes.

Yeah, that screams "healthy mindset"

I'm excited about Bray because of what I saw when he played in preseason; not because he carries no risk. What others may or may not like about Bray, and their reasons, I would not hazard a guess.

If you truly want a truce with Dane, send him a fruit basket or something. I'm sure you can find his address on a sex offenders registry somewhere.

:Poke:

Dane might take this place a touch too seriously.

There's a lot of ****ed up shit going on around here lately.

This thread is never going to die.

meanwhile, rape is HILARIOUS

:rolleyes:

sad, but true.

I have an assult causing bodily injury charge on my permanent record because of how "unfunny" I think rape is.

Now, if someone were to come on here and say "I hope your wife gets raped"...that would obviously be something that I would also count as "unhealthy" and would warrant a vacation from the site.

Perhaps, but I'm about ready to bring back the Romper room for these dick measuring contests.

You know what? **** you. You're the mother****er that started this shit.

Pull up your pants little man, because it's ON.

More 1st round QB's have won SB's because typically the more talented players, gasp, go in the 1st round than later rounds.

Geno went in the 2nd round, therefore he isn't as talented as a typical 1st round QB. By this tried and true logic Geno is less likely to win a SB.

We dodged a bullet.

This is crazy talk!

I know we hated the idea of developing Croyle! The fan base just despised him didn't they.

QFT

People don't want to take a chance on a QB first or second round so our reward is 0 wins in the playoffs 20 years. Thanks Carl for neutering this franchise fan base.

What's wrong with me? Well, for one, I'm sick and ****ing tired of people calling me a "pedophile" when they're backed into a corner. It's ****ing untrue and just plain stupid.

Furthermore, it appears to me that if shit like that can be said with absolutely no repercussions, I'll say whatever the **** I want right back.

It's absolutely ridiculous that rape and pedophilia are common insults around here but since those are the rules, I don't see any reason why I should hold back when those type of insults are hurled my way.

Do you?

Dane, once again, do you think it's a coincidence this type of shit happens to you and mostly you only? Do you even read your posts after you're done writing them to see if they sound sane or not?

inb4 banz

I clearly don't give a ****.

Why do you?

One more thing, Professor: How many times have you told people to "Die in a Fire"? "Get AIDS"?

I think it's more than a little disingenuous of you to finger point.

Who else has been called a pedophile?

IIRC, that originated because you told someone you would **** their daughter because you got into a heated discussion with them about football.

Exactly

No, that's not how it went down but that's okay, as I don't expect everyone in this forum to remember something that happened to someone else more than two years ago.

That is what happened, Dane.

You told someone that you would have a 3some with their wife and daughter.

No.

LMAO

Eh, I've called SNR a child ****er. In jest, of course.

Just like telling people to Kill yourself or Die in a Fire.

It's all in jest and shouldn't be taken seriously. I don't.

It's an interesting dynamic to me to watch people say some horrendous shit for shock value, and then turn around and get shocked when someone else says it. Clearly it's no holds barred, so don't take it too seriously, and don't be surprised when you get one upped. Welcome to the new culture of Chiefsplanet.

That's cause you're a douchebag who's so insecure you have to tell everybody how rich and famous you're. Intra web badass.

LMAO

Go ahead and link us to the posts in which I've claimed I'm famous or rich.

Unfortunately, this.

I don't have to. We've all seen it. Just like you're right that its 80 miles from temecula to San Diego. When driving to work everyday my odometer read 35. Buat youre always right.

That's some serious butthurt you've got going on there.

What's it been, five years?

The football version of 4chan gailey?

I thought it was no holes barred in DC only.
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Holds, sorry
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