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DJ's left nut 12-04-2023 12:10 PM

Haven't we known that pretty much back to the All Star Break?

Or is this more of a "We are GOING to deal him, if only for a relief arm in High A and some salary relief..." sort of thing? Because I guess that would be a little different.

I do think many people fail to recognize the impact he has defensively. The outfield defense is CLEARLY better when he's out there. By a ton. He's a differencemaker defensively even when he isn't hitting. Even if he's replacement level offensively, he's a 2 WAR player, IMO, because of the defense. He's probably the best defensive LFer in baseball.

I think they're making a mistake just casting that out. But I think they make a LOT of mistakes so that's not really surprising.

BigRedChief 12-04-2023 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ocotillo (Post 17260303)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Mozeliak: Cardinals Listening To Offers On Tyler O&#39;Neill <a href="https://t.co/fzpEckQmWT">https://t.co/fzpEckQmWT</a> <a href="https://t.co/v4jA9L7miX">pic.twitter.com/v4jA9L7miX</a></p>&mdash; MLB Trade Rumors (@mlbtraderumors) <a href="https://twitter.com/mlbtraderumors/status/1731712421830479953?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 4, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

At this point what can they get for him? Sone A ball lottery ticket 3rd basemen?

ChiefsCountry 12-04-2023 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17260312)
Haven't we known that pretty much back to the All Star Break?

Or is this more of a "We are GOING to deal him, if only for a relief arm in High A and some salary relief..." sort of thing? Because I guess that would be a little different.

I do think many people fail to recognize the impact he has defensively. The outfield defense is CLEARLY better when he's out there. By a ton. He's a differencemaker defensively even when he isn't hitting. Even if he's replacement level offensively, he's a 2 WAR player, IMO, because of the defense. He's probably the best defensive LFer in baseball.

I think they're making a mistake just casting that out. But I think they make a LOT of mistakes so that's not really surprising.

I've been pimping for the Royals to trade for him. He can play outfield at Kauffman and give a solid right hand bat even if he is made out of glass vagina

DJ's left nut 12-04-2023 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 17260673)
I've been pimping for the Royals to trade for him. He can play outfield at Kauffman and give a solid right hand bat even if he is made out of glass vagina

80 grade raw power will play even at Kaufman.

Dude doesn't hit wall-scrapers. When he hits 'em, they stay hit. And his defense in that big OF of yours would be nice.

That said, he's a pump and dump candidate for someone. He's going to have depressed counting stats in KC even if he stays healthy. Is that worthwhile for y'all?

I figure any pending FA you trade for is because you think you can rehab his value and flip him for a younger asset as part of the rebuild. How would O'Neill really fit that model?

ChiefsCountry 12-04-2023 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17260676)
80 grade raw power will play even at Kaufman.

Dude doesn't hit wall-scrapers. When he hits 'em, they stay hit. And his defense in that big OF of yours would be nice.

That said, he's a pump and dump candidate for someone. He's going to have depressed counting stats in KC even if he stays healthy. Is that worthwhile for y'all?

I figure any pending FA you trade for is because you think you can rehab his value and flip him for a younger asset as part of the rebuild. How would O'Neill really fit that model?

His defense, potential bat, along with age and salary I think its worth it for the Royals.

ChiefsCountry 12-05-2023 09:09 PM

Old friend alert
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Pirates acquire LHP Marco Gonzales from Braves in trade <a href="https://twitter.com/JeffPassan?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@JeffPassan</a> <a href="https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">@Ken_Rosenthal</a></p>&mdash; Jon Heyman (@JonHeyman) <a href="https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/1732235153257247142?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 6, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

ChiefsCountry 12-06-2023 12:12 PM

DJ - STL media on the O'Neil to Royals rumors now
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Also on the ����front: I believe Ben Fred mentioned this in his chat yesterday, but count the Kansas City Royals among the teams with interest in Tyler O’Neill.</p>&mdash; Jeff Jones (@jmjones) <a href="https://twitter.com/jmjones/status/1732457995403960343?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 6, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

DJ's left nut 12-06-2023 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry (Post 17263652)
DJ - STL media on the O'Neil to Royals rumors now
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Also on the ����front: I believe Ben Fred mentioned this in his chat yesterday, but count the Kansas City Royals among the teams with interest in Tyler O’Neill.</p>&mdash; Jeff Jones (@jmjones) <a href="https://twitter.com/jmjones/status/1732457995403960343?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 6, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

I never can tell with y'all - do you guys hate Scott Barlow at the moment? Or are you friends again? Or did you already trade him?

Mozeliak is looking for a reliever and we already have guys that can put up a 6 ERA. Who you got?

ChiefsCountry 12-06-2023 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17263683)
I never can tell with y'all - do you guys hate Scott Barlow at the moment? Or are you friends again? Or did you already trade him?

Mozeliak is looking for a reliever and we already have guys that can put up a 6 ERA. Who you got?

Barlow is gone, traded him to San Diego. The Fathers just traded him to Cleveland.

Ocotillo 12-06-2023 12:38 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Oli Marmol had best start 20-5 next season. <a href="https://t.co/wYpERMJt7l">https://t.co/wYpERMJt7l</a></p>&mdash; Craig Calcaterra (@craigcalcaterra) <a href="https://twitter.com/craigcalcaterra/status/1732468003675992560?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 6, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

raybec 4 12-06-2023 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ocotillo (Post 17263728)
<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Oli Marmol had best start 20-5 next season. <a href="https://t.co/wYpERMJt7l">https://t.co/wYpERMJt7l</a></p>&mdash; Craig Calcaterra (@craigcalcaterra) <a href="https://twitter.com/craigcalcaterra/status/1732468003675992560?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 6, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

This is one of the most transparent attempts to garner undeserved fan support I've ever seen.

BigRedChief 12-06-2023 01:23 PM

<blockquote class="twitter-tweet"><p lang="en" dir="ltr">Nice. <a href="https://twitter.com/hashtag/STLCards?src=hash&amp;ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">#STLCards</a> <a href="https://t.co/Z1P5jLmN77">pic.twitter.com/Z1P5jLmN77</a></p>&mdash; Jim Hayes (@TheCatOnBallyTV) <a href="https://twitter.com/TheCatOnBallyTV/status/1732480357008597057?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw">December 6, 2023</a></blockquote> <script async src="https://platform.twitter.com/widgets.js" charset="utf-8"></script>

George Liquor 12-06-2023 01:27 PM

Muh nostalgia

These guys are pathetic

DJ's left nut 12-06-2023 02:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by raybec 4 (Post 17263758)
This is one of the most transparent attempts to garner undeserved fan support I've ever seen.

I'm sure it's not a no-show gig designed to stoke fan goodwill.

This team is clearly above such shenanigans.

raybec 4 12-06-2023 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut (Post 17263871)
I'm sure it's not a no-show gig designed to stoke fan goodwill.

This team is clearly above such shenanigans.

https://y.yarn.co/3b38bf17-8d99-4e8a...1415c_text.gif


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