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BWillie 07-11-2014 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Cave Johnson (Post 10741984)
If you're Cleveland, isn't Gasol + Wiggins better than Love?

Probably not.

I'd rather bring in Love, and find a big man who can't score but can defend. Call it a day. Gasol's days are numbered. Wiggins will struggle for at least two years then I expect him to take off.

chiefzilla1501 07-11-2014 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz (Post 10742015)
If Wiggins does play tonight they have to sign him first and then he can't be traded for 30 days. They also risk an injury ruining any trade. I would think if Wiggins plays then he won't be involved in any trade talks.

I've always thought Wiggins had Durant-ish like potential.


What team wouldn't want a Durant/LeBron combo on their team.

I think from a raw skill set, yes. I don't think Wiggins has or ever will have the kind of killer instinct Durant has. But this role as third sidekick is absolutely perfect for him especially with the best facilitator in the game, Lebron. And I like his fit a lot better than Kevin Love. I think the Cavs are going to have a LOT of work to do getting Kyrie and Waiters to play less selfish basketball and within a system, let alone play a balanced game of defense and offense. So I think a guy like Wiggins who will probably be an unselfish system player early on in his career is exactly what they need.

chiefzilla1501 07-11-2014 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 10742020)
Why do people seem to think Dwayne Wade sucks? He's had productive as shit years the last two years. He's banged up, not what he used to be, but he's easily a Top 20 player.

Think it has more to do with having a guy making that much money that has to sit every other game just to keep his legs fresh in the playoffs.

SAUTO 07-11-2014 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 10742028)
Probably not.

I'd rather bring in Love, and find a big man who can't score but can defend. Call it a day. Gasol's days are numbered. Wiggins will struggle for at least two years then I expect him to take off.

And wiggins will just be maturing then, a couple years of him and Lebron at top and then as Lebron ages wiggins takes over and helps get him a couple more rings...perfect scenario.

Simmons should have included that in his genius article.

If they keep wiggins they might already have his successor, with Lebron still in his prime.

He might win six.
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BWillie 07-11-2014 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10742036)
I think from a raw skill set, yes. I don't think Wiggins has or ever will have the kind of killer instinct Durant has. But this role as third sidekick is absolutely perfect for him especially with the best facilitator in the game, Lebron. And I like his fit a lot better than Kevin Love. I think the Cavs are going to have a LOT of work to do getting Kyrie and Waiters to play less selfish basketball and within a system, let alone play a balanced game of defense and offense. So I think a guy like Wiggins who will probably be an unselfish system player early on in his career is exactly what they need.

Maybe he should do more fist pumps? Do the double guns when he makes the and one like Embiid? Tell people he kills lions?? I'm not sure where this stigmata comes from. By all accounts Wiggins was one of, if not the hardest working player on the team, and a great teammate. Just because you aren't flailing your arms around showboating after a dunk all the time doesn't mean you don't care or don't have a killer instinct. I seem to remember Wiggins going ape shit at the end of the game on Florida to almost win the game, a run I've never seen any KU player due in my entire life. Just drilled everything, completely took the game over at the end

KC_Connection 07-11-2014 06:13 PM

I don't think I'd trade Wiggins. Obviously the Cavs won't likely win a championship next year without adding a top player, but I don't think the better chance for one year is worth the risk of giving him (and all his potential) up.

SAUTO 07-11-2014 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10742054)
I don't think I'd trade Wiggins. Obviously the Cavs won't likely win a championship next year without adding a top player, but I don't think the better chance for one year is worth the risk of giving him (and all his potential) up.

I agree. Next season will be their year.hopefully they get everyone else on the same page this year.
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New World Order 07-11-2014 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by KC_Connection (Post 10742054)
I don't think I'd trade Wiggins. Obviously the Cavs won't likely win a championship next year without adding a top player, but I don't think the better chance for one year is worth the risk of giving him (and all his potential) up.



LMAO

How many top players does he need?

BWillie 07-11-2014 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 10742067)
LMAO

How many top players does he need?

Well Jordan needed 2 or 3, so just having Kyrie Irving probably isn't going to do it. And as much as I think Kobe is a ball hogging shit machine at times, he did only need 1 or 2.

chiefzilla1501 07-11-2014 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 10742044)
Maybe he should do more fist pumps? Do the double guns when he makes the and one like Embiid? Tell people he kills lions?? I'm not sure where this stigmata comes from. By all accounts Wiggins was one of, if not the hardest working player on the team, and a great teammate. Just because you aren't flailing your arms around showboating after a dunk all the time doesn't mean you don't care or don't have a killer instinct. I seem to remember Wiggins going ape shit at the end of the game on Florida to almost win the game, a run I've never seen any KU player due in my entire life. Just drilled everything, completely took the game over at the end of the game.

Wiggins in college could take over games any time he wanted to. He hesitates at times, sometimes plays too unselfish. He could develop that part of his game, but I feel like in most instances, you have it or you don't. It won't keep him from being an excellent player one day. At least for now, I don't think you want him to be "the guy" and I think even down the road, you may want to pair him up with a closer.

New World Order 07-11-2014 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by BWillie (Post 10742071)
Well Jordan needed 2 or 3, so just having Kyrie Irving probably isn't going to do it. And as much as I think Kobe is a ball hogging shit machine at times, he did only need 1 or 2.



Who did Jordan have that was a top player other than Pippen?

SAUTO 07-11-2014 06:22 PM

Kukoc was pretty good, rodman was pretty good
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New World Order 07-11-2014 06:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO (Post 10742082)
Kukoc was pretty good, rodman was pretty good
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They weren't top players

And he won multiple titles without either.

BWillie 07-11-2014 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501 (Post 10742072)
Wiggins in college could take over games any time he wanted to. He hesitates at times, sometimes plays too unselfish. He could develop that part of his game, but I feel like in most instances, you have it or you don't. It won't keep him from being an excellent player one day. At least for now, I don't think you want him to be "the guy" and I think even down the road, you may want to pair him up with a closer.

IMO, Wiggins made the wrong college choice from a productivity standpoint. The Bill Self offense is about the worst possible offense Wiggins would be suited to. If he played for UNC or UK he would have averaged 20+ PPG a game. I don't think pairing him up with Lebron is going to be great for his long term development, but it would be good for the Cavs. I'd like to see Wiggins traded and bloom on his own, show everybody that he can be THE ALL STAR, and get people to stop talking about this "he's not an alpha dog" nonsense. I think he should just start telling people he killed grizzly bears in Canada when he was growing up. I think the media would eat that up, gush at his "tenacity" or some dumb shit.

SAUTO 07-11-2014 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by New World Order (Post 10742087)
They weren't top players

And he won multiple titles without either.

Kukoc was generally regarded as the top foreign player. Rodman was a ****ing monster.

And he did. True. No one is mj though.
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