Goodell: "You're over weight on your load by 200 lbs. I'm going to have to fine your for that and revoke your license"

Driver" "...but you're standing on the scale".

Goodell: "Pull forward"...

I'd be down with that as long as the up-front money was nil and the contract had an iron-clad escape clause for any personal conduct issues.

Yep. Whether Hill did it or not, Goodell has no ability to punish Hill's mom or wife, so Hill need not take the 5th. He'll just lie.

Problem for the NFL, the Chiefs, and for Hill is he has already been convicted in the court of public opinion. I don't know what goes down here. If Hill wasn't a premier talent, he'd be gone.

Yep he was and I expect Tyreek will be suspended to.


This isn't over and we need to see what the Chiefs will do, it wouldn't surprise me if they cut him.

Bam Morris and Tamarick Vanover. ROFL

The good old days!

The thing I don’t get is, if Tyreek violently broke his sons arm and is covering it up, why did he post a pic with the kid in a cast on social media back when it happened?

Some things just don’t make much sense here and I honestly think it’s a legitimate possibility that the kids broken arm was more of an accident, maybe due to bad parenting, but not necessarily violence.

AP had evidence tho. Tyreek does not. It’s he said she said. You really gonna suspend a player when you yourself don’t have all the facts

"If he won’t talk to the league, he’s guilty. If he talks to the league but he tells a story that isn’t believable or consistent, he’s guilty. If Espinal tries to take the blame but does so in a way that, given her clear financial interest in protecting Hill, seems flimsy or not credible, he’s guilty."

My advice, make changes in your personal life. I mean hire a ****ing nanny if you need too. Then accept whatever punishment the NFL gives you. Then move on. If Hill gives one inch, the NFL and PC gods will crush him.

The 5th amendment doesn't apply in a private setting. He could try to plead the 5th and Goodell could simply suspend him for not complying with the investigation.

Holy shit. Well, you caught me ... I suppose I have to confess now ...

Yeah ... actually, I've been praying every night that somebody would abuse Tyreek's kid.

Wait a minute ... not just his kid ... any random kid. And lots of them. Let 'em all have it. Spiral fractures for everybody under the age of 4!

And just so you know, your magic is fading.

FAX

Of course you think that. You're the biggest homer on this site.

What evidence did the AP case have beyond the kid's injuries and the testimony of someone who said it happened?

I'm 38 years old and somehow I've avoided jury duty my entire life, not through trying but through random happenstance. I just want you to know if I'm ever up to appear on a jury in your impersonating-a-private-investigator case, I will judge you justly. :-)

LMAO

Come on, now. You'd be the only one not surprised if the Chiefs cut him. Lol

At this point even if he does get suspended, he's going to appeal. What will he lose his appeal over? Goodell's opinion on the highlights he's read of the case?

Yeah, I meant to emphasize that earlier.

We don't even know if the pool of suspects goes beyond the two parents. We may be talking about Hill being suspended for something someone else did, not even he or cyrstal.

And I don't say this as a conspiracy theory. We - literally - do not know the specifics. Because they will not tell us (they being the da).

That's why I'm not sure what's going to happen. Maybe what the NFL will discover is that he literally had nothing to do with it.

Or maybe he did. I don't know.

A lot of folks are acting like they do....

AP beat his kids dick with a stick. Did Tyreek reenact Hostel with his kid or something?

The NFL rarely has all the facts and they don't need to.

An appeal will drag on for months. It's a distraction during a potential Super Bowl season.

At this point it doesn't even matter if he wins on appeal or not, it's still a mess.

ROFL

He took a plea in that case. Met the terms and had the entire matter expunged.

Legally, that is. Perception is, of course, another matter entirely.

FAX

I didn’t say I think that’s exactly what happened. I’m saying it’s a possibility that nobody is considering you ****ing idiot.

It’s entirely possible that he did it and it was a violent act also. Forgive me for trying to keep an open mind.

Definitely and Steve Howe did not pursue charges but he sure did convict someone in the court of public opinion.

I just dont believe in that approach, if your convinced take it to a court 50/50 chance you win. For all we know they had nothing seems a cowardly approach.

I certainly don't know what happened. And I'm not presuming innocence or guilt.

My only horse in this race is that the NFL can suspend him for this whether people want to believe that or not. Today's PC has zero bearing on what the NFL will do. They aren't beholden to any criminal precedent.

I didn't watch any of this but just going through the thread did they not just say that they have evidence of a crime but no one to 100% pin it on? How do you take that as it was probably an accident?

It's a pretty simple question. Either Tyreek abused his son or is protecting someone that abused his son. You said you weren't okay with the first option, so I'm wondering if you're okay with the second.

The courts have already litigated this and said the NFL (commissioner) has the ability to suspend any player they believe violated the Personal Conduct policy. That is why Elliott decided not to pursue it further.

Everyone is just assuming that Tyreek Hill is the primary suspect that the DA can't convict.

We don't know.

Could be the wife, could be the childcare person, could be a child accident.

People are assuming it's Tyreek because of a previous crime.

Hill isn't getting suspended. Get over it.

Yep.

He's a moron that's how

Should have been a press release and not a news conference. That release should have just said no charges to be filed and left at that.

That was why I reacted the way I did to her being pregnant again. It was like, holy shit, seriously?

Unfortunately that whole bit about making changes could work for a lot of people in the league.

That's probably how 80% of them viewed him anyway.

Unfortunately.

FAX

Maybe, maybe not. Depending on circumstances, an appeal could impact his ability to play in the post-season.

Elliott had an accuser pointing the finger directly at him in his case while Tyreek isn't even accused in this case....

sounded like the D.A wanted 5 min of fame.

It could’ve happened due to neglect? An accident where he was disciplining his child in a normal way and the kid fought it and it led to the broken arm?

Dude, Kietzman is an idiot. I had to listen to him because of the Royals on 610. He is desperately making a plea for the NFL to suspend him and for the Chiefs to cut him.

And when he does?

Look, I don't WANT Hill to get suspended. At this point, I don't think he SHOULD be suspended.

But if you think there's no chance he will at this point, you simply haven't been paying attention to the NFL.

...and AP missed the rest of the season (15 games) after that occurred

Yep, which is why i said he just wanted his 5 min of fame. He wanted the USA to see his face cause he knew every sports media outlet would put it on their networks.

Something is very wrong with this.

No reason to appeal if he gets games anyway. You can't win. Brady, Peterson and Zeke all lost in court. Appealing to Goodell only works if you have evidence that he doesn't have. In this case everything is sealed. Whatever he gets is final.

So they suspended Elliott based on hearsay. An account that wasn't credible enough to seek criminal charges but credible enough to warrant a suspension.

Think about that for a minute and then think about this case.

The NFL can do whatever they want with Hill. Just like every employer in America. As long as he’s not punished for a constituitional protected right, race/religion etc. they can fire, suspend you as they see fit. Now there is a union agreement in place. That might keep him from doing something unlilateraly.

And as the DA stated in the press conference, we likely NEVER will know either as it is probably going to be sealed to protect the child.

An accident is his kid falling off his bike and breaking his arm.

How is disciplining a child in such a way that a person breaks their arm an accident?

I guess Tyreek gave Keitzman the superstar treatment like Tony Gonzalez did back in the day at the Super Bowl, or how Dyson and Hosmer once tried to get into one of his 810 Zones without paying the cover. Keitzman hates that shit.

Sure seemed like some ax grinding going on. Which in a general sense I'm fine with - a little kid was hurt.

I'm just not sure who they were trying to point a finger at. It seemed kind of...pointless in the end. I'm not sure what the prosecutor was trying to get out of it.

But there is no hearsay in this. It's over. The NFL could suspend, yes. Unlike the Elliot case though, they could very well be suspending Hill for something someone else did. I think the Union would be intervening heavily in this case. If this was just Hill sans the GF then they would have a better case to suspend him.

Of course the 5th doesn't apply in private settings -- that goes without saying. We don't know he pleaded the 5th, and even if did, does Goodell really want to stir the pot by having Hill publicly throw his mom or girlfriend under the bus? That keeps this story in the news!

I have no idea what will happen, but I think it's just as likely the Chiefs cut or trade Hill as it is Goodell gets involved. Goodell's involvement could boomerang for the league -- if the league is convinced he did, do they really come out looking better by handing out a 6-8 game suspension rather than doing nothing? Could be viewed as trivializing the crime. This is uncharted territory here, but I have to believe there have already been massive conversations between the league office, the Chiefs, and Hill.

Kind of how I feel about it too.

staylor going with the "she fell down the stairs" defense, I guess?

And therein lies the entire point.

By the way, there is hearsay here. Somebody tipped of the police and CPS.

Does a presidential pardon have any sway over NFL player punishment?

Asking for a friend.


:)

I’m just saying his intentions might not have been to break the kids arm and he might not have done it violently. There are definitely ways this can happen.

Also, it could be an accident that is due to neglect but apparently you don’t understand what that means or something? I’m pretty sure that could still be considered a crime.

I wasn't referring to this case you dickhead.

And on that note, do you know who broke his arm or how it happened?

I think he was trying to make the point that everyone in that house is a piece of shit that does not have the kid's best interests at heart.

Whether he did it or not, I think we can all assume he knows who did it and the fact that he's unwilling to come forth with that information is enough to suspend him in my book.

What is going to be frustrating is if the NFL with their mind already made up about what happened. They can request all the information they want but they're probably not going to get anything at all. The records will more than likely be sealed and the NFL will more than likely ask Tyreek what happened and a few other people. It will all be hearsay and he said she said.

I'm sure Roger Goodell will then take the steepest penalty possible to try and save face after every blunder the NFL has had with domestic cases. But, we really have no flippin clue where this is going to go.

If you're the Chiefs, you think about Hill's expiring contract, the fact that the league might move him to their exempt list while investigating, the fact that he might face suspension after they finish investigating, the fact that the guy has a history and didn't have the sense to avoid this situation even if he is innocent. Cops are being called to his house often, etc. He is still with this woman and the situation is unchanged. He has a pretty high chance of getting in trouble again. A big contract for him is a bad play.

There's really nothing "Homer" about it. It's legit reasoning IMO. I mean if I did something, like violently break my kids arm, and if I were trying to cover it up, the LAST thing I'd do is post a pic of my kid with a broken arm on social media. :shrug:

Certainly, if he's not willing to talk to them about it, they can suspend him for that.

Let's not forget that Hunt was let go not for fighting but for lying.

Oh I'm tracking you. He'll suspend Hill if he wants to, I just hope the NFLPA can step up and get it removed. Goodell has too much authority and final say, and too little sense to know what to do with it. He's a god awful commissioner, but he's made the owners hundreds of millions of dollars so he isn't going anywhere.

But again in the Zeke case, there was an accuser naming Elliott the entire time. This case is way more cloudy, not that Goodell cares much about that. I guess we'll know in a week or two?

An adult is swatting the child's butt and the kid runs away and goes down the stairs too fast and trips.

discipline + accident = Parent going to jail if they admit to anything, especially with a history of violence.

No way is he getting extended anytime soon and probably never. At best, he plays for essentially free this year, and he gets tagged next, and that's it.

Well there was the fact AP said he did it.

And there were also pics.

So you think suspending people for your "feelings" or "presumptions" is acceptable?

NYET! :rolleyes:

Maybe I'm just in "because Chiefs" mode right now but I think it will be a lot longer than one or two weeks.

And while the NFLPA can fight it, they've not had a great track record of results, including losing a major decision in court. Goodell really has all the power in this case. He can pretty much do whatever he wants.

Exactly what would Hill be suspended over? Brooke and the KC Star wrote a disingenuous hit piece without knowing any facts and published a bunch of nonsense that got a lot of people prejudging Hill. No one knows who the DA thinks is guilty and no one knows if it was just an accident. There is exactly ZERO evidence that Hill did anything wrong.

If the Chiefs already have removed Hill from their future plans, as some reports had said, due to his history and his ongoing legal issues, they'd be looking at having this year left with him, and maybe next year under the tag.

If he's going to be exempt for a while and suspended after that, he may not have many games in a Chiefs uniform left regardless. Cutting him might (save them the issue of tagging him) and PR relief, at the cost of only a handful of games of Tyreek Hill, in their view. And his ongoing legal issues severely diminish his trade value next offseason.

It doesn't matter if it is acceptable.

Goodell absolutely has the power to do it. Period.

This just in Twisted Chief hates Tyreek. Oh wait...

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There still has to be some kind of actual evidence Hill did something wrong. The kid having a broken arm is not by itself evidence. Period.

I've already explained it to you. It's not my fault you can't figure it out.

No, there doesn't.

There's not much the NFLPA can do beyond helping Tyreek file an appeal which Goodell will ignore.

No, there doesn't.

Goodell can place a player on the Commissioner's Reserve list at any time, for any reason, at his SOLE discretion.

Does he have to have evidence to actually have a suspension UPHELD? Most likely. That doesn't mean he can't suspend Tyreek Hill based on supposition. He can and he has.

Where do you people come up with this shit? Name a single case of a player being suspended with no evidence of anything happening?