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DJ's left nut 05-07-2025 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by JohnnyHammersticks (Post 18057032)
The key word being "allegedly".

Nice bluff by Veach, because if the Chiefs signed off on Simmons' knee pre-draft - which they obviously did - there was no way in hell we weren't taking Simmons with that pick if he fell that far. Not after the turnstile our LT position was last season, and even with signing Moore.

We weren't going to trade back and blow the amazing sequence of events that had to take place for the Chiefs to have a potential top-of-the-1st-round franchise LT fall into their laps.

At the same time, if you're Philly, is it a bluff you're willing to call?

You have a SB roster -- you don't have a TON of spots open. You also had EIGHT picks in rounds 5 and 6. You don't need that many 3rd day picks.

If all you're doing is giving up one of those 8 picks to just remove the risk of losing your guy, why wouldn't you?

I don't think that's surprising at all and for the Eagles I think it's every bit the no-brainer it was for the Chiefs.

Now the most interesting component is really the flip from 168 to 164. It's possible that being 4 spots higher helped us get that deal done with Pittsburgh for only one additional 7th. We had to use our 'top' 7th rounder to get there; the Carolina 7th. And we didn't have a 6th. So if we're at 168 instead of 164, maybe we have to chip in an additional 7th (which might cost us Brashard Smith) or maybe we can't get it done at all.

And the Eagles took Mondon at 161. Maybe they take Bassa instead with that pick if we can't get just a little more from Howie and are stuck at 168.

Just an interesting demonstration that sometimes every little concession matters.

duncan_idaho 05-07-2025 08:01 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzzy (Post 18057184)
You are mistaken. I said it's good to trade up for a premium position like Tackle or Pass Rusher.


Wide receiver is a premium position in the NFL, genious

RealSNR 05-07-2025 09:04 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzzy (Post 18057184)
You are mistaken. I said it's good to trade up for a premium position like Tackle or Pass Rusher.


Specifically you said you wanted to see the Chiefs do it for Joe Alt. Throwing in a player or two isn’t going to get that job done

fuzzy 05-07-2025 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by duncan_idaho (Post 18057213)
Wide receiver is a premium position in the NFL, genious

I disagree entirely.

Mecca 05-07-2025 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzzy (Post 18057334)
I disagree entirely.

Go look at what they get paid, it's pretty obvious they are.

fuzzy 05-07-2025 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 18057336)
Go look at what they get paid, it's pretty obvious they are.

That's a market inefficiency.

Mecca 05-07-2025 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by fuzzy (Post 18057338)
That's a market inefficiency.

It's really not, top end WR's change the game. It's why it's quickly becoming the highest paid position on offense outside of QB.

Shields68 05-07-2025 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 18057344)
It's really not, top end WR's change the game. It's why it's quickly becoming the highest paid position on offense outside of QB.

I would agree. Justin Jefferson and Ty Hill are able to make an average QB (Darnold/Tua) look way above average. Though they are not a lot of those guys.

Mecca 05-07-2025 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Shields68 (Post 18057350)
I would agree. Justin Jefferson and Ty Hill are able to make an average QB (Darnold/Tua) look way above average. Though they are not a lot of those guys.

You can use us as an example also..

We lose Hill and Kelce declines and our HOF QB doesn't look as good now. Having marginal weapons in today's game creates real issues no matter how good your QB is.

fuzzy 05-07-2025 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca (Post 18057344)
It's really not, top end WR's change the game. It's why it's quickly becoming the highest paid position on offense outside of QB.

Top Tackles change the game more so than top end WRs.

RunKC 05-07-2025 11:09 AM

Sounds like the Chiefs were not alone in their medical evaluation of this kid. Per the report, most teams that this reporter spoke to were not overly concerned with his injury, but more so his character.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Like the draft note about LT Josh Simmons for Kansas City... as we have heard elsewhere it was not as much a matter of the return from injury, but the character concerns. <br><br>I trust Andy Reid to get the best out of him from a mentality perspective, but it would be nice if they… <a href="https://t.co/49NintA02N">pic.twitter.com/49NintA02N</a></p>&mdash; DMac Wake (@DMacWake316) <a href="https://twitter.com/DMacWake316/status/1920162065261736411?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 7, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

duncan_idaho 05-07-2025 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC (Post 18057371)
Sounds like the Chiefs were not alone in their medical evaluation of this kid. Per the report, most teams that this reporter spoke to were not overly concerned with his injury, but more so his character.

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Like the draft note about LT Josh Simmons for Kansas City... as we have heard elsewhere it was not as much a matter of the return from injury, but the character concerns. <br><br>I trust Andy Reid to get the best out of him from a mentality perspective, but it would be nice if they… <a href="https://t.co/49NintA02N">pic.twitter.com/49NintA02N</a></p>— DMac Wake (@DMacWake316) <a href="https://twitter.com/DMacWake316/status/1920162065261736411?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">May 7, 2025</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>


That stuff was out there before the draft. I call some bullshit on it.

He doesn’t like to practice and isn’t passionate about run-blocking? Sounds an awful lot like a lot of good LT. Like Laremy Tunsil.

ThrobProng 05-07-2025 11:23 AM

Is run blocking really "not important" to him, or does he simply like it less than pass blocking? Big difference.

Semichief 05-07-2025 11:31 AM

Whatever bad habits Simmons had in college, they're more likely to improve than to continue. Reid, Heck, and Mahomes won't let him coast in any aspect of his game and let him be a weak link on a title contending team. And with the money he could make as an elite LT, he'll have 100+ million reasons to work hard.

nychief 05-07-2025 11:34 AM

I don't know how a team could not be at least somewhat concerned about a Patella injury, but sure...if they don't like his practice habits... whatever? Seems like teams backfilling, worried the chiefs pulled a fast one, to me.


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