Well, yeah...

We all want Smith to throw down field more and with more accuracy. Its not like we are on different pages here.

That being said he doesn't need to be top 5 in the league in that category to win.

He has thrown the ball 80 more times than Russel and almost 100 more than Kap, and he is doing it in an offense that features the short passing game.

His YPC is never going to be great.

Neither will our offense...

We don't need a great offense. We need a decent one.

Clay you want to move back to 2003 land don't ya?

Wish in one hand and shit in the other...

I understand what point he was trying to make. I am just pointing out that it was a really shitty attempt.

The 2nd half of the Giants game had me thinking there was something to all of the "he needs time in a new system blah blah"... haven't watched much the past couple of weeks, but not sure why it hasn't continued to improve, outside of playing against the Titans' and Texans' top 10 pass defense. Unless the defense is spectacular (which I'm certainly not ruling out), we'll see what he can do when his only option is to be more aggressive.

LMAO

Yeah, at this point I'll happily settle for "made a play", or "converted a third".

I know, I know; I ASK FOR TOO MUCH!

:rolleyes:

NFL Live on ESPN just put up this graphic.

Teams with the most pass attempts of 10 yards or less in order -

1. Lions 233
2.Broncos 229
3.Bengals 226
4.Browns 225
5.Chiefs 221

LMAO yea Clay you gots to chuck it to win in this league.

Another example of your cluelessness.

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221/286 = 77.27%
vs.
229/333 = 68.77%

:hmmm:

Rank of total attempts
1st
2nd
3rd
17th
9th

Without percentages, that stat is pretty meaningless... for the top 3, it just shows the teams that pass a lot also have a lot of attempts under 10 yards. It also shows the Browns and Chiefs attempt more short passes than the other 3.

You know the difference is 3 passes per game right?

Difference between #1 and #5 is 3 pass attempts per game % wise. 3.125 if you want to get picky.

Those 3 attempts per game can mean a lot.

Maybe an extra FG or even TD.

The margins in the NFL are slim.

Not in certain QB's cases. It just means extra FAIL for your enjoyment!

Attempts over 10 yards...

Stafford -- (338 - 223) / 8 = 13.125/game (31%)
Manning -- (333 - 229) / 8 = 13/game (31%)
Dalton -- (332 - 226) / 9 = 11.78/game (32%)
Browns -- ((96+195) - 225) / 8 = 8.25/game (23%)
Smith -- (286 - 221) / 8 = 8.125/game (23%)

5 attempts/game seems fairly significant as far as at least keeping the defense honest... once every two or three drives (it's not often about the extremes).

For attempts over 15 yards he's #38 in the league.

For Yards Per Attempt he's #29 in the league, and that's even with Jamaal Charles getting the 2nd most YAC in the league.

LMAO

Not bad? He lists 7 guys and most of them have 2 or less fumbles. WTF do you mean not bad. He can't even support his assertion, even though the tone of his post was ironic. He couldn't even find an example that worked.

You mean YAC for RBs or for all receivers?

You mean Charles is the 2nd in the NFL among all players at YAC, or just among RBs?

You are expecting that we will throw it even more than we are, to get to 5 we would have to throw it 50 more times over the next 8 games to stay on Stafford's pace. At Smith's current pass attempt rate per game its 3.1.

You think we should pass 40 times a game from here on out?

the interesting thing is that people tried to bring up # of short attempts to defuse this idea about deep passing.

Uh, what?

Everyone in the NFL throws a lot of short passes.

The difference between the best offenses and the rest is the ones who dial up the down field throws more often.

The interesting point is deep passing ability does not correlate to winning unless your defense sucks.

The Seahawks have a great defense.

Russell Wilson is also among the leaders in 20+ yard completions. 14 of 27 on the year. The best deep completion percentage in the NFL. The league leader has 18.

lol wut... a few more per game would be fine.

Not sure I could come up with that kind of conclusion if I was really, really trying to troll... so, congrats, I guess.

All players

It won't let me post links.

http://www.scout.com/2/1035646.html

<table><tbody><tr><td colspan="3" class="storytitle">Cassel Is Kansas City’s General </td> </tr> <tr> <td colspan="3"> <table border="0" cellpadding="2" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td bgcolor="#ffff99">This story originally published on WarpaintIllustrated.com</td></tr></tbody></table> </td> </tr> <tr> <td class="primaryimage" valign="top">http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/89/891179.jpg
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The transformation is complete. As the Chiefs head into the 2010 postseason, Matt Cassel is driving KC’s offense. No one, not even his biggest critic, can call him a liability anymore.
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Let’s be quite honest – a lot of you didn’t believe this was possible. Nine weeks ago against the Buffalo Bills, Cassel was horrible. The Chiefs escaped with a 13-10 victory thanks to their defense and running game. Watching Cassel blow possession after possession that day, I was enraged, and completely justified in calling him The NFL’s Most Dangerous Quarterback. The Chiefs, in first place at the time, were literally in danger of blowing it because their quarterback couldn’t hold up his end of the bargain.

A week later, the Chiefs blew it, losing to the Raiders and eventually relinquishing their hold on first place in the AFC West. Cassel wasn’t terrible, but was hardly the player he needed to be considering the scope of the game. If he couldn’t elevate his game in a midseason battle for first place, how could he possibly do it with the playoffs on the line?

The Chiefs needed a general to lead them into battle. With their running game and defense playing at a comparatively high level, their quarterback, I quipped, was more akin to a little drummer boy, who handed the ball to the real soldiers.

A week later, the little drummer boy looked helpless while the real soldiers were massacred in Denver.

The situation seemed hopeless. The 5-4 Chiefs looked like a bunch of frauds. Labeled as playoff contenders, in reality they were pretenders being led by The Great Pretender. Cassel, it seemed, was the biggest fraud of them all - handpicked to be a franchise quarterback, awarded the salary of a franchise quarterback, constantly lauded by some as “the guy,” but nothing close to what a franchise quarterback should actually be.

It was time for an ultimatum. As dire as the situation appeared, should Cassel deliver the Chiefs to the playoffs, I posed that his mission for 2010 would be considered complete. Privately, I snickered at the very idea. The little drummer boy was going to hold off Philip Rivers? Ha!

Who’s laughing now?

Six weeks and five wins later, the Chiefs are in the playoffs. Cassel, who has taken a flamethrower to both NFL defenses and his biggest critic, is the reason. He has literally transformed himself. He is driving Kansas City’s offense, and the last two weeks are undeniable proof.

It might be easy to dismiss Cassel’s resurgence as a product of Kansas City’s running game. The Chiefs are still the #1 running team and have 362 yards rushing the last two weeks. But statistics can be deceiving. If you asked Charlie Weis, he’d probably tell you the truth – Kansas City’s running game has been terrible the last two weeks, and Cassel is picking up the slack. <table align="right" cellspacing="7" width="220"><tbody><tr><td>http://media.scout.com/media/image/89/891186.jpg
Third and 19? Sling it, Cassel.
Getty Images </td></tr></tbody></table> Against the Rams in Week 15, the Chiefs totaled 51 yards rushing in the first half. But 17 of those yards came via Cassel scrambles. The Chiefs “vaunted” rushing attack produced 34 yards on 13 carries. Thomas Jones and Jamaal Charles? They combined for one rushing first down before halftime.

Despite the running game producing like Larry Johnson was taking the handoffs, and despite two third-down drops from Kansas City’s receivers, the Chiefs led the Rams at halftime, 14-6. The reason: Matt Cassel, and this was a few days after his guts had been ripped out.

The idea that Cassel’s game against the Rams was an NFC-West aided fluke was debunked against the Tennessee Titans last weekend. Once again, the Chiefs’ early running game went in the dumpster, producing 40 yards (17 on one play) on 10 carries through KC’s first three possessions, for a grand total of two rushing first downs.

And the Chiefs led 17-0. Because Cassel was smoking red hot like he’s never been before, completing eight in a row to start the game and 13 of his first 16 passes for 146 yards and two touchdowns, good for a quarterback rating of 144.2, which is pretty close to perfect. And then Cassel decided he wanted to be perfect.

Facing third and 19, Cassel could have dumped the ball off and let KC’s offense punt. That’s exactly what he would have done six weeks ago when the Chiefs blew their lead in the division. Instead, he rifled a ball over the middle of the field to Dwayne Bowe, who caught it in stride for a 75-yard touchdown. It was a perfect pass. And then – ding! - Cassel’s quarterback rating hit 158.3, the perfect rating. The same rating Trent Green posted on an overcast December day when the Chiefs clinched their last division title in 2003.

The Chiefs were ahead 24-0, the most points they’ve scored in a half this year, and the Titans weren’t coming back. It was because of Cassel. Kansas City’s offense would put up 327 total yards before halftime, the third most in team history. The reason? Cassel.

The bottom line: The Chiefs are 5-0 with Matt Cassel since the massacre in Denver. In those five games, KC’s offense is averaging 27.4 points and Cassel is averaging 224 yards passing at a 62 percent clip with 11 touchdowns and one interception (106.5 rating). Stats may be for losers, but the Chiefs are winners. The statistics only reinforce the proof of Cassel’s transformation.

The Chiefs are division champions because of Matt Cassel. They win because of him, not in spite of him. You couldn't say that six weeks ago.

The little drummer boy is dead. It’s time to go to war again, and this time, Kansas City has a general firing 75-yard touchdowns.</td></tr></tbody></table>

the sad thing is Alex will never reach that level

i doubt he ever throws 27 TDs

If Alex gets to pass 40 times a game going forward, and we're down, he's going to get tons of yards. He's also going to get 1 more interception per game.... but I have faith he'll do what he has to do to win whenever he can. Dwayne Bowe better earn his jump balls for the money he's getting paid.

Crazy, that stat. Well, Andy Reid had a good plan.

Alex for the -4 pass to JC for the 20 yard run. Alex is doing what he always has done well -- just stay out of the way of the playmakers.

The fact that you had to explain this to these guys is scary.

Alex Smith is on pace to have as many pass attempts as Peyton did last year.

Peyton threw 37 touchdowns
Alex is on pace for 18

Broncos average 39.5 PPG

Chiefs average 19.6 PPG

ugh

All this thread proves is anyone can cherry pick a stat out of their ass to suit their agenda....goes both ways too.

**** me! Are you saying Alex Smith isn't Peyton Manning?

Are you somehow trying it imply Manning is a better QB?

Holy shit that goes against everything everyone believed. Mind blowing shit right there!

Groundbreaking!

Orgasmic information!

Holy Cow!

Alex needs to hit a few of these open guys he's missing...end of story. Had a couple chances to bury the Browns last week and missed easy TDs. Does he suck...no, but we need better if want to win this thing. This team has a legit S.B. chance if the offense finds a grove and he can get some timing down with the receivers.

You've convinced me. Manning is better.

I dont think anyone is saying this isn't fact. He needs to make a few more plays a game really.

We are going to get into a situation soon where we need them.

Bullshit! 8-0!

Another poster who would rather be 2-14...

No doubt. A shit defense like Denver is going to give him opportunities, but he has to capitalize.

Convert, please.

The tears of Hefmo would be soooo tasty

I pooped three times yesterday. That is above my average of 2.3 ppd(poops per day) but my average ppd is above the nationwide avg of 1.6 ppd. You have to take into account that ppd is affected by diarrhea and constipation also. So the metric is slightly skewed. After my above average ppd Friday I feel just the same as I would on a 1 ppd

What I'm trying to say is that stats are a shitty thing to be upset about when your team is undefeated going into week 9.

ROFL

I feel this necessary. Bump.

They need to invent a new position, Game Manager, because this guy is not a QB.

470-210

God help us in 2 weeks.

Alright, it's bye week & we are 9-0. Alex just had another horrible week.

Ready......






Get set.......






Goooo.................

Cheeks still dry...

roofles

Alex and our entire offense has been shit. Zero execution. However, 9-0 and no where to go but up.

Nick Foles > Alex Smith?

Discuss.

Alex Smith: 9 TD in 9 games

Nick Foles: 7 TD today

Well yeah, but like how many yards did he rush for?

Alex Smith: 9 Wins in 9 games


Nick Foles: I don't know.


/truefans

I wanted Foles. Philly definatley isn't letting him go now.

LMAO:thumb:

Your a funny cat. Royals have All stars all over the field but Alex Smith sucks?

WTF are you talking about? Yes, the Royals have a few all-stars and Alex Smith doesn't suck. He's below average.

Alexis Myth has thrown 0 TD's in 5 of our 9 games. Wow.
,
He's also top 8 in passing attempts this season, but tied for 21st in TD passes. Most of the guys he's thrown more TD's than haven't started or played in 9 games.

My mind can only drift in wonderment at what that must be like as a fan...

well ol sux

Deep completions, 2013:

Case Keenum: 7

Alex Smith: 6

LMAO

Keenum's deep passes have been instrumental in the revival of the Texans season. These last two victorie............ wait he is 0-2 with great players all around him??? I totally dont see your point.

**** Foles. He pulled a Flynn.

They went from 4 losses in a row, including 38-13 to the Rams a week before playing the Chiefs, to losing to two division leaders by a combined 4 points with a rookie QB making his first two starts... yeah, I'd take that kind of potential and his ability to stretch the field in a heartbeat (well, at least his willingness to stretch the field... of course, Andre Johnson has a lot to do with that, too).

Wins, 2013:

Alex Smith: 9

Case Keenum: 0

Too bad we've lost all those games!!

Yep :thumb:

9-0 Herp Derp!/ 2003 Chiefs

QUIT TROLLING/YOU DON'T KNOW SHIT/Dane

Guess we should win every game by 20 instead of 12!