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DeezNutz 12-31-2012 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9260775)
How many Super Bowls did Cowher win while playing in that same division while Billick was there?

Ridiculous question that everyone knows the answer to. Mine was substantive and legit.

Cowher is a better coach, and trying to ascribe the KC connection as the only reason why people believe this isn't fair or accurate.

Molitoth 12-31-2012 04:14 PM

I think players around the league respect Cowher, and I think he could attract some good Free Agents and assistant coaches.

I wouldn't be opposed to having Cowher, although I'd like to see something fresh with new school ideas like Chip Kelly. This is a new era of Football and X's and O's... this isn't the 80's and 90's style of Defense/running game football anymore.

OnTheWarpath15 12-31-2012 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9260771)
So why are you holding that against Cowher? Who cares how he got the QB, all that matters is that he recognized his need for one, identified the one he wanted and drafted him.

It's not like it was some Belichick/Brady situation.

You honestly think Brian Billick didn't realize he needed a QB?

That team wins multiple championships if they have any semblance of a legit QB.

Again, who was he supposed to draft?

Chad Pennington?

Patrick Ramsey?

Rex Grossman?


Sure, after 13 years, Cowher realized he needed a QB - and what do you know, he was drafting 11th in a great QB class.

How fortunate.

htismaqe 12-31-2012 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9260782)
Cowher is Marty with a ring, but he's won more playoff games (by far) than Billick and had substantially better offenses?

He was a head coach THREE TIMES as long.

ToxSocks 12-31-2012 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DeezNutz (Post 9260782)
Cowher is Marty with a ring, but he's won more playoff games (by far) than Billick and had substantially better offenses?

It's because he lucked his way into the 11th overall pick.

Rams Fan 12-31-2012 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 9260787)
Someone answer why the ravens made the playoffs every year after billick?

Because Flacco is probably the best QB the Ravens have ever had since they've moved to Baltimore?

OnTheWarpath15 12-31-2012 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing (Post 9260781)
mmmkay...but he has a ring.

So unlike Marty, he actually knows how to win in the playoffs.

I don't care if you're married to a system or if you "adapt", i just care about the results, and Cowher has produced.

Produced what?

The same championship Billick produced, but given 7 more years and a HOF QB.

DJ's left nut 12-31-2012 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy (Post 9260770)
I think Reid has adjusted his offensive scheme plenty to fit the talent in Philly.

Whuh?

He's run the same system every year he's been in Philly. He's drafted players to fit the scheme, not vice versa.

He likes his mobile, rollout QBs with a verticle passing game. He likes his jitterbug runningbacks that catch out of the backfield. Andy Reid has a system and he's going to draft players to fit it.

I honestly don't have a huge issue with that, but it is what it is. He's going to get a nice offense installed wherever...provided that he's able to get his head into the game.

I just worry where his mind is going to be right now. I really think he (and his employer, this year or the next) would be better served by him stepping away from the game for a year and getting his mind right. The last few years have to have been brutal on him personally and that's a recipe for coach burnout if ever there was.

BossChief 12-31-2012 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by htismaqe (Post 9260745)
No he didn't. He was smart enough to realize that his best chance to win was in the defensive side of the ball.

silly

A head coach doesnt decide to win with defense when they spend that many assets on offense.

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 9260776)
Shove your eyeroll, ****o. I've loudly supported Cowher and said in this thread that Cowher would be my preference. Reid shouldn't have any job this season. He's going to bring so much baggage with him that he needs a year away to recharge and get back. I think Reid's buried in his own head right now and is going to struggle to get focus back, but otherwise I think he'd be a nice fit.

Beyond that, who would you have taken instead of Boller? Look at the drafts in the 3 seasons or so from 2002 to 2004 when the Ravens would've needed to take one and show me the surefire stud that the Ravens should've grabbed.

Boller was a completely defensible pick at the time that didn't work and got benched after 3 years. I still don't see why this is the rope we're using to hang Brian Billick.

I was agreeing with you...I should have made that clear.

My apologies.

I was rolling my eyes on those that are shitting on Cowher and pimping Billick.

TBH Id rather have Jon Gruden over a guy like Billick.

Not a big fan of either.

mnchiefsguy 12-31-2012 04:17 PM

If we get Reid, I think Reid will be onboard with drafting Geno, and that is a good thing.

DeezNutz 12-31-2012 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by OnTheWarpath58 (Post 9260791)
Sure, after 13 years, Cowher realized he needed a QB - and what do you know, he was drafting 11th in a great QB class.

How fortunate.

90s NFL was a different league, and Cowher showed the ability, even late in his run, to adapt to the changing league.

Billick adapts to being a "defensive coach," yet Cowher is criticized for sustained success? Billick, who was fired, just didn't get as many opportunities? More like didn't earn enough opportunities.

SAUTO 12-31-2012 04:17 PM

Oh God damn...

Now we are saying Billick didn't have a chance at a franchise qb?

Trade up. You have bitched for years that we haven't. Only the last two have been cost controlled.

Double standards
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htismaqe 12-31-2012 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Bo's Pelini (Post 9260787)
Someone answer why the ravens made the playoffs every year after billick?

The Steelers have been to three Super Bowls since Cowher left. :hmmm:

RealSNR 12-31-2012 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefMojo (Post 9260778)
I would be happy with Reid as long as he recognized you have a great runningback to use at your disposal. You don't have to throw it every play... this isn't Philly. Outside of that, he is a very good coach.

I'm not as afraid of retred as others. I would be fine with guys like Reid, Holmgren, Billick, Gruden, etc. Put me in the camp that is scared of unknowns. Unless the incoming new head coach is a highly successful college coach, I get gun shy from coordinators (for sure young) that haven't proven anything yet. Not for a rebuilding job and only if we were already highly successful with a locker room full of quality vets to police themselves.

He's done a good job realizing that in recent years. Westbrook and McCoy are far from the days of Correll Buckhalter

Titty Meat 12-31-2012 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan (Post 9260798)
Because Flacco is probably the best QB the Ravens have ever had since they've moved to Baltimore?

Flaaco was pretty bad his first few years. Pssh its because harbaugh is a better coach. Billick is a mediocre coach. You havent seen teams tearing down doors to get him for a reason.


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