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VAChief 06-01-2014 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10659556)
I'm just going to come out and say it now: Carlos Martinez is Eduardo Sanchez. That's all he's ever going to be.

More like Manny Aybar.

I'm not ready to give up on the guy just yet. He is too young with too much ability. I'm more worried that he breaks down physically than not being able to get major league hitters out consistently on a regular basis.

BigRedChief 06-01-2014 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10663952)
He was perfectly understandable. I love Dominican accents though.

Regarding Fruit Ninja and Wacha: He's striking out more than a batter an inning, carrying a legit ERA in the mid-2's (no real batted ball luck), and keeping his walk rate respectable while still learning a curve.

We got really lucky with him.

Why did he fall all the way down to us? Did MLB feel change up/fastball wasn't enough?
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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10663952)
His arm isn't good enough to play in a COF spot, nor is his bat (he registers as a league average hitter even when avoiding lefties), he's slow as shit, and he's a bad defensive centerfielder. If you can trade him for a legit bench bat that can hit LHP, do it.

Those balls hit in the first inning with a man on second were hit hard and straight at Jay. Not a chance to throw anyone out. I could probably beat his noodle arm.:rolleyes:

'Hamas' Jenkins 06-01-2014 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BigRedChief (Post 10664254)
Why did he fall all the way down to us? Did MLB feel change up/fastball wasn't enough?
Those balls hit in the first inning with a man on second were hit hard and straight at Jay. Not a chance to throw anyone out. I could probably beat his noodle arm.:rolleyes:

He wasn't all that dominant in college. Certainly good, but not a killer. In fact, it was seen as kind of a "meh" draft pick, polished and a quick riser, but a guy that had middle of the rotation upside.

Example:

Scouting reports note that Wacha's fastball sits in the 92-94 mph range, with potential for improvement. Baseball America listed Wacha as the 11th-best pitcher available in the Draft.



Obviously his fastball got a lot better a lot faster than expected.


Here's another article:


http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/po...-michael-wacha

lewdog 06-01-2014 04:24 PM

**** YOU GUYS STARTING TOMORROW!!!




But really....we really suck. Like really suck. More suck than Frazod sucking down multiple hot dogs at the hot dog cart.

Mi_chief_fan 06-02-2014 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins (Post 10664289)
He wasn't all that dominant in college. Certainly good, but not a killer. In fact, it was seen as kind of a "meh" draft pick, polished and a quick riser, but a guy that had middle of the rotation upside.

Example:

Scouting reports note that Wacha's fastball sits in the 92-94 mph range, with potential for improvement. Baseball America listed Wacha as the 11th-best pitcher available in the Draft.



Obviously his fastball got a lot better a lot faster than expected.


Here's another article:


http://espn.go.com/blog/sweetspot/po...-michael-wacha

IIRC, he was a 2 pitch guy, FB above average, but an outstanding change-up; breaking ball has been slow, but he's shown improvement.

BigRedChief 06-02-2014 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by lewdog (Post 10664322)
**** YOU GUYS STARTING TOMORROW!!!




But really....we really suck. Like really suck. More suck than Frazod sucking down multiple hot dogs at the hot dog cart.

Your catching us at a good time. We have lost 5 of the last 7 at home.

Mi_chief_fan 06-02-2014 07:13 PM

Year in, year out, all a pitcher needs to do is be left handed to shut this team down.

Marcellus 06-02-2014 07:48 PM

Mabry and company need fired. This offense is abysmal.

OnTheWarpath15 06-02-2014 07:51 PM

LOL

Being 1-hit by Danny Duffy.

Jewish Rabbi 06-02-2014 07:52 PM

Well, that's the game. Maybe we'll shut 'em out tomorrow.

Mi_chief_fan 06-02-2014 07:55 PM

Ballgame

Marcellus 06-02-2014 07:56 PM

Explain how this team went to the WS last year?

Marcellus 06-02-2014 07:59 PM

****ing Miller is a head case.

George Liquor 06-02-2014 08:03 PM

This team is reeruned.

Mi_chief_fan 06-02-2014 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Marcellus (Post 10666589)
Explain how this team went to the WS last year?

They went through one of these stretches last year, too. They lost like 8 straight or something like that. Despite the manager, the talent is good enough to bounce back.


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