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-King- 11-05-2013 08:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 10163809)
That's like putting an abused kid in a room with a pedo for therapy...

LMAO

GloryDayz 11-05-2013 08:27 PM

Martin......you ****ing pussy-ass redskin!




That'll toughen him up for sure...

ThaVirus 11-05-2013 08:30 PM

I just wish this mess happened to a more prominent franchise. I just can't find the give-a-**** to care that this is going to wreck the Dolphins.

Could you imagine the backlash if this were the Patriots or Broncos? Ah, a man can dream..

patteeu 11-05-2013 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10163803)
Incognito has been exonerated/patteeu.

Approaching Kotter territory. Is it just a thing with teachers?

Carlota69 11-05-2013 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 10163783)
Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN 1m
Wow ... RT @dkurtenbach: Dolphins coaches ordered *Richie* Incognito to "toughen up" Jonathan Martin. http://touch.sun-sentinel.com/#secti.../p2p-78065907/

Rut row, Miami is ****ed!!!!!!

Brock 11-05-2013 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 10163783)
Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN 1m
Wow ... RT @dkurtenbach: Dolphins coaches ordered *Richie* Incognito to "toughen up" Jonathan Martin. http://touch.sun-sentinel.com/#secti.../p2p-78065907/

Welp, there you go. That franchise is completely ****ed.

patteeu 11-05-2013 09:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 10163991)
Welp, there you go. That franchise is completely ****ed.

Yep. It doesn't look good for them.

OrtonsPiercedTaint 11-05-2013 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by patteeu (Post 10162828)
Stanford isn't Ivy League. You're thinking of the FB from Yale.

:(


Quote:

Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 10163783)
Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN 1m
Wow ... RT @dkurtenbach: Dolphins coaches ordered *Richie* Incognito to "toughen up" Jonathan Martin. http://touch.sun-sentinel.com/#secti.../p2p-78065907/

Jonathan Martin is now the owner of the LA Dolphins

tk13 11-05-2013 09:34 PM

Not surprising. Well it is... but Miami has been a circus under Ross, this kind of takes it to a new level though. They have never appeared to have solid leadership at any level.

DaneMcCloud 11-05-2013 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 10164132)
Not surprising. Well it is... but Miami has been a circus under Ross, this kind of takes it to a new level though. They have never appeared to have solid leadership at any level.

They need to lean on Gloria Estefan, Marc Anthony, the Williams' sisters and Fergie a little more

O.city 11-05-2013 09:43 PM

He ordered a code red?

Eleazar 11-05-2013 09:46 PM

Did anyone figure out why we should be outraged yet?

Hold on, I'm gonna go turn on ESPN, I'm sure they will tell me.

Rausch 11-05-2013 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10164191)
Did anyone figure out why we should be outraged yet?

Hold on, I'm gonna go turn on ESPN, I'm sure they will tell me.

An NFL team was run poorly and displayed no regard for the feelings of those they employed.














Like every other NFL team...

GloryDayz 11-05-2013 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city (Post 10164176)
He ordered a code red?

I see what you did there!

Eleazar 11-05-2013 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rausch (Post 10164200)
An NFL team was run poorly and displayed no regard for the feelings of those they employed.














Like every other NFL team...

Sounds like my job

ChiliConCarnage 11-05-2013 10:55 PM

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Sources say that communication took place when Martin skipped two days of the team's OTA program, and Incognito was encouraged by his coaches to make a call that would "get him into the fold," one source said.

Even though OTA workouts are voluntary, the NFL culture forces coaches to strong arm the team's leaders to make sure everyone attends. Sources say Incognito was doing his job, but they admit he crossed the line.
:LOL:

Yeah, maybe just a smidge.. Nothing would make me want to hop on an airplane and join my teammates like one of them telling me he was going to shit in my mouth and kill me!

I can only assume the coaches were thinking Incognito would guilt trip him with some you're a selfish pussy who is making this team worse type stuff.

Just Passin' By 11-05-2013 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 10163027)
Your user name should be changed to Just Another reerun

You're still as much an idiot as you've always been.

chiefzilla1501 11-05-2013 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10164191)
Did anyone figure out why we should be outraged yet?

Hold on, I'm gonna go turn on ESPN, I'm sure they will tell me.

Incognito wasn't hazing Martin. He was harassing him, inside and outside the facilities. To his own ****ing teammate. On the same offensive line he plays on.

chiefzilla1501 11-05-2013 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10164278)
Sounds like my job

Yeah, I'm sure what happened here is exactly like your job. I'm really sorry about that $15,000 flight you had to pay for our coworkers' trip to Vegas.

Rausch 11-05-2013 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10164278)
Sounds like my job

http://persephonemagazine.com/wp-con...fist-bumps.gif

Dylan 11-06-2013 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsandO'sfan (Post 10163783)
Ralph Vacchiano ‏@RVacchianoNYDN 1m
Wow ... RT @dkurtenbach: Dolphins coaches ordered *Richie* Incognito to "toughen up" Jonathan Martin. http://touch.sun-sentinel.com/#secti.../p2p-78065907/

No wonder Martin didn't go to management with his concerns.

Hope the Dolphins enjoys paying out a huge settlement.

Dylan 11-06-2013 12:29 AM

http://ll-media.tmz.com/2013/11/05/1...o-splash-3.jpg

Richie Incognito had a brand new black Ferrari delivered to his Miami home this morning ...



Hope you enjoy it before turning it over to Martin.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/99...chie-incognito

lcarus 11-06-2013 01:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Brock (Post 10163991)
Welp, there you go. That franchise is completely ****ed.

I almost feel bad for the fans and people within the organization that had nothing to do with this. For the Dolphins franchise to be "completely ****ed" over something so silly and stupid...I've never seen anything like it on the pro level. And of course the non-stop 24/7 sports news is blowing their load over it. This is why I stay away from sports radio, ESPN, NFL Network, and all that stuff. Better to just watch the games. And hell, not even watch the halftime show because that little twit Costas will come on and preach some bullshit.

This is one of the most ridiculous stories I've ever seen. Who gives a shit.

Carlota69 11-06-2013 07:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Dylan (Post 10164623)
http://ll-media.tmz.com/2013/11/05/1...o-splash-3.jpg

Richie Incognito had a brand new black Ferrari delivered to his Miami home this morning ...



Hope you enjoy it before turning it over to Martin.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/99...chie-incognito

I have a feeling that article was written before it came out that The coaches had Incognito toughen him up? Because now, Martin can sue them too. PAYDAY!!!!!!

Eleazar 11-06-2013 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10164538)
Yeah, I'm sure what happened here is exactly like your job. I'm really sorry about that $15,000 flight you had to pay for our coworkers' trip to Vegas.

"had to", hmmm?

Otter 11-06-2013 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10164191)
Did anyone figure out why we should be outraged yet?

Hold on, I'm gonna go turn on ESPN, I'm sure they will tell me.

I was trying really hard to give a shit but left a wet fart and gave up.

Dayze 11-06-2013 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Dylan (Post 10164623)
http://ll-media.tmz.com/2013/11/05/1...o-splash-3.jpg

Richie Incognito had a brand new black Ferrari delivered to his Miami home this morning ...



Hope you enjoy it before turning it over to Martin.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/99...chie-incognito

is that an F12?

no way a dick/douch like that deserved to drive such a piece of engineering art.

blaise 11-06-2013 08:35 AM

Now's the time when the media and social media cry and rant until the Dolphins offer up a sacrifice from the coaching staff or front office.

lcarus 11-06-2013 08:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 10164877)
is that an F12?

no way a dick/douch like that deserved to drive such a piece of engineering art.

Sadly, those are almost always the types of people that DO get to drive them/own them.

nychief 11-06-2013 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by blaise (Post 10164881)
Now's the time when the media and social media cry and rant until the Dolphins offer up a sacrifice from the coaching staff or front office.

stupid ol' media.


(kicks rocks)

bein' all reasonable...

(mumbles under breath)

WhiteWhale 11-06-2013 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Dylan (Post 10164623)
http://ll-media.tmz.com/2013/11/05/1...o-splash-3.jpg

Richie Incognito had a brand new black Ferrari delivered to his Miami home this morning ...



Hope you enjoy it before turning it over to Martin.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/99...chie-incognito

If he never wants to play in the NFL again, he can sue away.

If he wants to continue to play there or elsewhere, he'll probably want to work something out behind closed doors.

blaise 11-06-2013 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by nychief (Post 10164888)
stupid ol' media.


(kicks rocks)

bein' all reasonable...

(mumbles under breath)

Yeah. They know all the facts, I'm sure. Better fire everyone.

lcarus 11-06-2013 08:59 AM

I just can't believe this story is for real happening in the NFL. Bullying. In the NFL. Between 2 adult 300 lb offensive linemen. Hard to wrap my head around that.

Dayze 11-06-2013 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 10164885)
Sadly, those are almost always the types of people that DO get to drive them/own them.

yeah; you're probably right :shake:

lcarus 11-06-2013 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Dayze (Post 10164937)
yeah; you're probably right :shake:

One of these days, Dayze. One of these days. We'll get our own super sweet car. Or have a cool dream about getting one....:(

Nzoner 11-06-2013 09:17 AM

I've been on a work deadline and had very little time to keep up with this so if this has been asked my apologies,but how the hell did this kid make it this far if he's a big pvssy?

Dayze 11-06-2013 09:22 AM

I'd seriously let someone cut off my pinky toe with a steak knife to have a car like that.

Radar Chief 11-06-2013 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10164191)
Did anyone figure out why we should be outraged yet?

Hold on, I'm gonna go turn on ESPN, I'm sure they will tell me.

Be sure to stay tuned because it'll change hour to hour.

Dayze 11-06-2013 09:31 AM

so, what's Tebow's take on all of this?

Chiefshrink 11-06-2013 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by lcarus (Post 10164925)
I just can't believe this story is for real happening in the NFL. Bullying. In the NFL. Between 2 adult 300 lb offensive linemen. Hard to wrap my head around that.

and why your good common sense is questioning this, however, remember we live in a country now where political correctness (hatred of America created by the Marxist Dem party that attempts to control "We The People") RULES !!

Again, I say IF Ritchie Incognito is black is this a HUGE Nat'l story ?????

NOPE !! It becomes a small sports footnote blip on the NFL network and ESPN because it's just one bro giving another bro 'the business':rolleyes:

chiefzilla1501 11-06-2013 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10164833)
"had to", hmmm?

You've apparently never been hazed before. You think he has a choice?

I already told you the Ryan leaf story. He refused to pay the teams exorbitant dinner and seau wrestled his credit card away. Then he popped leaf hard in practice to send a message. Dez refused to do the same and complained about carrying Roy Williams stuff and got blasted on social media for it.

You are blind if you don't think it's a huge problem that veteran players are using locker room pressure to force rookies to take money out of their own pocket to pay for BS.

chiefzilla1501 11-06-2013 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 10165032)
and why your good common sense is questioning this, however, remember we live in a country now where political correctness (hatred of America created by the Marxist Dem party that attempts to control "We The People") RULES !!

Again, I say IF Ritchie Incognito is black is this a HUGE Nat'l story ?????

NOPE !! It becomes a small sports footnote blip on the NFL network and ESPN because it's just one bro giving another bro 'the business':rolleyes:

This was huge news before anybody knew it was incognito specifically doing the harassing.

nychief 11-06-2013 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 10165032)
and why your good common sense is questioning this, however, remember we live in a country now where political correctness (hatred of America created by the Marxist Dem party that attempts to control "We The People") RULES !!

Again, I say IF Ritchie Incognito is black is this a HUGE Nat'l story ?????

NOPE !! It becomes a small sports footnote blip on the NFL network and ESPN because it's just one bro giving another bro 'the business':rolleyes:

Either you have finely-tuned sense of sarcasm or you're just a run of the mill moron? Which is it?

Skyy God 11-06-2013 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by nychief (Post 10165045)
Either you have finely-tuned sense of sarcasm or you're just a run of the mill moron? Which is it?

I can assure you this is not sarcasm.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chiefshrink (Post 10165032)
and why your good common sense is questioning this, however, remember we live in a country now where political correctness (hatred of America created by the Marxist Dem party that attempts to control "We The People") RULES !!

Again, I say IF Ritchie Incognito is black is this a HUGE Nat'l story ?????

NOPE !! It becomes a small sports footnote blip on the NFL network and ESPN because it's just one bro giving another bro 'the business':rolleyes:

Please go away. KTHXBAI.

DaneMcCloud 11-06-2013 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by nychief (Post 10165045)
Either you have finely-tuned sense of sarcasm or you're just a run of the mill moron? Which is it?

It's most definitely the latter

Skyy God 11-06-2013 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by tk13 (Post 10164132)
Not surprising. Well it is... but Miami has been a circus under Ross, this kind of takes it to a new level though. They have never appeared to have solid leadership at any level.

Cough.... Jeff Ireland.... cough.

Eleazar 11-06-2013 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10165040)
You've apparently never been hazed before. You think he has a choice?

I already told you the Ryan leaf story. He refused to pay the teams exorbitant dinner and seau wrestled his credit card away. Then he popped leaf hard in practice to send a message. Dez refused to do the same and complained about carrying Roy Williams stuff and got blasted on social media for it.

You are blind if you don't think it's a huge problem that veteran players are using locker room pressure to force rookies to take money out of their own pocket to pay for BS.

Of course I have, and I had a choice to play along or not, just like Martin did.

Was some Las Vegas airfare a huge financial hardship for him? He signed a 4 year, $4.7 million contract when he was drafted and he received a $1.9 million signing bonus.

Is it right that the rookies pay for this trip every year? Well, no, but if I'm the rookie and I just got paid $6 million, and the choice here is between building a relationship with the rest of the team by adhering to social conventions and respecting this tradition, going on a trip where everyone parties together and if this is going to help my career, I wouldn't make a huge issue of it. It's a business expense. It's like buying a set of golf clubs so you can play with the guys in the office at a new job. Even though I dont particularly enjoy golf if it helps my career get off to a good start, why not?

In any case, even if I decided not to go along with it and refused, and I received harrassment about it, I wouldn't quit over it.

Skyy God 11-06-2013 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10165116)
Of course I have, and I had a choice to play along or not, just like Martin did.

Was some Las Vegas airfare a huge financial hardship for him? He signed a 4 year, $4.7 million contract when he was drafted and he received a $1.9 million signing bonus.

Is it right that the rookies pay for this trip every year? Well, no, but if I'm the rookie and I just got paid $6 million, and the choice here is between building a relationship with the rest of the team by adhering to social conventions and respecting this tradition, going on a trip where everyone parties together and if this is going to help my career, I wouldn't make a huge issue of it. It's a business expense. It's like buying a set of golf clubs so you can play with the guys in the office at a new job. Even though I dont particularly enjoy golf if it helps my career get off to a good start, why not?

In any case, even if I decided not to go along with it and refused, and I received harrassment about it, I wouldn't quit over it.

Except the golf clubs are 10% of your after-tax salary....

LoneWolf 11-06-2013 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10165116)
It's a business expense. It's like buying a set of golf clubs so you can play with the guys in the office at a new job. Even though I dont particularly enjoy golf if it helps my career get off to a good start, why not?

The difference is that if you decided not to buy golf clubs, I doubt you'd receive a voice mail telling you that someone is going to slap your mouth, slap your mother, and shit in your mouth. If that did happen and you reported it, that employee would be fired that day.

oldandslow 11-06-2013 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by LoneWolf (Post 10165130)
The difference is that if you decided not to buy golf clubs, I doubt you'd receive a voice mail telling you that someone is going to slap your mouth, slap your mother, and shit in your mouth. If that did happen and you reported it, that employee would be fired that day.

This....I am sorry, but this is unacceptable behavior in any workplace, including the football locker room.

mdchiefsfan 11-06-2013 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud (Post 10159374)
I was going to say this as well.

Just because a guy is a football player doesn't mean he's a boxer or a nasty, angry human being.

Football is a sport in which most guys play by the rules. They're not "gladiators" trying to kill each other. While players throw around words like "battle" and "fight", etc. and so on, it's not in a literal context.

/Eric Winston

FYP :D

chiefzilla1501 11-06-2013 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10165116)
Of course I have, and I had a choice to play along or not, just like Martin did.

Was some Las Vegas airfare a huge financial hardship for him? He signed a 4 year, $4.7 million contract when he was drafted and he received a $1.9 million signing bonus.

Is it right that the rookies pay for this trip every year? Well, no, but if I'm the rookie and I just got paid $6 million, and the choice here is between building a relationship with the rest of the team by adhering to social conventions and respecting this tradition, going on a trip where everyone parties together and if this is going to help my career, I wouldn't make a huge issue of it. It's a business expense. It's like buying a set of golf clubs so you can play with the guys in the office at a new job. Even though I dont particularly enjoy golf if it helps my career get off to a good start, why not?

In any case, even if I decided not to go along with it and refused, and I received harrassment about it, I wouldn't quit over it.

I really can't stand when people say just because athletes make millions, that justifies fleecing them. 15,000 is a shitload of money. Whether that is half your salary or a percent of your salary. And no workplace should be that toxic where people go beyond harassing you outside of work. There is nothing right about this, whether at work or not at work. And no, I don't think this happens everywhere in the Nfl to this extent.

BIG_DADDY 11-06-2013 10:57 AM

So what we have here is a 6'5" 320 pound extremely athletic 24 year old man getting bullied? What am I missing?

notorious 11-06-2013 10:59 AM

For some reason this reminds me of the Sopranos scene where Pauly buys a bunch of extra food and drinks just to run up Christopher's tab and stick it to him.

SPATCH 11-06-2013 11:01 AM

I think there are some common sense boundaries for hazing/initiating and Richie Incognito ignored every single one of them.

There are always a few guys who have no idea how to handle a position of power.

ChiefRocka 11-06-2013 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY (Post 10165199)
So what we have here is a 6'5" 320 pound extremely athletic 24 year old man getting bullied? What am I missing?

Obvously you've never been to a Turkish prison...or maybe you have and just deleted it from memory.

Eleazar 11-06-2013 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10165193)
I really can't stand when people say just because athletes make millions, that justifies fleecing them. 15,000 is a shitload of money. Whether that is half your salary or a percent of your salary. And no workplace should be that toxic where people go beyond harassing you outside of work. There is nothing right about this, whether at work or not at work. And no, I don't think this happens everywhere in the Nfl to this extent.

Martin didn't have to participate. Sounds like he chose to.

Incognito is a toxic person and should be released. That doesn't explain why Martin had to be a pansy about it or why this is a story.

Backwards Masking 11-06-2013 11:13 AM

whatever happened to "sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me?"

HuskerPower 11-06-2013 11:15 AM

The question is who ordered the code red on Jonathan Martin.

TEX 11-06-2013 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Bowel Movement (Post 10165223)
whatever happened to "sticks and stones may break my bones but words can never hurt me?"

$$$ as in the MILLIONS Martin will receive for this > Money he would receive for trying to play...

TEX 11-06-2013 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10165220)
Martin didn't have to participate. Sounds like he chose to.

Incognito is a toxic person and should be released. That doesn't explain why Martin had to be a pansy about it or why this is a story.

:clap: This is exactly the case. Why quit???

SPATCH 11-06-2013 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10165220)
Martin didn't have to participate. Sounds like he chose to.

Incognito is a toxic person and should be released. That doesn't explain why Martin had to be a pansy about it or why this is a story.

Although I don't necessarily like the way you are framing your argument, I do agree with you that the correct course of action is most definitely NOT to quit.

Mr. Laz 11-06-2013 11:21 AM

people so anxious to make Martin the problem


human beings are such assholes

TEX 11-06-2013 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 10165242)
people so anxious to make Martin the problem


human beings are such assholes

I'm glad you're human so I don't have to call you an asshole...

SPATCH 11-06-2013 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 10165242)
people so anxious to make Martin the problem


human beings are such assholes

The Martin crucifiers are definitely in the wrong. Incognito is the villain here.

I, however, do not believe that quitting/running away should be viewed as noble or correct. I understand why Martin did it. Martin must have felt there was no other course of action. A lack of resolve/determination/resiliency

Eleazar 11-06-2013 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by the_spatula (Post 10165268)
Incognito is the villain here.

I, however, do not believe that quitting/running away should be viewed as noble or correct. ...A lack of resolve/determination/resiliency

That's what I am saying.

Incognito is just one of those people you fire because he's toxic. That doesn't make this a story.

Honestly, if the N-word hadn't appeared in those voicemails, this would have been a minor story, if a story at all.

Carlota69 11-06-2013 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by the_spatula (Post 10165268)
The Martin crucifiers are definitely in the wrong. Incognito is the villain here.

I, however, do not believe that quitting/running away should be viewed as noble or correct. I understand why Martin did it. Martin must have felt there was no other course of action. A lack of resolve/determination/resiliency

Especially if the one he should of gone to were behind it. Hard to go to your superiors about a problem at work if your superiors side with the person in question

patteeu 11-06-2013 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 10165242)
people so anxious to make Martin the problem


human beings are such assholes

Who is trying to make Martin the problem? I haven't really seen much of that at all. Sure there were people calling him a pussy early on, but alot of that seems to have subsided or at least taken on a tone of "both sides were wrong".

That said, without knowing more about what went on, it's way too early to determine that Martin made the right decisions at every point along the path.

Sure-Oz 11-06-2013 11:42 AM

http://thebiglead.com/2013/11/06/ric....IEEWxVXr.uxfs

Sure-Oz 11-06-2013 11:43 AM

Apparently Incognito is black now

Carlota69 11-06-2013 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 10165303)
Apparently Incognito is black now

In an honorable way too :rolleyes:

O.city 11-06-2013 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Sure-Oz (Post 10165295)

Just read that.


Apparently Martin wasn't fully accepted because his parents are lawyers and he went to Stanford.

TEX 11-06-2013 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cochise (Post 10165276)
That's what I am saying.

Incognito is just one of those people you fire because he's toxic. That doesn't make this a story.

Honestly, if the N-word hadn't appeared in those voicemails, this would have been a minor story, if a story at all.

Yep. If the "right" race angle wasn't present (white on black) this would not be much of a story. It wouldn't be much of a story if the angle was black on white either.

jspchief 11-06-2013 11:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 10165237)
:clap: This is exactly the case. Why quit???

Because he didn't want to continue to put up with the bullshit?

Everyone has their breaking point. Martin's may be significantly lower than that of the average NFL player. Is he a pussy for it? Yeah, he probably is in the minds of many.

But the reality is, these guys doing the hazing have to recognize where "all in good fun" goes beyond fun. So Martin is a pussy that can't take a joke? Then back the **** off and leave him alone.

TEX 11-06-2013 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the_spatula (Post 10165268)
The Martin crucifiers are definitely in the wrong. Incognito is the villain here.

I, however, do not believe that quitting/running away should be viewed as noble or correct. I understand why Martin did it. Martin must have felt there was no other course of action. A lack of resolve/determination/resiliency

True. I also feel Martin KNOWS that he can make a hell of a lot more $$$ when he sues the NFL / Dolphins over this, then he could playing football. He is a very smart individual. He's in over his head in every way in the NFL and he knows it. In a court of law, he's not.

chiefzilla1501 11-06-2013 11:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TEX (Post 10165315)
Yep. If the "right" race angle wasn't present (white on black) this would not be much of a story. It wouldn't be much of a story if the angle was black on white either.

This was a bug story well before it was clear incognito was the primary harasser

TEX 11-06-2013 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 10165317)
Because he didn't want to continue to put up with the bullshit?

Everyone has their breaking point. Martin's may be significantly lower than that of the average NFL player. Is he a pussy for it? Yeah, he probably is in the minds of many.

But the reality is, these guys doing the hazing have to recognize where "all in good fun" goes beyond fun. So Martin is a pussy that can't take a joke? Then back the **** off and leave him alone.

I agree with everything you're saying here.

Iowanian 11-06-2013 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by BIG_DADDY (Post 10165199)
So what we have here is a 6'5" 320 pound extremely athletic 24 year old man getting bullied? What am I missing?


He's a pussy.

Incognito is the prototype "big guy" asshole.

Perfect storm.

jspchief 11-06-2013 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TEX (Post 10165320)
True. I also feel Martin KNOWS that he can make a hell of a lot more $$$ when he sues the NFL / Dolphins over this, then he could playing football. He is a very smart individual. He's in over his head in every way in the NFL and he knows this. In a court of law, he's not.

We don't even know that legal action is being considered by Martin.

TEX 11-06-2013 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by jspchief (Post 10165336)
We don't even know that legal action is being considered by Martin.

We don't know there is life on other planets for sure yet either but...


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