Whatever, you go ahead and stick with Smiff and be wrong

I'm ready to join the modern NFL

I can live with watching a rookie take his job from him, and send his ass to the bench whilst I cackle with glee. Squee!

IN!
LMAO

Sadly I think we have gone as far as we can with Alex.
i am in favor of signing Foles trading or cutting Alex and drafting our future. And if the experts are correct and we have a 2 year window take our chances on Foles being what he was at Philadelphia again.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet" data-lang="en"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">NE had open receivers the entire game just like KC did the week before. Big difference Brady found them Smith missed them.Brady was lock in</p>&mdash; michael lombardi (@mlombardiNFL) <a href="https://twitter.com/mlombardiNFL/status/823715831548768256">January 24, 2017</a></blockquote> <script async src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

For the Alex lover(s?)... this is a few TV personalities now that have pointed this out.

Smith's days as the starter in KC are ending.

Very pleased that Smith is heading in to the "Cassel" era of his tenure in KC.

May the tears of Alexsexuals flow freely.

This came off snottier than intended to some extent, we'll try again tomorrow night

Its lights out for now, all

Awesomeness. That's great news....

What is there to prove by saying Brady > Smith? I don't think anyone's opinion changed last night. Nor does it change the fact that we are rolling with Smitty in 2017 and likely getting another 1st round bye. Can't wait to see what Dorsey does to improve this team along our front 7

So Smith is responsible for 5 dropped passes. And Smith gets no credit for tossing the rock to Kelce who led tight ends in yards. Good to know.

No.

What he's saying is Alex Smith missed a lot of open receivers.

Waits til end of season. Takes new stance. Proclaims self as correct. :clap:

Clearly Lombardi, Casserly, and any other credible analyst can see that Alex Smith fails to find or throw wide open big play opportunities. Not even hard throws often times, just simple chain movers like Brady did yesterday.

Sheesh man. When do you decide to see reality? Our QB is f**king holding us back. We just had the playmakers to cover it up with a good record on the defensive side of the ball and STs.

I know you're upset with the outcome of the Pitt game, but throwing the blame on Smith when he played a better game then Ben is a little overboard IMHO.

Still think you're a good dude even tho we've butt heads over the last couple of days.

Alex will again help lead us to a playoff spot and then another 1 and done in the playoffs unless we play a horrific QB bc all he does is lose in January.

Our only hope is getting a QB in the draft to take his place

It's not personal, and it's not about even just the playoff game, but if you really think about it the Chiefs won a number of games in spite of below average QB play. They lost a few because of it too, in large part.

Smith is a bridge QB, and we've been on the bridge for 4 years. It's time to step it up for the Chiefs and their QB situation.

How is 2013 (lose wild card), 2014 (miss playoffs) , 2015 (wild card game win) , and 2016 (first round bye) the same as each other? '1 and done' has only applied once here. Like do you understand sports terminology? Dur dur durrrr

Trent Green did a better job placing the ball in the numbers. Eddie Kennison wasn't a world beater but he got the job done and was a better WR in Kansas City than he was in Dungver because the quarterback made it easier for him to catch the ball.

Unlike Alex Smith who does not do a great job of ball placement and the receivers have to contort their bodies to catch it or make a spectacular catch. So yes there are too many drops but Alex Smith can also do a better job of ball placement so maybe there won't be so many drops?

Trent Green?

Good lord.

You sound like a high school girl spreading gossip around this place.

There were no complaints of dropped passes being a problem in 2015, so what's the deal with 2016? Well...Harris' targets went up but unfortunately has hands of stone. Maclin had mental setbacks despite his BEST reception rate of his career WITH Smith in 2015 (NFL leader in fewest dropped passes). Conley started out slow but recovered. Wilson still has alligator arms.

Kelce and Hill were quite stellar.

Your logic is unsubstantiated.

Yea he's talking about the same Trent Green that threw interceptions at twice the rate of Smith. More is better, remember??

You don't get it.

One and done means "one playoff game and done."

So it applies twice. Particularly since what happened twice in the 90s and twice more before Smith got here.

It's the Chiefs way.

Personally, I'm not sure it shouldn't apply three times. Being Brian Hoyer and then falling flat on your face against the big boys is nothing that should ever be acclaimed.

Going on the road to Foxboro without 3 of your best players and losing by 1 score is ....falling flat on your face?

This is the last time I waste a post on you.

It's not hard to see that the Steelers secondary is horrible. It's an embarrassment that Alex missed a handful of open players downfield bc he got scared.

This team has reached its highest peak with Alex. They had a more talented overall team than the Patriots and Steelers and it can't/won't carry Alex further than the divisional round.

Time to find the new QB

Drops are not an excuse.

The Pats and Redskins were top 10 in drop % this year. The Raiders were #11.

Miraculously, those teams ranked #2, #4 and #13 in passing.

Furthermore, the "drops" excuse has been used in the past for Matt Cassel. The Chiefs led the league in drop % in 2009.

The next season they had the third-fewest dropped passes in football and it resulted in the 30th ranked pass attack and a 30-7 playoff loss.

We've lived these lies.

Over and over and over...

Or you shore up your run defense with a couple of draft picks and expect your #1 receiver to play like one. Oh and Harris drops half as many passes as he does. Reid gives up play calling.

Problem solved.

Incorrect. If the Chiefs "roll" with Shitty Smitty, there will not be a playoff appearance in 2017.

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ROFL
I always liked that part of the opening credits when you used to yell, "the plane! the plane!"

You just defined the 2015 Chiefs.

Still not good enough.

You basically want a perfect football team around a flawed QB. It rarely happens that way.

:facepalm:

A good way to shore up the run defense would be to have an explosive offense that jumps out to a lead, forcing the opponent to pass more than they'd like to...

Do you and Claynus share an apartment or just 69 each other at the end of difficult day?

So let's say we start off with an early lead against Dallas. What's to stop Ezekiel Elliott from running for 6 yards a carry on their possession while keeping our defense on the field for the next 8 minutes?

Cause that's literally what happened when Leveon Bell shoved 171 yards down our throats

Buehler?

Hopefully Jaye Howard and Allen Bailey can help a tad, maybe some ILB improvement, and more than anything some schematic changes in certain situations.

But even with those things, the defense and running game will need to be top 3 units in the league to give us a chance with Smith.

I am too. With a new good QB. Smith isn't that nor is Foles.
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Yeah only because of the first season with Chip Kelly which was a fluke. Look at the rest of his career.

2012: 6 TDs 5 INT
2014: 13 TDs 10 INT
2015: 7 TDs 10 INT

Seems like we'd be going from one problem to the other. Like I said, if we need a new vet QB, roll your dice with Romo with a rookie behind him.

There's honestly no point debating this anymore. Regardless of what you think about Smith, the most likely outcome is that the Chiefs are going to continue to hang on to him as our starter for far too long and will not have a QB ready to take over when he's done here. We'll either sign a journeyman off the scrap heap or trade for another brokedick like Smith. Smith isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

Can't believe people are wanting Foles to play next year. The last thing the team needs is for Foles to play just good enough to be kept around.

Draft a QB and immediately start the process of him taking the job from Alex in 2018.

Andy Reid was outcoached by Mike Tomlin. Tomlin isn't the best X's an O's head coach. Kind of sad.

Smith is Smith. Good enough to manage you to a one and done in the playoffs. If you are happy with that, keep them both. If you aspire for more, then changes need to be made.

but people will do so all offseason.. and why? because they are bored to death and will desperately need to yap with others about something that is hot-button contentious.

So while they will claim to want all of the people that are.. grudgingly accepting of Smith for one more year.. to go away.. they really want them to stay.. or they would be left with very little else to battle over.

So here we will go again. Yet another offseason of the SAME ole shit. :facepalm:
( for those that tune in every day, that is )

Why was Reid outcoached when open WRs all over the field were routinely missed? He cant coach and play QB to.

It's up to Reid to hold Smith accountable. It's up to Reid to hold the WR's and TE's accountable for their drops and penalties, etc. Smith missed a few, but it is hyperbole to act like everyone was open all the time.

What do you mean by accountable? Replace them?

Put any other playoff qb on our team, except for Osweiler, and the chiefs represent the AFC in the Superbowl. It's that simple. Smith is the problem. An ounce of pressure, he ceases to be a qb and becomes a running back. He missed a wide open tyreek hill due to this. Get a capable qb, this is a championship team.

Andy Reid isn't beating Belichick. Did you see the Pats receivers dropping balls on big plays? Taking delay of game penalties? Shoving Steelers and getting 15 yard penalties because they lost their cool? Not being able to stop the run? You think the Pats still have Wilson on the roster after a few years of alligator arming it?

No he wasn't.

Reid's playcalling put open guys all over the field. Smith just didn't hit them.

At worst, it was a draw. But when Tomlin had an ineffective Ben throwing the ball every time he got inside the 20 despite Bell shredding us between the 20s, that's a clear failure by Tomlin. Reid didn't have Bell running for him, all he had was a shitty Steelers secondary to work with and a quarterback that refused to challenge it.

Reid outcoached Tomlin by a fair amount, he simply didn't have the triggerman to do the job.

Maybe...but not by much.

The All-22 is out there if you want to go watch it. Every play wasn't open, but every drive stalled out because of a play that Smith refused to make. Smith left 200 yards and at least 17 points on the field in that game.

Reid wasn't the problem, his quarterback was.

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I don't know what was worse with Alex in that game - his unwillingness to look and go down the field when it was there for the taking, or his inability to stay calm inside a clean pocket. Both ended up being mortal sins in that game.

I ****ing hate Alex Smith, so don't get me wrong. But I'm a realist and I know this franchise and how it has always operated. We're not drafting anyone higher than the 4th round.

I try not to think about that.

Drops certainly play into it. They don't give Smith a pass but Kelce and Wilson played a major part in that loss with their drops. When you have a QB like Smith, you are playing with a small margin of error.

Drops unfortunately are worse for Smith because of the limited shots he does take down the field....and the fact that they make him less comfortable with making throws that other QBs have no problem making.

And that is why so many people were critical even during the very good season we had. It wasn't about not being able to enjoy it. It was about enjoying it and still seeing the issue that was looming in the playoffs against a good team. The concern was that if we didn't play well everywhere on the roster that we were going to have a difficult time winning unless Smith came out of his shell.

Well "playoff Smith" didn't show up. Defensive TD's didn't show up. PIT kicked our ass on kickoffs. Our brilliant bend but don't break strategy not only cost us offensive snaps due to time of possession, but it also didn't give Hill a chance to return many punts. Pit didn't play that well, but they did force Smith to have to make plays.

Exactly.

I was in the lot watching the Packers game at a neighboring tailgate. And when I was watching, I saw maybe 10 minutes of game action and in that time I saw Cook drop three passes.

We went walking inside and watched the final 2 drives from the concourse. Cook had another gack at some point and I turned to my buddy and said "jesus, I've seen maybe 15 plays in this game and I swear Cook has dropped half of them..."

And then he makes the catch that killed off the Cowboys on a beautiful strike from Rodgers.

If Smith's the QB in that game, Tigger is blaming Cook for the drops. But with Rodgers, it's still a W because he's a great QB that kept pushing that rock up the mountain until he got it there.

Smith will push that rock and push and push, but if he stumbles and it rolls downhill, he's not going to get it moving again. He's a fine QB when things are going well but if things go poorly, he isn't a guy that can pull it from the fire.

There's simply not enough margin here. His teammates have to play great for him to win and that's not the case for about 1/3 of the teams in the league. Someday I'd like to be one of those 10 squads.

Presently, we aren't. And I don't think we can expect the team to play great football for 3 straight weeks in January (frankly, with this franchise, I don't think we can expect great football in ANY week in January).

Why do folks continue to bitch about Reids play calling? Yes he's a dumbass sometimes as every coach. He out coached Quinn this year and BB a few years ago. The problem is the QB the same QB who's had like 10 different OC's and sucked with all of them. Quit trying to run a top 10 coach out of town focus on the bottom 15 QB.

The only issue that I've had with Reid over the years is when he abandons the run.

Said coach chose that QB. Said coach also seems to admire the QB. If said coach continues with this QB holding his offense back, then said coach is the problem.

And this year he had cause to get away from it at times.

We just could not get that push up the middle that would allow us to lean on teams and capitalize in the 4th. The only way to find yards was misdirection and outside runs that take as much out of your offense as their defense.

Reid did good work this year. And he damn sure wasn't outcoached by Omar Epps.

This is just as plain as the nose on your face at this point - Smith was needed to get us near the summit and now that we're here, someone else is needed to get us over the hump.

It's not entirely an indictment on Smith - he's been a big part of getting this team back to a competitive position. Now its time to go beyond that.

Agreed but this year was a little different. Smith seemed unwilling to be a dual threat, West is garbage, and Ware wasn't as effective since getting his wig scrambled.

Said coach took over a 2-14 and led them to 4 straight winning seasons. Todd Haley doesn't take the trash Dorsey finds and turns them into good players. Give Reid some credit folks.

He deserves a ton of credit dude, but we've peaked with Alex.

What if Andy stays with Alex and Foles next year?

That's on Andy the GM, not Andy the game day coach. Let's not pretend like Dorsey has say over the QB.

They will make the playoffs again.

Depends on what Denver does in the off season and Carr's health IMO.

He's great at keeping the team competitive. Just like Marvin Lewis. No sense of urgency in the 4th quarter against Pitt. KC needed its timeouts, did they have them at the end?

He doesn't get a free pass because Smith isn't elite. He picked him and refused to have any open competition to push Smith.

Let's think about "Playoff Smith" for a second...

He's had two huge games in the playoffs.

Against defenses that I believe were ranked bottom 5 that season. (Saints, Colts)

Keeping Smith would be a complete fail. Damn city should not buy tickets to watch that loser another season.

Moving on from Smith doesn't have to be immediate. All that needs to happen is we have to make the PLAN to move away from Smith.

Just get the young guy this year. If we roll with Foles, I won't complain. If we roll with Smith, I won't complain. If we even go straight to the rookie I won't complain. But we've got to get the young guy of the future in here and we gotta get him in here now.

I'd rather roll with Foles. He may put up some more INTs....but he'll at least push the ball down the field.

Fans are dumb. The Chiefs will keep Smith, and there will be plenty of fans hoodwinked by the perpetual hype, and the stadium will again be full and primed for another first round playoff loss.

People said the same thing about the Blues, until there were finally too many playoff losses to care anymore.

I think this one probably put a lot of people over the edge. Things will need to change or the fans won't come out in the same numbers as this season (and this season's turnout wasn't always stellar).

More of a product of the team pricing out the fans than results on the field.

When it's perfect weather in September / early October and even the cheap seats are a little over 50% full, that's a sign that tickets are too expensive.

Well that and with technology changing all the time. I would rather be out camping or playing golf listening to game on NFL mobile than at the stadium with drunks...

Stadium is too large for the market size for one. Arrowhead should be around 65k.

The last two postseasons have effectively destroyed the "playoff Smith" moniker.

He's been average at best three playoff games in a row.

Outside of Los Angeles, in which the stadium can be used for numerous events, new stadiums shouldn't seat more than 50k, IMO.

TV's just keep getting better and better, in addition to the fact that teams earn bread crumbs from stadium attendance when compared to TV contracts.

I don't think the Chiefs can trade for a better QB without it hurting somewhere else more than the gain at QB would provide. The Chiefs probably have to run with Alex and keep drafting QBs and hope that one of them turns out to be good enough to take the job away.

I don't want Foles to get the chance to win the job. We've seen this before where the "stop gap" plays well enough to suddenly get another year of the starting job. Foles is on his third team in 4 years, 2 of those teams he lost the starting job. He's not going to amount to anything, and I don't want the Chiefs to get fooled into thinking he might.

Stick with Smith for another year, while his replacement is groomed. It's the best way to guarantee that some other bozo doesn't wiggle his way into the ineptitude that is the QB position for this franchise.

You make a good point, even though its hard to like Alex right now...

I can deal with one more year IF they draft a QBOTF in the first couple rounds. That is the only way that it would be acceptable for Smith to return as the starter.

And maybe while they are at it, they can tell him to throw it when Hill is gone for an open TD or get benched.

everyone but you calls this year "one and done". They played one game and lost. One out of four they won a game, Two out of four they lost their first game, One Out of four they didn't even make it.


What was your point again?

One playoff game appearance, which ended in a loss is considered "One and done".

2013: One playoff appearance and a loss. One and Done.
2015: Two playoff appearances, one loss. NOT One and Done.
2016: One playoff appearance and a loss. One and Done.